WALLSTREETBETS TO DA MOON! Hold Paco, Hold.

Así que Robinhood vendía acciones a sus clientes, pero no les vendía acciones reales.
Robinhood pensó que la gran mayoría de sus clientes "no educados" simplemente perderían todo su dinero.
Así que, por qué venderles realmente las acciones, y liquidar la operación.
Simplemente hacen una entrada en el libro, y esperan a que la acción baje, entonces invierten la operación... recogen su beneficio.
OPPS.
Los mensos, ignorantes, deplorables, sin valor, ****s, en realidad ganaron y tenían razón.
OPPS.
Ahora Robinhood probablemente debe millones de acciones a sus clientes, pero no hay acciones.
OPPS.
Y no sólo eso... las acciones que hay que reponer ( o hacer realmente bien) han subido un 8.000 %.
OPPS.
Hombre, yo seguro que retiraría mi dinero de RobinHood hasta que se descubra la verdad.
 
Empantanados
- Citadel recibió 200 millones de dólares del dinero de los contribuyentes en el rescate de 2008.
- Bernanke, que concedió el rescate, trabaja ahora para Citadel.
- Citadel pagó a Yellen 800.000 dólares en concepto de "honorarios por hablar".
- La secretaria del Tesoro Yellen asesora ahora a Biden en la situación de GME, donde Citadel perdía con los cortos".
 
Buenas

¿Alguno me puede explicar los riesgos de invertir en metales preciosos mediante un ETC cotizado?

Creo que es algo parecido a un ETF pero el broker me hace un test y me dice que no es un producto conveniente para mi, asi que no se cuales son los riesgos. Entiendo que es como un ETF ¿no?

O es mas complejo?

No creo que invierta, pero estaba mirando por casualidad como va lo de invertir en oro y plata
 
Empantanados
- Citadel recibió 200 millones de dólares del dinero de los contribuyentes en el rescate de 2008.
- Bernanke, que concedió el rescate, trabaja ahora para Citadel.
- Citadel pagó a Yellen 800.000 dólares en concepto de "honorarios por hablar".
- La secretaria del Tesoro Yellen asesora ahora a Biden en la situación de GME, donde Citadel perdía con los cortos".
Apesta la ciénaga
 
GME el viernes cerró a 312, en preapertura de momento oscila sobre los 330.
 
En las principales TVs de EEUU empiezan a decir en los noticieros que la plata es el nuevo activo que va a subir, porque los de reddit lo van a impulsar... Si esa es la narrativa está claro que es una trampa para intentar desfocalizar el interés de los inversores que quieren jorobar a Wall Street.

Cuidado pues.
 

Remember hedge funds have the weak hand
They had to realise gains from other investments just to cover losses from GME. Thursday and Friday were the days with the biggest deleveraging sisnce March 2020. Each day they have to pay high interest just to mantain the short positions, and you know what? Every time they realise gains to cover losses their performance gets worse, and this makes them look like idiots in front of their clients, putting their business in danger.
Expect some crazy volatility
Remember you are playing against hedge funds, they are not going to give you free money. There is no free money in the stock market. GME investors hit them hardly, and for them is not just about losses but they have to proof to their clients that they cannot be beaten by a bunch of redditors. They may suppress the price or manipulate it. There are some excellent posts on this sub about how they manipulate the stock price (ladder attacks, MSM misinformation, etc).
Manage your risk
I hold GME since $20s. For me right now there is no risk in holding the stock because it will never go back to that level. If you just bought at $300 have in mind they may be able to supress the price for days or weeks to $100-$200 level, so you must be able to stomach this volatility. I would recommend only investing money you can afford to lose to not panic sell if you see this wild volatily.
The important thing as an investor is to hold, more than to buy like crazy.
Be a critical thinker, do your DD
There is nothing that the MSM wishes more than to see loss porn from retail investors to say "see, they didn't know what they were doing". Please, don't give them the opportunity to say that.
Do your DD, check user history whenever you read something to make sure users are no hedge fund trolls. Hedge funds are now trying to focus you attention on everything except GME. The Silver play is a trap. Citadel is long silver.
BEWARE THAT IF YOU BUY SILVER, you are helping Citadel to cover losses with their gains and give them the chance to fight on GME.
Maybe mods should ban silver posts as lots of people could potentially lose money on that play.

