Half a million invested and the doubt of quitting work at 40
Investing half a million euros is not enough to stop working in Spain, according to the "most conservative" calculation launched by one participant in the thread, who directly demands double that amount, tax-free. The statement is blunt. However, the arithmetic of the specific case nuances this: applying a 4% annual withdrawal —€20,000 gross in the first year, adjusted for inflation thereafter—the capital would last four decades without eroding the principal, according to the simulation used by the protagonist.
The protagonist is around 40 years old, is not a civil servant, does not own a home, and has eliminated all expensive vices. Just over a year ago, he was considering retiring with €350,000; he continued contributing during the pandemic, let compound interest do its part, and today exceeds €500,000. His global ETF accumulates nearly +30% year-on-year. The question remains the same: would he keep rowing?
How long does a €500,000 portfolio last with 4% withdrawals?
Forty years, according to the Monte Carlo-type simulation used by the protagonist: 4% regime in the first year and subsequent adjustments for inflation, with no drops below the initial capital in any of the contemplated scenarios. The nuance lies in purchasing power. In four decades, €500,000 will not buy what it buys today, and no simulation returns the lost purchasing power along the way.
Extreme spending levels are what disorient. According to the calculation proposed by another forum user, with €400 monthly the same capital would last about 100 years; with €4,000 per month, about 10. Same money, two lives with nothing in common. The variable is not wealth, but the monthly bill one decides to sign.
Dividends or selling 4% of the portfolio each year?
Here appears the first fracture. One participant defends building a diversified portfolio of high-dividend Spanish, European, and US companies: with an average of 5%, that yields €25,000 gross annually, about €19,800 net, or €1,650 per month. The advantage cited is twofold: dividends grow over the years and compensate for inflation, and living off them leaves the principal untouched. Solid dividend-paying companies, he adds, rarely suspend payments.
Another path, pointed out in the same thread, highlights US REITs, with products distributing around 7% annually. On €370,000, that is about €2,200 per month before taxes. The argument against the 4% withdrawal is psychological, not mathematical: being forced to sell 4% of the portfolio after a 50% crash is a test many do not pass. Opposing this, the obvious warning: the dividend strategy also faces cuts and crashes, and there is no bulletproof portfolio.
Taxation weighs heavily: Portugal, Thailand, and the antiestéticar of residing in Spain
For one participant, having that wealth while being a tax resident in Spain would be "literally scary." Hence the interest in the Portuguese Non-Habitual Resident (NHR) regime, which would leave capital gains at 0%, including cryptocurrencies. This is the path already considered by other investors planning their exit.
The other recurring destination is Southeast Asia. With half the capital, fifteen years living "like a king" in Thailand or Vietnam are calculated, and with €100,000, even setting up a small hotel business in Bali is proposed. Against this, the conservative warning: the problem is not whether the money is enough to live on, but whether it survives intact through the next crisis.
No owned home and no contributions: the holes in the plan
Not owning a home at that age changes the calculation. Some would simply not stop working in that situation. And the issue of pensions looms: according to one participant, to collect it, one must contribute for several years, with weight given to contributions made in the two decades prior to retirement, although he himself formulates this with doubts.
Real estate, however, is dismissed with disdain: it is considered the investment of those without capital and the very rich, not those in the middle. Even so, prices emerge for rehabilitated manor houses with orchards and thousands of meters of land for €130,000 and for 200 m² homes on the Asturian coast for €70,000.
The enemy is not money, it's Tuesday morning
A case is recounted in the thread: someone who sold his company in 2018, with 15 employees and millions in revenue, and found that passive income of €15,000 per month does not fill the hours. Screens, books, gym, and a fatigue that was not economic. Intermediate exits gain traction: sabbatical, change of project, reduction to four or five hours, a job you like even if it pays half.
To anyone arriving here with the same doubt, a dry verdict is returned: if you have to ask, you will keep rowing.
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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