*Tema mítico* : Primarias Republicanas 2012 (EEUU)

ya hemos ganado.

Ron Paul has already won | Washington Times Communities

Ron Paul has already won

WEST CHESTER, Pa., May 22, 2012 — The mainstream media continue to discount Ron Paul as a factor in the race for the Republican nomination, even though he and his supporters could become serious contenders when the convention meets in August. Paul continues to rack up delegates in such states as Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri and Colorado.

Strangely, in spite of the success of Paul’s strategy in accumulating delegates, many pundits insist that Paul remains a nonfactor. These same pundits continue to claim that electorally Ron Paul cannot win the Republican nomination, and while the media miss the mark by discounting Paul as a contender, they miss the truly “big story” of the 2012 election. That is, that Ron Paul, mobilizing both young and old with his message of liberty tempered by personal responsibility, and government power tempered by accountability, has already won far more than the election. He has won the trust and the imagination of the people, Rocky Balboa-style.

Consider the issue of the Federal Reserve, where Dr. Paul has been an outspoken critic of the Fed’s policies for years. When Paul proposed a bill to audit the Federal Reserve in 1983, he had not a single Republican or Democrat who was willing to co-sponsor the measure. When he reintroduced it in 2011, every Republican and several Democrats in the House signed onto Paul’s bill.

Almost every Republican candidate vying for the nomination this year supported a full independent audit of the Federal Reserve, and many demanded that Chairman Bernanke be fired. Texas Governor Rick Perry, when asked about future quantitative easing by the Fed, went further than most Republicans when he said, "If this guy prints more money between now and the election, I dunno what y'all would do to him in Iowa but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas. Printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost treacherous – or treasonous in my opinion." Paul’s views on the Federal Reserve are no longer outside the mainstream. According to a survey published by Bloomberg in 2010, most Americans believe that the Fed should be severely reigned in or altogether abolished. These numbers are probably higher in 2012 considering that Fed policies have not pulled us out recession.

Some Republicans like Ron Paul’s ideas when it comes to issues that are economic, but most haven’t completely embraced his views on foreign policy. Despite GOP objections, most of the American people and American troops agree that it is time for the United States to stop policing the world and engaging in nation building missions. Several polls have shown that more than half of the American people agree that it is time for the United States to withdraw from Afghanistan. Further, according to a poll conducted by CBS, one in three U.S. veterans of the post-9/11 conflicts believe that America’s presence overseas and the wars America is currently fighting are no longer worth the cost. This probably explains why Paul receives more campaign contributions from members of our military than Obama or Romney.

Republicans are beginning to slowly come around to Paul’s view of foreign policy. This was evident when many conservatives stood with the Congressman in opposing the Libyan conflict overseas. In a recent speech, Florida Senator Marco Rubio talked about the growing divide in the Republican Party between interventionists and non-interventionists. He went on to say: “Until very recently, the general perception was that American Conservatism believed in a robust and muscular foreign policy … But when I arrived in the Senate last year I found that some of the traditional sides in the foreign policy debate had shifted. On the one hand, I found liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans working together to advocate our withdrawal from Afghanistan, and staying out of Libya. On the other hand I found myself partnering with Democrats … on a more forceful foreign policy … I recently joked that today, in the US Senate, on foreign policy, if you go far enough to the right, you wind up on the left.”

Paul’s adherence to Austrian economics is also meeting with greater acceptance in mainstream America. This theory of economics, once unknown and obscure, is now beginning to receive interest and respect. In fact, Austrian economist F.A. Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom” was recently on the bestsellers list. Likewise, we now hear stories of Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann reading Ludwig Von Mises’ “Human Action” on the beach and young people all across the nation reading the writings of authors who adhere to the Austrian school, such as Murray Rothbard, F.A. Hayek, Thomas E. Woods, Charles Goyette, and many others.

Every day, more people are coming around to Ron Paul’s way of thinking. Paul’s message continues to attract and inspire many young people, challenging them to question their government and to change the status quo. These leaders of tomorrow will take the ideas that Paul espouses and inject them into their respective professions, be they academia, politics, business, law, health, or other. This timeline will ensure that Paul’s ideals will continue to enter into the mainstream long after Paul’s campaign for the presidency ends. Ron Paul may or may not win the Republican nomination, but he has won the battle of ideas. Many are moving in Paul’s direction, and that is a victory larger than winning the Republican nomination.