TLDR:
DO YOUR OWN DD. BE CRITICAL.
HOLD. THEY HAVE THE WEAK HAND, NOT YOU.
BEWARE OF SILVER.
For SEC minions reading this: this is not investment advice.
Edit 1: many thanks for the awards guys.
Edit 2: WSJ and Bloomberg are pushing the silver narrative and creating the impression that somehow people here are coordinated which is complete false. Also Citadel is long silver and it seems posts are being created mainly by bots. I definitely think mods should take action.
 
Estaba clarinete, ya lo dije yo 60 páginas atrás. Pelicula habemus.

Ahora vamos a ver que película hacen. Me temo lo peor. Ingdeepvalue será una zain muyer y Vlad el empalado un asiático trans.

Y a ver que imagen dan de los wallstreetbets, lo de menos es sacar unos comedoritos en un sótano con 3 monitores de 30 pulgadas, es la perspectiva como si fueran unos anarquistas malvados e inmaduros queriendo desestabilizar el bonito sueño americano...que 2 semanas antes estaban en el capitolio de USA montando bronca.

No veo claro que Hollywood se va a posicionar aquí en el lado de los buenos. Ojalá me equivoque y sean al menos objetivos y se centren en lo mollar. Otro riesgo es que se centren en la anécdota y el que salga de la película no tenga ni idea de lo que realmente está pasando (Technicalities).
 
como ya he comentado mas atras, no creo que algo como los WSB sea posible en España, ya ha avisado la CNMV


La CNMV puede imprimir sus amenazas, enrollarlas como un pergamino y metérselas por donde le quepan.

Millones de accionistas comprando un valor sin intención de vender es ¿manipulación de mercado punible? ¿Bajo qué premisa?

Entonces los millones de accionistas del SAN que compran y aguantan como "valor refugio" para cobrar dividendos ¿también está mal? ¿los van a investigar? ¿Cuál es la diferencia entre los retarded y los inversores en SAN?

Si algo como esto pasa en el IBEX y la CNMV se pone a investigar los largos en vez de los cortos descubiertos (eso no lo han mencionado) que se preparen para una demanda conjunta en Europa que iban a estar yendo a juicio hasta sus nietos. Yo soy el primero que pondría pasta para esa demanda conjunta.
 
Comprar ETF es como comprar acciones. No tiene mas misterio. Suelen ser multiplicadores x2 o x3 del precio real, de ahi el "peligro" puede subir o bajar bastante

The futures market: for the squeeze to really happen, we desperately need some of the bigger pocketed players who have access to the futures market to purchase silver contracts on the open market. If you can play in the futures market, it is imperative that you do so. I have been trying to find a retail broker who will allow customers to take physical delivery rather than force cash settlement but have had no luck so far. If anyone knows of such a retail broker, please let me know so I can update the post with the info. This is by far the most important piece of the short squeeze equation.

Let me explain:

When traders hold long futures contracts to expiration, they are making a statement that they want to take delivery. Taking delivery does not miccionan the silver is transferred to your house, but rather it goes to the CME warehouse. You can go pick it up from the warehouse or arrange transfer, or you can pay $8.50 a month per 1000 ounces to just store it at the warehouse (which is quite cheap at that scale). The futures market allows players to use extreme amounts of margin and leverage, which is where the 'naked shorts' come from. They are able to sell massive amounts of silver with very little collateral to back it up, and no actual silver on hand. This also explains why institutions such as citadel or others hold positions in the ETFs like SLV. If you have more than 50,000 shares in SLV, you can request to have your share of the silver delivered to you. They are hedging against their naked shorts in the futures market by trying to gain access to a source of silver should they need it. The thing is, if the short squeeze occurs, even their holdings in SLV will not be enough to meet their obligations.

