A 28-year-old woman sparks a debate on a forum with a blunt assertion: in her generation, there is not a single man in Spain or Western Europe who can introduce his parents without feeling secondhand embarrassment. She describes them as immature children, cowards, gym-obsessed, insecure, and unemployed. Her post, which has gathered 118 replies, triggers a storm of responses mixing social criticism, economics, and gender warfare.
The profile of the modern man according to the author
The original poster does not mince words. She defines the modern man as a "sissy with no self-respect," a coward without dignity or personal goals. She states it would hurt if the father of her children were not Spanish, but that if she had to go to Serbia or the southern United States to find a man—a Caucasian father for her children—she would do so. This statement, laden with stereotypes, provokes responses ranging from mockery to cold analysis.
Several participants reply with irony. One suggests men are hiding from her. Another asserts that no real man wants a feminist. A third points out that the problem is never one's own, but always others'. The discussion quickly devolves into an exchange of accusations regarding the sensual market and gender expectations.
The hypergamy carousel and the dating market
One of the most repeated arguments is the so-called hypergamy carousel. It is claimed that many women complaining that good men no longer exist are the same ones who, in their youth, slept with everyone except the good men. Missing opportunities to build a family due to the need to date and live life translates, according to this thesis, into a carousel of relationships ending with cats and wine as the final destination.
The debate introduces the concept of the "real man" as a construct. One participant argues that real men never existed; they were merely a heteropatriarchal construct to subjugate women and gain free access to sens. Another responds that it is impossible for men to have changed so much, unless it was all a construct and they have simply dropped the mask today.
The discussion heats up when addressing the role of feminism. It is argued that decades of feminist indoctrination have feminized the Western male. It is said that 20 years of Marxist feminism have created two types of men: those who never have sens and those who sleep with everyone, and a group of dissatisfied women because neither type suits them.
The economic factor: state, taxes, and privileges
Economics enters the debate fully. One participant argues that the state continues to benefit women by taking money from men's pockets and putting it into women's. He adds that he has not seen any lady protest and renounce privilege. The conclusion is that those who are alone should eat their hypergamy and start supporting men and spending their money on them, if they are worth so much and earn so much.
Another message points out that real men are already taken by other women or have gone abroad, because in Spain, where most women are feminists, promiscuous, and demanding, there are better hunting grounds both professionally and sensual. The summary is that if you possess any of these qualities, you will never find a worthwhile man, because you are not worthwhile either.
Criticism of the state extends to the destruction of society. It is claimed that society has been destroyed, that there are no men, no women, no values, no law, and no decency. The apocalyptic tone mixes with references to a totalitarian socialist state that nullifies the man and feminizes him.
The author's response and the end of the debate
The original poster does not stay silent. She responds to accusations of being a "Charo" (a derogatory term for loud, vulgar women) and annoying by saying they know nothing about her and should stop trying to pass off their fantasies as reality. She clarifies that she is 28 years old and that some would like to be her age. The discussion turns into an exchange of personal insults.
The debate closes without consensus. Some argue that women demand without offering anything in return, wanting real men without being real women themselves. Others defend that men have lost sensitivity and humanity, moving only by calculations and probability schemes, and that whoever is a true man and woman never loses attitude, desire, or hope. The most repeated conclusion is that feminism has destroyed society and that real men are in Gambia, Serbia, or the southern United States. The question remains unanswered.
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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