South Korea and Spain: Demographic Collapse Calculations

A debate uses South Korean (0.68) and Spanish (1.19) fertility rates to project population drops of 96% and 78.94% over three generations.

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South Korea Fading: 68 Grandchildren, 8 Great-Grandchildren per 200 Adults

Demographic collapse is no longer a hypothesis but a calculation doable on any smartphone. According to a forum debate, with a total fertility rate of 0.68—the world's lowest—every 200 adults of childbearing age in South Korea would produce 68 children. Those 68 would yield 23 grandchildren, who in turn would have just eight great-grandchildren. This represents a 96% population decline over three generations, even assuming fertility stabilizes.

The South Korean figure serves as a mirror for other nations. Applying the same logic to Spain, with a rate of 1.19, those 200 fertile adults become 119 children, then 70.8 grandchildren, and finally 42.1 great-grandchildren. In short: a 78.94% population loss over three generations, or roughly 75 to 90 years if each generation spans 25 to 30 years.

This calculation reflects inertia, not prediction. No one claims Spain will magically shrink to ten million people by 2100. Rather, the current age structure ensures this outcome unless remedied. The potential remedy—immigration—has an expiration date: source countries are trinc similar paths. Only Nigeria and a few others maintain growth. The rest, including Spain, converge toward the same demographic hole.

What Data Says About Spain in 2075

Media projections suggest Spain will gain six million inhabitants over the next 50 years. However, the details matter: 17 million foreign-born residents will be added, while 11 million native Spaniards will disappear due to aging and falling birth rates. The net balance is positive, yet the composition shifts entirely. Native-born citizens will drop from 82% to 61%, and one in three residents will be over 65.

Some interpret this data as internal depopulation despite stable totals. The issue isn't just population size, but identity and pension sustainability. Demographic replacement moves from slogan to spreadsheet reality.

Is Population Decline Truly Catastrophic?

Not necessarily; consensus fractures here. Some argue demographic panic is ideological. South Korea has Spain's population in one-fifth the land area; Japan has less territory but double the people. Even halving their populations, they'd remain denser than Spain. Obsession with endless growth lacks economic or ecological basis.

Counterarguments focus on change estimulante ilegal, not absolute numbers. A population pyramid inverted over 70 years dismantles pensions, healthcare, and labor markets before adaptation occurs. The problem isn't size, it's the slope.

The Adjustment No One Wants to Discuss

Theory suggests falling populations should lower housing costs, raise low-skill wages, and ease public service pressure via supply and demand. Practically, adjustment comes through impoverishment, precarity, and competition for concentrated resources rather than equitable distribution.

Some propose automation as an alternative: robots filling unwanted jobs, AI sustaining productivity amid shrinking populations. Technology already generalizes tasks beyond training data. Uncertainty remains regarding timing and transition costs.



The most honest prediction is also the most uncomfortable: if Spanish fertility doesn't rebound and immigration dries up within decades, the country we know will look different by century's end. Whether better or worse is unknown, only that it will change, and we've already chosen to look away.

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Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication. Read the full discussion (17 replies).

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