In order for the buyers to call their bluff they need to not use their margin power, as tempting as it may be to do so. They need to only purchase as much silver in the futures market as they actually have money in their account to cover the final purchase (the price is locked in at the time of the futures contract purchase). Then as expiration approaches, refuse to settle in cash, and pony up the money to actually buy the silver and have it delivered. At that time the seller needs to find silver fast, and tries to purchase it from somewhere else to meet their contractual obligations. The rush of all the naked shorts to try and find physical silver is what massively drives up the price and causes the short squeeze.

There may even be dips in the futures market if the buyers are planning to do the squeeze. This is because they will not be using margin whiles the seller are. The sellers may be able to push the price down temporarily, but when expiration comes they will find themselves in one hell of a bind when they find out all of the buyers actually have the cash in their accounts to take delivery and refuse to settle in cash.

As the supply of silver dries up and literally there is no way to fulfill the obligations of the long contract holders, the silver futures market will actually be effectively shut down. The CME will force settle all remaining contracts for cash at the current market rate (which will have spiked dramatically). This is the last thing the CME wants to do, and will only do it as a final last resort. If this occurs we can declare victory at having exposed the silver futures market for the fraud that it is. A futures market is built on the trust that the sellers can actually deliver the product they are selling, and if they can't then that trust is destroyed. If you go long and they don't have the silver to give you, you will still be paid the money for that amount of silver at the going rate.

Trinc this collapse the futures market will relaunch at a 1-1 margin requirement. This means that for every silver ounce sold, the seller will actually have to have the silver or at least the collateral to cover that exact amount of silver on the open market. The futures market will have moved from 250-1 paper to physical, to 1-1. The massive banks who were naked short will have lost tens or maybe even hundreds of billions of dollars collectively. In my previous post I implied it was likely JP Morgan naked shorting. They have a history of doing so and being fined for manipulation, but we don't actually know which big players are the current naked shorts and who might even be net long.

2.

This is where the rest of us come in...
if you can't play the futures market, you can still purchase and tie up physical silver where the naked shorts can't access it. Thus setting up the environment for the squeeze to occur. Whether its WSB players or some other big fund who sees what is happening and does the futures part themselves, they will only be able to do so because of the smaller purchases of silver by millions of smaller players.


Physical silver: by purchasing physical silver you are taking silver off the market that the shorts will need when the squeeze occurs. You aren't directly causing the short squeeze, you are helping to set up the environment for the squeeze to occur, and you will have the silver to sell after the squeeze happens.

Silver ETFs (SLV, PSLV, SIVR):
this is the same concept as the physical silver. By purchasing silver ETFs you are locking up physical into the ETF's vaults, which wont be able to be able to be purchased by the shorts in the futures market because they belong to the ETF shareholders. There has been a ton of chatter about whether ETFs should be used at all, and of the ETFs which is the best or most reliable. Frankly if you have doubts about the ETFs, just don't use them. All of the physical silver is already sold out so this is the easiest way for most people to play at this point. It is possible that at some point SLV (or other ETFs) will no longer create new shares as silver becomes impossible to find (thus they cant create a new share because they can't the silver to back it up). At that point the ETFs will likely trade at a hefty premium to NAV and it may no longer make sense to purchase them. But that hasn't occurred yet so I'd say it still certainly makes sense to buy these ETFs. We have no proof that they are lying about their silver holdings, and if they disallow new share creation, I'd say that means they really aren't lying about their holdings, otherwise they would happily take as much investment as we would give them to collect management fees.

Call options on Silver ETFs: Calls will have a similar effect to purchasing the ETFs as the market maker will have to purchase the underlying ETF to be hedged. It has a levered effect that can both hurt and help the squeeze depending on which direction the silver price is headed.

