Debate: Is the West Copying China While Blaming Russia?

The West Copies China While Pointing at Russia

In October 2022, the Chinese government announced that its citizens would not receive the Pfizer vaccine. According to claims made during the debate, shortly before this announcement, Fosun Pharma — BioNTech’s partner in Asia and, until that year, a majority shareholder of the German company — had participated in the initial validation trials of the serum. This data, highlighted in the discussion, fuels a thesis running through the entire exchange: that European democracies have adopted health and financial control methods they attribute to Moscow and Beijing, while simultaneously pointing fingers at their geopolitical rivals.

The conversation begins with an unnuanced accusation: that the Chinese Communist Party operates as a incivil structure and that the West enthusiastically opens its doors to it. From there, the focus shifts. The debate is less about what China does and more about what Europe is doing with the Chinese playbook in hand.

The ELbichito Passport and Digital Euro as Mirrors

The most repeated argument is one of symmetry. If China implements a social credit system, Europe designs a digital passport linked to vaccination. If mobility is restricted there based on health status, access to venues and transport is conditioned here by certificate. The uncomfortable conclusion drawn is that there are not two opposing models, but one model under different flags.

Within this framework, there is mention of recognition attributed to Christine Lagarde, in front of an interlocutor impersonating Zelensky, that control would be associated with the digital euro. This episode is used as evidence that the eurozone's financial architecture is moving toward total traceability of spending. This is not a marginal reading; it permeates much of the interventions.

Who is Betraying the West?

The question posed in the title is answered in reverse to expectations. For one group of participants, the traitors are Western governments that sign deals in Davos, indebted the population, and dismantle industry while blaming Moscow. For another, the traitors are those who, from within, legitimize the Chinese model and ridicule those who denounce it.

The exchange becomes heated when it is mentioned that British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s family had business interests linked to the implementation of China’s social credit system. This claim is launched without providing documentation in the material and is used to close ranks: if Western elites participate in the system, the rivalry with Beijing is pure theater.

The Vaccine, the Bat, and the Origin of the Narrative

The trail of the vaccine runs through the exchange from start to finish. It is argued that Pfizer and Moderna’s mRNA and nanoparticles are manufactured in China, that the first validation study was conducted there, and that it was executed by People's Liberation Army personnel via Fosun Pharma. The sequence concludes with China’s October 2022 announcement: citizens would not inject themselves with the Pfizer serum.

The interpretation derived is twofold. On one hand, that the West inoculated itself with a product whose main manufacturer refused to apply it to its own population. On the other, that the bat-and-Wuhan-lab narrative served to cover up domestic regulatory embarrassments. Some recall that masks were already ready before lockdown was decreed, and that early televised appearances praised national fiber optics as a great achievement of the crisis.

Agenda 2030 and Crickets as Exports

The menu of grievances expands: insects as food, subsidized electric cars, mass surveillance in London — claimed to have more cameras than Chinese territory — and corporate ideology in schools. All of this is presented as an import, not as an indigenous drift. The repeated conclusion is that the West is not being conquered, but is selling itself out.

Against this thesis, another current holds the opposite view: that what is implemented here is diametrically opposed to the Chinese model and, beneath the democratic surface, more effective in its control. Chinese productivity, it is argued, has not stalled while Europe tangled itself in restrictions. The disorienting fact is that both readings use the same event — the expansion of control — to accuse the opposing side.

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The conversation does not reach an agreement on who is copying whom. What remains clear is that the label of 'traitor' changes hands depending on who pronounces it, and that the model said to be fought against is already installed in payrolls, certificates, and debt.