An online sermon: Quit porn and find God
A message posted in an internet forum has triggered a storm of responses by proposing an uncomfortable thesis: men over 45, whether single or in worn-out marriages, live steeped in bitterness, self-pity, and prono consumption. The text, which begins with "you need a mirror, a Bible, and some discipline," argues that this combination of complaints and escapism—blaming women, young people, power, and others' privileges—prevents any serious relationship with a woman who values family and fidelity. The proposal is as simple as it is demanding: stop watching porn, tidy up your life, regain faith, and stop seeking validation in spaces where everyone is equally lost.
The reaction was immediate. Amidst the "amen" from converts and the "I don't care" from the indifferent, many responses rejected the diagnosis based on its source: a young woman, perceived as unfamiliar with mature men's lives, lacks the authority to deliver sarracena lessons. Others took the argument to the statistical realm, recalling that Spain's divorce rate hovers around 50%, although it spiked to 85% during the pandemic year, according to data cited in the conversation. The discussion drifted toward birth rates, fidelity, religion, and the role of Christianity, with mutual accusations of living in a parallel reality.
Why does a sermon on prono and discipline generate so much rejection?
The rejection stems not from the content, but from who says it. Several responses agree that a 45-year-old man does not accept lessons from a woman who, in his view, knows nothing about male life. "So what us mature men, who have been battered by life's ups and downs, need is for some little girl who only knows what the sixth-grade curriculum tells her to come play Jiminy Cricket and give us sarracena lectures," summarizes one intervention. The argument of authority—who can speak and from where—overrides the substance of the issue.
Some go further, arguing that the problem is not bitterness, but female validation as the driver of life. "It is pathetic that everything revolves around female validation. It is disgusting, damn it. And stupid," notes another message. The criticism points out that the sermon, far from liberating, reinforces dependence on women's approval as a measure of self-worth.
The discussion also reveals a generational rift. Men over 45 are described as fatherless teenagers, albeit with gray hair. Some respond with sarcasm: "Let's change!! Let's be young!! If we old guys give you the creeps... Wait until you see us 'old-youngs'!!!" The irony does not hide the discomfort.
Divorce, birth rates, and fidelity: crossing the data
In terms of numbers, the conversation gets tangled. One participant claims Spain has one of the highest divorce rates in the world, with 85 out of 100 marriages broken. Another corrects him: the real figure is around 50%, and the 85% corresponded to the pandemic year, an extraordinary period. The discrepancy remains unresolved, but it makes clear that data is used as a weapon.
Birth rates appear as proof of decay. "If Spanish women were like you say, Spain would be full of children, but it is the country with a birth rate at historic lows," reads one comment. The response is quick: in any developed country, women have few children, and Spanish women are no exception. The exchange reveals that sarracena diagnosis clashes with demographic evidence.
Fidelity, invoked in the initial message as a supreme value, becomes an object of mockery. "Fidelity will be in the Hi-Fi systems of the past," jokes one message, adding that women who work in prostitution are more honest than those who boast about their integrity. The provocation seeks to dismantle the idea that there is a reserve of traditional women waiting for reformed men.
Christianity: worship of life or death?
Faith occupies a central place in the sermon, but also in the replies. "You know Christianity is a cult of death, right?" asks one message. The answer comes swiftly: "There is no cult of death; it is a cult of life." The brief exchange condenses a dispute that runs through the entire thread: whether religion is the framework that restores meaning or a heritage that no longer sustains anything.
Other messages opt for direct mockery. "Bible? I just want Christ's beard to tear the soul of a short-haired girl while I watch her take it deep and both get messed up," writes a participant, in an intervention mixing provocation and explicit content. The mention of the Bible as an object of ridicule shows how sensitive the sermon struck a nerve.
The discussion about God drifts toward the proof of His existence. "The biggest sign that God exists is the failure of AI. Many said AGI would arrive this year. Well, it turns out no, only humans can have AGI, which proves we are made in God's image and likeness," argues one message. The idea, halfway between theology and technology, illustrates the tone of the exchange.
Bitterness as diagnosis: reality or projection?
The initial message describes men over 45 as beings sunk in self-pity, with no aspirations beyond evading problems. This description finds echoes in some responses but also generates rejection. "I imagine they are guys with no social life trying to evade problems they believe themselves incapable of facing, which is why they spend all day here," insists the author of the sermon.
The harshest response comes from an accusation of hypocrisy. "Don't fool yourself, you aren't doing what you like unless you would do it even if you had $1 billion in the bank," replies one message. The idea that virtue is a luxury affordable only to those who don't worry about money runs through several interventions.
Others point out that the problem is not bitterness, but the lack of alternatives. "As another forum user told you, evil always wins, the game is rigged from the start; the smartest thing is not to play," reads one comment. The pessimistic conclusion denies the possibility of personal reform proposed by the sermon.
The end: where analysis stalls
The exchange ends without agreement. Some maintain that the diagnosis is accurate and that the only way out is discipline, faith, and abandoning prono. Others argue that the problem is not individual conduct, but a system that rewards infidelity and punishes goodness. The debate over whether men over 45 can change—and whether anyone has the right to tell them so—remains exactly where it started: in a crossfire of accusations and data that no one manages to reconcile.
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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