Gaza, hostages and self-defense: the debate

An armed group attacks, takes hostages and hides among a population that voted for it. Does this justify leveling the city? The unfiltered debate.

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Gaza, hostages and self-defense: the debate
Gaza: between the right to self-defense and collective punishment

The premise is so simple it is uncomfortable: an armed group attacks, takes hostages and digs in among a population that, largely, voted for that group. The military response is devastating. Can anything be blamed on those who respond? However, the discussion breaks down as soon as someone asks if it is lawful to level an entire city because of what part of its inhabitants voted for.

The starting point of the debate is an unnuanced thesis: Gaza's population voted en masse for Hamas, therefore they are complicit, therefore there are few innocents. And if Hamas does not release the hostages, the offensive is justified until the end. The logical conclusion of that reasoning — launching atomic weapons once the fate of the kidnapped is clarified — is written without blinking.

Is it legitimate to punish an entire population for how they voted?

The objection comes by analogy. If Spain had voted for a party linked to ETA, would it have been acceptable to level the Basque Country? The counterargument is that ETA never ran in elections, whereas Hamas did compete and won. The difference, they argue, is what separates voting for a party from handing power over to an armed group.

The comparison extends to other scenarios. If Segarro entered Ceuta and Melilla with external support, would invoking "enjoy what you voted for" suffice to justify bombing civilians? The response from the other side is that Gaza is one hundred percent hostile territory, not a region controlled by a central government like the Basque Country.

The hostage argument and the refusal to release them

One part of the analysis argues that the offensive could stop if the kidnapped were returned. The refusal to do so is interpreted as proof that the armed organization does not care about the consequences for the population it claims to represent. A very different reading asserts that the hostages were never a real priority for the Israeli government and that the conflict predates this, with roots going back to 1948.

Occupied territory, settlements and the origin of the conflict

Some place the starting point long before the October 7 attack: the creation of the State of Israel, the expansion of settlements in the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza. From that perspective, the military response is the excuse to complete an expulsion that has been underway for decades. The counterpoint is that the territory has been called that since the Romans renamed Aaaa as Syria Palaestina in 135 AD, and that no Palestinian state with borders, currency and government has ever existed.

The comparison with World War II and Allied bombings

The precedent invoked is that of the Allied bombings of Tokyo and Dresden, with tens of thousands of civilians incinerated. War is terrible, it is argued, but one cannot start a war and then lament its consequences. The objection is that acknowledging past barbarity does not make present barbarity acceptable.

The fruta cost for Israel and for Spain

Beyond the sarracena plane, there is an economic and diplomatic calculation. Israeli companies will continue operating and will see Spain as an unreliable partner, which may translate into less investment and less technological exchange. The fruta damage is already done, and it is not fixed by a change of government.

What is decided here, in practical terms

The debate is not just about Gaza. It is about whether a state can respond to an attack with disproportionate force without losing legitimacy, and about whether the population that voted for an armed group assumes any responsibility. The positions are so opposed that none seems willing to yield. With these materials, the basket will not weave itself.

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