Miners: miners will benefit from the squeeze but buying them doesn't help the squeeze occur in any direct way. People buying miners will benefit if we are successful, but the more capital that flows into them rather than the alternatives, it will lower the chances of the squeeze being successful in the first place.



TLDR:

if monke have lot of money, long futures with no margin and take delivery.

If monke not have lot of money, buy physical silver bullion and silver ETFs


Hopefully this answered some of the questions that flooded my inbox from the previous post. Good luck to all. GME and SLV to moon. Lets squeeze the naked shorts, expose the manipulation, and take our tendies from the hedge funds.


Disclaimer: everyone is an individual who can make their own decisions, I'm not a financial advisor, you can lose all your money betting on these plays, etc, etc, bullshit, the SEC is spineless unless they arrest those involved in the 1/27 GME manipulation and pay all of us damages



Muchas gracias, pero por lo que estoy preguntando es por un ETC, no por un ETF, por un ETC

Desconozco si este tipo de productos conllevan algun riesgo adicional

El que estoy mirando se clasifica como "Physical Silver ETC" pero no se si eso implica que el producto se respalda con plata física o que se dedica a replicar el precio de la plata física mediante futuros y opciones (me imagino que será esto último)
 
No se lo crea usted, en Estados unidos aun hoy con una formación profesional especilizada y siendo trabajador te ganas la vida razonablemente (especialmente en comparación con España)



La clave esto, ya en 2014 42 millones de solteros

La soltería involuntaria y falta de proyecto de vida familiar afecta sobre todo a varones.

Apostaría que la mayoría de los WallStreetBets son INCEL's y que apenas hay muyer metidas en el ajo.

Siempre existió un pequeño porcentaje de personas (gaies aparte) que por su intelectualidad, creencias religiosas o incluso autismo-asperger (en estos ya la voluntariedad es mas discutible) elegian una vida sin pareja.

Pero el feminismo y las expectativas enloquecidad de la muyer actual, que hacen que solo un 20% de los hombres sean aceptables para el 80% de las muyer, antes o despues generaría un estallido social de algún tipo.

Lo que no esperábamos es que sería contra Wall Street.

Pero tiene su lógica. Los primeros Wall Street Bets que entraron en Game Stop van a hacer una pasta gansa, diría que van a pasar a ser muy deseables para las muyer que antes los rechazaban

Ver este video para mas información (ojo verlo hasta el final)

Lulz. Compartido en Whatsup inmediatamente.
 
Pero a ver por qué tanto problema con la plata?

Siempre ha sido un bien de valor...

Me vais a hacer arrepentirme de las 12 monedas de guano que compré, en lugar de una acción GME

Tus 12 monedas tendrán siempre valor, en cambio gme...
Lo de gme ha sido un bowling y ya veremos en qué acaba, pero no tiene que ver con guardar unas onzas en casa.
 
Pero a ver por qué tanto problema con la plata?

Siempre ha sido un bien de valor...

Me vais a hacer arrepentirme de las 12 monedas de guano que compré, en lugar de una acción GME

No hay nada malo con la plata, pero es un movimiento de distracción. Primero lo suyo es acabar con Melvin y Citadel y demás fondos con GME, y luego, si eso, ya se irá a por otro objetivo. Es mejor atacar en un solo frente que diluir la fuerza inversora en varios frentes simultaneos. Por eso digo que lo de la plata es una maniobra de distracción.
 
No hay nada malo con la plata, pero es un movimiento de distracción. Primero lo suyo es acabar con Melvin y Citadel y demás fondos con GME, y luego, si eso, ya se irá a por otro objetivo. Es mejor atacar en un solo frente que diluir la fuerza inversora en varios frentes simultaneos. Por eso digo que lo de la plata es una maniobra de distracción.

También tengo esa opinión, es el divide y vencerás, para que la energía no se concentre únicamente en la operación con GME, se ha soltado lo de la plata.

Lo de la plata es otro mundo, y no es por falta de ganas de desenmascarar ese mercado, pero exige sumar mucho músculo financiero, en comparación con GME.
 

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