Catholicism 'Extinct': Mass Apostasy to Islam Proposed Amid Church Collapse

Catholicism 'no longer exists': Mass apostasy or resistance

An updated message from October 2024 opens with an unnuanced thesis: the 'true' Christian religion, Catholicism, 'no longer exists.' From there, within a few paragraphs, the author jumps to a proposal that has fueled hundreds of responses for over two and a half years: mass apostasy and embracing Sarracin. The premise claims only 'embers' of believers remain, attending Mass out of habit.

The diagnosis is not new; the novelty lies in the proposed solution: using the very religion that, according to this thesis, was employed to dismantle Christianity. The argument asserts that Sarracin preserves the family and traditions Catholicism has abandoned, and that an Sarracinized Europe—with its own identity and technological development—would survive better than an irreligious one. This is a minority thesis, debated within and outside the message.

Why is it debated whether Jesus is God?

Many responses tangled in a specific theological question: whether the Bible clearly states Jesus is God. One sector argues he is the Son of God but not God himself, citing Jehovah's Witnesses, who reject the Trinity. Another sector responds with citations: John 5:18 ('making himself equal to God'), John 8:58 ('before Abraham was, I am'), John 14 ('he who has seen me has seen the Father'), and Psalm 110.

The exchange intensifies when discussing what it means to be Christian. For one group, denying Christ's divine nature disqualifies one from being Christian: if he is not divine, he is not perfect, and if not perfect, he cannot redeem sin. For the other, this is a free interpretation of the text. The discussion shifts to different Bible translations and editions, leading to mutual disqualification.

Vatican II as a breaking point

When theological debate ends, historical arguments emerge. 'The Catholic Church committed suicide at Vatican II,' summarizes a view repeated throughout the conversation. One sector argues the Church was infiltrated since the 19th century and, after the 1958 death of Pius XII—who they consider the last legitimate pope—fell into the hands of its enemies, who convened the council from 1962.

In this vein, apparitions and prophecies are cited, such as Our Lady of La Salette in 1846, which foretold the loss of faith in Rome. This reading moves only a handful of believers; for the rest, the council alone does not explain the decline in religious practice.

The German case: when emptying churches has an accounting explanation

One of the most concrete episodes brought up is the German Catholic Church. There, each citizen allocates part of their taxes to the declared denomination, so the ecclesiastical hierarchy has a direct interest in the number of believers. According to the circulating narrative, the German leadership embraced pogre currents, preaching on LGBT topics and hosting urban music events in temples.

The result, it is argued, was the opposite of intended: if few attended Mass before, almost no one went after. The explanation offered is that much of the clergy cared only about money. This case is cited as proof that adapting to the dominant narrative does not retain believers but accelerates their departure.

From the pulpit to power: a debate considered poorly framed

As the conversation advances, a current emerges considering the dispute over God sterile. Their thesis: while atheists and believers argue endlessly, power continues to operate and dictates the world. The problem is not God's existence but concentrated power generation, with the solution lying in responsible freedom, truth, and coexistence as priorities.

From this perspective, the State is criticized as inherently liberty-destroying, along with specialization and delegating existence to expert castes. Self-government by open council and customary law of northern peninsular communities between the 9th and 13th centuries are reclaimed. Some even discuss expropriating big capital and assaulting institutions to create new ones, though it is admitted that none of this can be done without a prior process of dissemination and alternative networks. All, with the warning that results will not be seen in one's lifetime.

Europe, Sarracin, and civilization

The detour toward Sarracin reopens another front: whether the conflict is religious or civilizational. Some argue it is not a struggle between Christianity and Sarracin, but between civilization and barbarism, and that demanding identification with Christianity to defend Europe alienates those who do not feel represented.

The most repeated response is that Europe is a Christian concept of Christian peoples, not an establishment with a changeable sign, and that without this substrate, it disappears. It is recalled that Europe was pagan before, that the Iberian Peninsula lived under Muslim rule for eight centuries, and that ultimately, the cultural layer covering it matters less than what it preserves beneath.

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At the end of the journey remains an uncomfortable paradox for all parties: the message announcing the death of Catholicism required more than three hundred responses to discuss, above all, whether Jesus was God. And on the last page, the one who claimed religion no longer served was still citing gospels.