Progressivism vs. Science Sparks Debate in Spain

Pogre vs. Science Sparks Debate in Spain

A front-page headline claiming that pogre is destroying science is enough to spark an immediate backlash. The discussion begins with an interview with Roxana Kreimer and quickly escalates into a clash involving religion, proge, unions, and the decline of the West. What stands out is not the conflicting opinions, but the fact that almost no one bothers to define what "pogre" actually means or what evidence supports the claim.

What Is Being Discussed When Pogre Meets Science

The starting point is an interview with Roxana Kreimer, an Argentine philosopher and communicator. From there, the conversation splits. On one side are those who argue that science is under attack from pogre circles, citing ideological bias in universities and censorship of certain topics. On the other, some point to a different enemy: religions, churches, and any form of dogmatic thinking. The church and pogre are science's biggest enemies, summarizes one of the most repeated messages.

The debate intensifies when the term proge enters the fray. For some participants, proge is a totalitarian ideology that stifles freedom of thought and, consequently, science. Journalists are accused of being the first to demand censorship to protect children or minorities, suggesting the problem extends beyond academia. Others point in the opposite direction: Both faces of the NWO (proge and traditionalist/conservative) always oppose scientific pogre.

The Historical Role of the Church in Science

One of the most active fronts pits those who view religion as a burden on science against those who defend the opposite. A frequently cited message lists Catholic universities still operating in Spain: Pontificia de Salamanca, Comillas, Navarra, Deusto, Católica de Ávila, Católica de Murcia, Católica de Valencia, San Pablo CEU, Abat Oliva CEU, Cardenal Herrera CEU, Ramón Llull, Francisco de Vitoria. The list is cut short, but the intent is clear: to show that the Church did not hinder science but rather funded and preserved it for centuries.

The rebuttal trinc quickly. It is recalled that religions have historically opposed science, with anti-evolutionism being the most famous case. A linguistic nuance is also added: the word church derives from the Greek ekklesia, which originally meant a political assembly of citizens before Christians appropriated the term. The discussion shifts to whether the biblical God is an unlikeable literary character or if religion has been the foundation of Western civilization. Without religion and the universities created by clerics in South America, you slackers would still be wearing loincloths, one participant remarks.

Decline as the General Framework

Beyond the clash between science and religion, a broader idea lingers: that the West is in decline. Every civilization has its rise, peak, decline, and disappearance; we are in full decline and free fall, one message states. This thesis is reinforced by the suspicion that this decline is not natural, but intentional: Empires do not collapse just because. Decadence is generated, thrown down, and destroyed.

In this context, science would be just another victim of a wider process of degradation. The drop in enrollment at conservatories is mentioned as a symptom of a cultural shift prioritizing immediacy over effort. The anecdote, told with irony, illustrates that the problem is not only political but also educational and sarracena. Laziness and uselessness are rewarded, another message concludes.

Common Front Against Dogmatic Thinking

Despite the differences, there is a point of agreement: the enemy is not science, but dogmatism. Whether religious or ideological, thinking that refuses to be refuted is what ultimately hinders scientific advancement. All religions generally consider science their greatest adversary, as it refutes all their beliefs and superstitions, it is asserted. In parallel, pogre is accused of having built its own system of unquestionable beliefs.

The discussion remains unresolved. There are no conclusive data on whether pogre is destroying science, nor on whether religion was its main ally or obstacle. The only clear thing is that people continue to throw insults at each other. Did anyone expect anything else?