Ten years in England: gratitude and resentment in the same country
One Spaniard spends four years in Yorkshire, graduates with tuition paid by the British university, and leaves feeling like just another local. Another has lived in England for a decade, scrubbing dishes and cleaning toilets, and writes that the locals are hateful. They speak of the same country and century. The debate, sparked by the Southport attack and subsequent protests, portrays the emigrant better than the chosen destination.
What peine in Southport and why it peine the issue
The trigger was a deadly incident in Southport, involving several minors. A narrative claiming residency in England for ten years constructs a plea celebrating the attack and wishing for more deaths. The backlash was immediate, even among those sharing some of his complaints about the country. He is criticized for laughing at children's deaths and holding others accountable for their own lives.
Beneath the noise lies a recognizable economic issue: Spanish emigration to the UK, the working conditions found, and the disappointment of those who left seeking opportunities unavailable at home. The aftermath of the event remains, observed from afar by those who mention it without witnessing it.
Those who left and would do it again
Not all accounts are bitter. One details four years in Yorkshire: the university paid for his studies, he felt like one of them, and he cherishes memories of student union pints. Another claims to have spent twenty years in the Netherlands without speaking ill of the country, considering some neighbors family. A third, after five and a half years in the UK, argues the truth lies halfway and the issue is complex.
The most positively cited testimony is from someone who left for prosperity not seen in Spain and now thrives with his family. The formula repeats: gratitude, hard work, and discretion regarding internal affairs. Cria cuervos, summarizes someone from the other side.
The resentment that years do not cure
On the other side is the counter-narrative. The opening account describes a workplace conflict in a restaurant where a foreign colleague pushed and insulted him, and where British managers allegedly defended her. From this, he draws general conclusions about the character of the English and local pogre.
The most repeated response is a question: if he dislikes the place so much, why has he stayed for a decade? Another adds a professional counterpoint: "we would love to work here as there", recalling his years with British firms. A third suggests that one who cannot endure their own land cannot endure another's, and that leaving does not fix a problem carried in the suitcase.
From national character to historical grievances
The conversation shifts to history. One view holds that the UK has only harmed Spain and that if the island sank, he would not miss it; yet he acknowledges respect for British industrial and technological capacity, buying British audio equipment as the best. The response cites names: Rome, colonial empires, half of Asia. If ancestors must be held accountable, no country is innocent.
A quote from former French President Nicolas Sarkozy —"of all the world's continents, Europe is the most brutal"— is used as ammunition in a crossfire of reproaches where memory is cut at the convenient point. Those demanding twenty centuries of grievances are told their own land was also a province of others.
The shift toward immigration and coexistence
Midway, the focus shifts. It is no longer about whether the English are nice or unbearable, but coexistence with migrant communities, perceived insecurity in specific neighborhoods, and integration policy. Assertions are made about exploitation networks and crime attributed to specific groups without data, repeating the thesis of the so-called great replacement, an unempirical theory based on broad statements rather than figures.
The exchange becomes symmetrical: the same reproaches directed at the British are directed at newcomers to Spain. One phrase summarizes it: "they behave the same here, and we are not English." A different account arrives from Italy, from those who argue that settled migrants integrate, drink in the street, and eat pork, and that serious tensions do not arise.
One closing fact. The loudest voices have lived in the country he claims to hate for a decade. The one who has lived abroad the longest —twenty-five years— dedicates not a line to resentment. Ten years allow learning a language, a trade, and a culture. Apparently, they also allow nurturing an undying grievance.
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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