Saving as a Bad Investment: Living Today or Saving for Old Age
An accumulated real inflation of 130% since 2000 compared to the 50% recorded by official indices: this is the calculation put forward by one of the participants. This gap supports an uncomfortable thesis: if money depreciates more than statistics show, saving stops being prudent and becomes a slow loss. A discussion mixing arithmetic, sarracena, and biography revolves around this discrepancy: does accumulating make any sense when life is, in the words of Quevedo himself cited in the exchange, a brief event?
Inflation That Doesn't Add Up with Your Grocery Bill
The underlying argument is not philosophical, but arithmetic. With a depreciation that, according to this calculation, would accumulate 130% since 2000 —more than double the official figure— a poorly remunerated term deposit loses purchasing power every year. Those who leave their money sitting in the bank are not saving it: they are paying for its custody.
From there, the question arises that drags everything else along. If traditional savings don't even cover inflation, what are you supposed to do with what's left at the end of the month? The answer gaining traction is to move it to assets that at least keep pace with that erosion, whether it's stocks, funds, or property. The problem is that this stops being saving and becomes something else, with different risks.
Saving for Saving's Sake: The Richest Person in the Cemetery
Some take the criticism to the extreme and argue that doing so without a purpose is directly a miscalculation, both economically and vitally. The most common description: old people who spend their lives accumulating vouchers for a better quality of life that expire before they can redeem them. The image of the richest person in the cemetery summarizes the reproach.
The anecdote cited to support this is that of Ramann Shukla, a compulsive shopper from Nottingham who filled his house with objects for 20 years and died without opening them; among the clutter, pieces valued at up to 5 million dollars were found. The sarracena drawn: accumulating does not equal enjoying, and doing so without a plan, even less so.
The Counterargument: A Cushion to Sleep Soundly
Against this line of reasoning, the defense of saving appeals not to an ideal future, but to the immediate present. "I save to sleep soundly," summarizes the most common stance: having more money in the bank than outstanding mortgage debt is the goal, not a golden retirement. A cushion allows you to reject the first bad job and survive a layoff without your life falling apart.
The other pillar is saving with a purpose. The recurring recipe: tighten your belt for five or seven years to reach 30,000 euros and have the leeway to reduce working hours, change cities, or cope with an unforeseen event. It's not ultimate freedom, but it's an option. And those who don't have it end up accepting whatever comes their way.
Mortgage of 800 Euros vs. Rent of 1,200
Housing serves as a testing ground for both theses. A rent of 1,200 euros versus a mortgage of 800 is the comparison thrown out time and again against the discourse of enjoying renting. The counterpoint: the capital gain on a flat is eaten up by the next one if you ever have to move, and while you pay off the loan, you don't enjoy the house, you just sleep in it.
As one of the messages summarizes, 30 years ago a salary could buy a flat in ten years; today, two salaries and 30 years of payments are needed. The change in proportion, rather than the specific price, is the real data supporting the distrust.
Contributing Until 65.3 Years Old and Living Until 82.2
The numbers for old age close the circle. An average retirement age of 65.3 years, a life expectancy of 82.2, and an average pension of 1,386 euros paint a picture of 17 long years dependent on a payment that the system does not guarantee. Those with their own money face this period with a buffer; those without, with the state's calculator.
The most optimistic calculation, put forward by a participant, assumes that investing 100,000 euros yields 5% annually, about 5,000 euros a year, enough to cover bad months without touching the principal. The pessimistic scenario recalls that this return is not guaranteed and that a period of high inflation can wipe it out entirely.
The Clock No Bank Will Replace
The final twist is about time. Money buys time —working less, choosing better— but time cannot be bought back with money. The recurring provocation: Amancio Ortega would give his entire fortune to be 30 years old again, and Biden, at his age and in his position, doesn't exactly seem like an advertisement for a comfortable old age. Accumulating would make sense if one were immortal; no one is, and very few keep this in mind when planning 40 years ahead.
With these factors, the gap is unlikely to close. Inflation will continue to erode deposits, and the arguments for saving will continue to gain ground on paper while the present demands spending. If the discrepancy between the official CPI and what is experienced in the grocery basket persists, it can be expected that more people will abandon deposits and jump into riskier assets. Whether that turns out well or badly, no one is signing up for today.
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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