Vox and immigration: does voting actually stop arrivals in Spain?

A forum user argues that voting for Vox does not curb immigration, citing the Japanese party that promised a tough crackdown; others defend voting for it as the lesser evil.

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Vox and immigration: does voting actually stop arrivals in Spain?
Vox and immigration: the vote that doesn't close the border

There are more Nigerians in Tokyo than in Nigeria. The phrase, deliberately exaggerated, sums up the argument that opens the discussion: if the party that promised a tough crackdown in Japan has been in power for fifteen years and arrivals keep growing, why would it work any differently in Spain? The starting point is an uncomfortable thesis for the Vox voter: the system puts the parties there and then you ask the system to remove them. The wolf guarding the sheep.

The conversation begins with that distrust and quickly drifts toward the point that comes up most often: immigration is not decided in Madrid alone. Some argue that open-door policies respond to directives cooked up outside Europe, and that no national government has any real room to reverse the flow. Against that, the most repeated argument is the lesser-evil one: Vox is the only party that at least verbalizes the problem.

What Vox has done where it already governs

The underlying problem is empirical. Vox has never governed Spain, and its reference parties abroad haven't delivered the promised results either. The Italian case is cited as a spoiler: Meloni has been in power for a while and arrivals haven't collapsed. The Japanese case is used as a laboratory test: the party that promised to curb immigration has been in office for over a decade and the foreign presence in Tokyo has kept growing, while those who want to enter legally face ever more obstacles.

The conclusion drawn from these two examples is always the same: restrictive rhetoric is applied forcefully to those who trinc the rules and loosely to those who don't. Cameras on the street and surveillance end up falling on the ordinary citizen, not on the flows they promised to contain. It's the part of the argument that gets rebutted least and makes people most uncomfortable.

The lesser-evil argument and its cracks

The strongest defense of Vox in this discussion is not that it will solve immigration, but that it is the only party willing to name it. The argument goes that the PP has endorsed the same migration policies and that only Vox's pressure forces it to harden its rhetoric. Seen through that lens, voting for Vox isn't believing in a miracle: it's shifting the window of what can be said.

The objection comes from the economic flank. It is argued that Vox puts the interests of financial oligarchies above those of workers, that it has opposed rises in the SMI (Spain's minimum wage), the IMV (a minimum income benefit) and pensions, and that in an eviction it sides with the investment fund. The response is that almost any major party has lobbies, and that the PP and the PNV are the ones that concentrate the purely business-oriented ones. Neither side gives ground.

The fact nobody disputes: immigration isn't just about small boats

Here comes the nuance that breaks the mental frame of much of the electorate. It is argued that Vox is not anti-immigration across the board, but opposed to a specific profile of immigrant, and that most foreigners in Spain don't arrive in pateras (migrant boats) but by plane, on a tourist visa. If that's true, the campaign headline and the real statistics are on different paths.

On top of that comes the debate over cost. Part of the discussion claims that a large share of this population doesn't work and lives off benefits; the reply is that farming, construction, livestock and fishing depend on foreign labor and would not survive without it. Neither claim is backed by hard figures in this conversation, and that's where the exchange ends.

Abstention as the only way out

The original thesis is less about not voting for Vox than about not voting at all. The system puts them there and you ask the system to remove them: the only alternative, it is said, is to turn your back. The most common response is that abstention doesn't take away a single seat, and that staying home hands the seat to whoever does show up.

The sharpest counterargument is that people need to believe their vote counts, and when they find out it doesn't, they fall back into the same cycle with a new party promising what the previous one failed to deliver. The discussion remains open. And the fact that throws everything off is this: the party that promised to close the border has been governing for fifteen years in the country where it supposedly would have already closed it.

Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication. Read the full discussion (264 replies).

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