A parte de esto, estoy viendo muchos hilos que dan cuenta de las deserciones en filas de romney y de obama, y es que ron paul esta haciendo mucho daño en las elecciones de delegados.

Yo lo veo asi, los paulis han alcanzado una masa critica, estan organizados y tienen fe. Aqui suena a coña, pero muchos de los que se meten a delegados lo que quieren es lo mejor para su pais, y eso es lo que eligen los caucus, personas que escogeran lo mejor para su pais, y en esas convenciones RNC a muchos se les abren los ojos, abandonas a romney y se suman a las filas de la libertad.
 
De este blog http://pcweb.info/primarias-partido-republicano-2012/#more-4042 he sacado estos datos:

Numero de delegados consolidados al 17 de mayo 2012:
Mitt Romney 888
Rick Santorum 243
Newt Gingrich 135
Ron Paul 102.

¿Qué os parece?

Una fruta cosa pinchada en un palo me parece :roto2:

Si sólo en Minesota tiene 32 delegados o así..

Recuento real:

Romney 496
Ron Paul 186
Santorum 146
Gingrich 66
Por decidir en convenciones estatales: 1392

Las cifras de la web que has puesto tienen que estar mal por narices. Como va a tener Gingrich 135 delegados, si sólo gano en South Carolina y Georgia, y en el resto ya se había retirado cuando empezó la tanda de convenciones de condado y estatales? Es imposible que haya ganado delegados en esos caucus. Con Santorum otro tanto, ganó unos cuantos estados con primarias antes de retirarse, pero en muchos caucus cuando se ha hecho la asignación real, ya estaba fuera.

The Real 2012 Delegate Count for the Republican Primaries & Caucuses
 
A Reporter Gets It*|*Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign CommitteeRon Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee

Tal como dice el artículo aunque Ron Paul no va a hacer campaña en los 11 estados que quedan (porque no tiene dinero para hacerlo) va a seguir con su política de conseguir el máximo de delegados incluso aunque sea gente que tiene que votar por Romney. Ya que después de ahí saldrán los futuros cuadros del partido republicano.

En resumen, lo que está haciendo es tomar el partido republicano desde dentro y convertirlo en más libertario mediante la toma de los puestos de dirección por gente acorde con las ideas de Ron Paul.

Parece que también ganó en Minnesota la mayoría de los delegados.
Ron Paul Decisively Wins Minnesota and Carries Delegates in Multiple Other States | Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign CommitteeRon Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign Committee
 
Última edición:
Aunque este tomando el partido republicano desde dentro, lo que realmente importa en términos inmediatos es si se enfrentará a Obama en noviembre.

Seria un milagro OBAMA vs RON PAUL. La estrategia de Ron Paul dará sus frutos en las próximas presidenciales, aunque quizás ya será tarde para "salvar al mundo"...
 
Antena3 ha dicho esta tarde que Mitt Romney es el candidato a batirse contra Obama.

Seguro?

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Lo ha dicho toda la prensa pero creo que están vendiendo la piel del oso antes de cazarlo... pero claro proclamandolo así le están dando más alas a Romney para conseguir gratis los últimos delegados.
 
Deberíamos escribir a la prensa española para que vean este video y rectifiquen. por email.
 
Deberíamos escribir a la prensa española para que vean este video y rectifiquen. por email.

Eso es una pérdida de tiempo inutil, la prensa española en este tema es una simple bocera de los mass media EEUU.

No tenemos nada que hacer, no van a rectificar por muchos emails que enviemos. Para la prensa y TV española las primarias republicanas es un tema de relleno que le dan 40 segundos máximo.

Lo que importa es lo que pase en EEUU con este tema y si el equipo de Ron Paul puede hacer alguna cosa mas allá que decir las verdades por internet.
 
Police Assault Ron Paul Delegate at LAGOP Convention - YouTube

El video es brutal.......... cuando expulsan al partidario de Ron Paul eligen a otro y todos se dan la vuelta para seguir la convención atendiendo al otro lado de la sala dandole la espalda a los jefes del partido.
 
Primer artículo serio que le leo a Faux News sobre el movimiento que hay detrás de Ron Paul, perspectivas para el futuro, qué busca RP en Tampa, etc.


Why the GOP can't afford to ignore Ron Paul and his many fans

Ron Paul has stopped actively campaigning in forthcoming primary contests, and after Texas everyone agrees that Romney has the nomination effectively locked up. But Ron Paul’s people are still striving to rack up as many delegates as he can at state Republican Party conventions before the Tampa .

