New cars at €72,000 with 4-cylinder engines and 9.5% installments
A participant shares the case of an acquaintance who has "bought"—or rather long-term rented—a Mercedes CLA 45 S AMG: €72,000, 421 horsepower in a four-cylinder engine, a €15,000 down payment, and monthly payments of €821 for 24 months, with interest rates cited in the thread around 9.5%. Another acquaintance, they add, paid €35,000 for a front-wheel-drive BMW 1 Series with a three-cylinder engine. The question opening the debate is not how much these cost, but why the industry has decided this is normal.
The scene repeats, according to thread participants: list prices rise, displacement falls, and critics argue that those signing contracts do so without fully understanding what they are paying for. This describes an industry offering less car for more money, where ownership has become a rarity.
How much do you really pay for a financed car?
The figure rarely shown in brochures is the residual value. According to a calculation circulating in the thread, for a €72,000 CLA with a €15,000 down payment and two years of payments, a final balloon payment exceeding €40,000 would remain outstanding. From there, the signer has four options: return the car—having lost the down payment and 24 receipts—, continue financing at 9.5% or higher, chain another model from the brand, or pay the €40,000 lump sum.
This last option, paying off and keeping the car, is, according to complaints, the least promoted one. The thread argues that the business model relies not on customer ownership, but on them returning to square one every few years. With these numbers, the friendly installment hides, they say, very high interest.
The renting trend: paying depreciation on a car you don't own
Leasing and renting are sold as convenience, but the math is stubborn, it is argued. During the rental, the customer covers the inevitable depreciation of the vehicle for the actual owner, who can still resell it and make a profit upon recovery. Those who return the car go home empty-handed.
There are profiles for whom the formula fits: those who change cars every three years, want no mechanical surprises, and prefer fixed payments. The problem, they point out, is the cost of money. An interest charge between 8% and 12%, denounced in the thread, is not a convenience but usury.
Smaller engines with more power: forced engineering
A four-cylinder producing 421 horsepower or a three-cylinder declaring 140 are, for some participants, exercises that come back to haunt you in the medium term. The tighter a small engine is pushed to deliver such power, the more parts work at their limit. Displacement is not given away: it is replaced by turbo, pressure, and electronics.
The other criticism points to where the money goes. If prices rise, it is argued, why don't larger, less stressed six-cylinder engines return? The commercial answer, according to the thread, is that customers no longer pay for hardware, they pay for screens. Quality is camouflaged behind tablets full of icons.
Repairs get complicated: parts not sold individually
The bill arrives when something breaks. A plastic mirror trim piece, on an eight-year-old car, costs almost €300: according to a participant, the part is not sold loose, requiring replacement of the entire mirror. DIY fixes are an escape route, and sometimes not even that, because technical inspections (ITV) may reject them.
Added to this, according to the thread, is a trade issue: it is increasingly difficult to find a mechanic willing to diagnose rather than just swap parts. Some workshops dismiss a fault as an unsolvable defect, while others in the same city fix it within a day, recounts a participant. The closed electronics of new cars reinforce this dependency: only official dealers have the key.
The counterexample: used cars, Japanese brands, and Dacia
Against this backdrop, half the conversation champions the old. A 2005 Honda Accord that "runs like new," a Dacia whose owner trusts will last over ten years, and an LPG Lodgy with simple mechanics, according to its owner. The thesis repeated by several is: wherever there is a reliable used car with plentiful spare parts in scrapyards, let it replace the new.
Nuance comes with exceptions. A participant notes that a 2010 Toyota diesel, with up-to-date service records at an official dealer, gave problems until its owner swapped it. No brand guarantees longevity alone. And the used market is no paradise either: some claim that in 80% of cases there is something hidden, whether from a dealer, trader, or private seller, maintaining that today almost no one truly owns their car.
The fundamental doubt remains, and it has no easy answer. If manufacturers have verified, as one participant claims, that offering worse products at higher prices still gets customers to sign, what would push them to change? And what would need to happen for the market to reward again the simple, durable, and above all, owned car?
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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