He’s continued to do it too—even after his May announcement that many in media spun as “Paul drops out,” the Texas Congressman cleanly won control of his second state delegation at Minnesota’s state convention.
This past weekend in a chaotic and divided state GOP convention in Louisiana, in which two Paul activists were injured by police, it appears likely that he controls the delegation in that state too. (Since the convention literally split in two, the national party will have to eventually decide between two competing delegations, but the Paulite convention had the majority.)

Paul also previously won Maine, and has strong hope of coming out of the state convention later this month in Iowa controlling their delegation as well.

Still, Paul’s campaign admits they know Romney will win the Republican Party's presidential nomination. This has led many to wonder exactly what Paul’s trying to accomplish at the August GOP convention in Tampa. Prominent speaking slot? Platform influence? Sway over the vice presidential slot?
But what the GOP establishment needs to wonder is: what do his supporters want, and why?

Paul himself will likely not be a political player past 2013, when he leaves the House seat he’s held since 1997. But his supporters skew so young, they’ll be shaping the Party’s future far longer than Romney’s fans will.
Paul can attract over 7,000 students to come hear him speak, a level of enthusiasm no other GOP figure can muster. He’s now got 110,000 signed-up members for his “Youth for Ron Paul” group.

Why are they so passionate about this unlikely political champion? And why is their energy so hard to contain even by Paul’s own campaign, who talk of their desire for more “decorum” on the part of their often rowdy and contentious supporters?

Most politicians sell comfort—that American is the greatest, rich and mighty and right, and what small problems we have can be solved by electing our guy and getting rid of the other guy. Ron Paul wins passionate devotion selling a vision of great discomfort.

He tells us American foreign policy is misguided and understandably earns us enemies. He sees America not on the rise, but in decline because of Federal Reserve-primed booms and busts and a crushing debt burden.
He decries the American government for not protecting our liberties but rather unjustly oppressing its citizens over everything from medical marijuana to raw milk.

Unfortunately for Paul’s fans, the radical solutions the Paul worldview demands—an end to overseas military adventurism, ending government’s ability to manipulate paper currency, severe cuts in spending on all the myriad income-shifting promises Washington makes -- don’t register as “practical solutions” to those who helped create the crises those policies have led us to. And that’s both the Democrats and Paul’s own Republican Party.

Even though Paul’s budget plan, with its three-year glide path to a balanced budget with no tax hikes, was found by U.S. Budget Watch, a non-partisan research group, to be the only budget plan offered by GOP candidates this year that would not balloon the national debt, the Republican Party is scared of him. Even though his supporters continue to win control of delegations (Maine, Minnesota, and Louisiana) or state party structures (in Iowa and Nevada), the Party doesn’t want to embrace him.
Because if Ron Paul is right about the dangers of government overextension both at home and abroad, it means the GOP has to actually be serious about this limited government, living-within-our-means stuff that is supposed to be the very marrow of conservatism.

If they have to swallow some sour apples about returning the U.S. military to its original goal of just actually defending the U.S. and make the government respect citizens’ civil liberties, that should be a small price to pay to attract the loyalty, votes and money of a rising generation of activists.

Paul’s people have given money and rallied in amounts and numbers far exceeding such other GOP hopefuls as Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. Paul’s fans gave nearly as much money to his campaign as those other two candidates combined.

The Goldwater movement in 1960 was seen as too young, too radical and too outside the mainstream by the GOP establishment of its day.
The religious right during the 1988 Pat Robertson campaign was seen as an overly loud and pushy minority.

But just as those minorities grew and dominated the GOP, the libertarian-leaning energy of the Ron Paul movement is primed to shape the future of the Republican Party. With their unique seriousness about reining in a government drowning in debt, neither the Republican Party nor the country can afford to ignore the concerns of Paul’s devotees.

Brian Doherty is a senior editor of Reason magazine and author of the new book "Ron Paul’s Revolution: The Man and the Movement He Inspired" (HarperCollins/Broadside).


Read more: Why the GOP can't afford to ignore Ron Paul and his many fans | Fox News


Vale, firma el artículo un tío de Reason.. xD all makes sense now ;)
 
Ayer noche en el debate de Una mirada a El Mundo un sms por pantalla:

"Por el bién de españa y de Europa, deseo que a los americanos no se les ocurra votar a Romney"

Quien fué?:D
 
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