WALLSTREETBETS TO DA MOON! Hold Paco, Hold.

[poppom]

Si ya se ha squiseado no entiendo la negativa de varios brokers a permitir compras

 

[Nico]

He pillado 2 x GME y 10 x AMC.

A ver que pasa.

😛 😉

Te lo podría decir pero mejor no te spoileo el final. Es lindo. 😉

 

[Cuchillo de palo]

Gente que "tiene una cuenta" en un "agente financiero" y ni se tomó la molestia de ENTERARSE COMO FUNCIONA !!

¿En serio piensan que con este nivel de "guerreros" los redditers van a derrotar al MEJOR EJERCITO (financiero) DEL MUNDO?

Estamos viendo una masacre en vivo y en directo de niños ardilla por parte de malos profesionales. Por un lado es triste, por otro poético... no puedo negar que deja un regustillo amargo y al mismo tiempo resulta tierno.

pero en el futuro sus hazañas se cantarán en los campos de SOMA

 

[Nico]

Lo de los brokers forzando stop loss es gravísimo

Depende lo que diga el contrato.

Si es un "broker a mercado" sería una locura.
Si es un "agente financiero", no.

a) Si te quedas SIN MARGEN, liquidan tu posición (o pones más dinero)

b) Si la "cláusula de protección de cliente" se activa, posiblemente te la activan automáticamente (está en el contrato y escrita a favor de ellos obviamente) o bien te fijan el "stop loss" en un punto donde tu pérdida no pueda ser arguída en contra de ellos como "perjuicio" (tema legal, largo de explicar aquí).

LEAN LOS CONTRATOS QUE FIRMAN !!

 

[filets]

AOC y Ted Cruz que el jueves bramaban contra WallStreet por poner trabas a la venta de acciones de GME no han vuelto a abrir el pico.
Se ve que al dia siguiente les explicaron lo que habia.

 

[Nico]

Mi pregunta es, cómo pueden ponerse cortos en esta situación? Seguro que ya se ha explicado, pero quién les presta las acciones ?

Es largo de explicar completo. Además hay varios textos ya en el hilo que lo explican.

De todos modos quiero que entiendas que "ponerse en corto" es una expresión genérica y hay MUCHOS MODOS de "ponerse en corto".

1) Puedes -lo tradicional- alquilar acciones, venderlas y esperar recomprarlas más abajo para devolverlas y ganar.

2) Puedes usar OPCIONES DE COMPRA a precios más bajos (allí no necesitas acciones, sólo pagar por la opción que se ejecutará sólo si el precio baja)

3) Puedes poner un PRECIO DE COMPRA A MERCADO a un precio INFERIOR AL ACTUAL (en este caso, simplemente pretendes comprar "abajo" pero sólo pones tu dinero y esperas que baje).

4) Otras formas mucho más sofisticadas (sintéticos, derivados, etc.)

Hay unos cuantos modos de "ganar a la baja" que no necesariamente implican "vender acciones prestadas" para recomprarlas.

 

[Gurney]

El hold tiene mas sentido que nunca, no por un posible short squeeze que tenia sentido cuando valia 100 pavos la accion o 180 como dicen por ahi. Tiene sentido porque es cuestion de horas de que se destape la mayor engaña de la historia de la bolsa, las acciones duplicadas en balances que no existen realmente.

Tremendo post (de lo mejor del hilo) y tremendísima conclusión

Importantes los 250 / 255, son el precio mínimo del viernes, deberían actuar un poco como resistencia...

Ahi estamos ahora mismo, 249$....

He puesto otra orden de compra a 191, a ver si cae la breva y entra.

BUY THE DEEP

 

[Nico]

Esta es la filosofia

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Si entraste con $ 50 o $ 100, sin duda.

Si eres un retarded que pensó que se hacía rico y entraste con $ 30.000 de tu fondo de estudios (o tus ahorros) a $ 350, llorarás en un rincón como un perro apaleado. 🙄

 

[Perchas]

Si alguno lo pudiese traducir al ingles para publicarlo en wsb seria la leche la verdad.

Aqui tiene la traduccion, con la mecion a usted como autor, no se como se sube a Reddit, que lo haga alguien que sepa

The alleged biggest scam in the history of the stock market, (translated from Spanish)

I have been asked by the author of this analysis called "schopenhauer" that he has made in a Spanish forum called Burbuja.info to translate from Spanish to English and to publish it in this forum

Sorry for the long-windedness, but here is my explanation of what I think is going oThe issue of short positions is not as simple as the explanation that they have to buy them and give them to those who have borrowed them. Short positions can be put options and even call options, going short means that you think the stock is going to go down and there are many ways to go short on something. You can do this by selling people call options at very high prices that you know they will not exercise or by selling or buying other types of call and put options with a common denominator, you believe that the market price of the stock is higher than the actual price of the stock.

It is not mandatory to publish in detail these positions, so it is impossible to know to what extent they are in the hole. Although I suspect a lot.

In this case, all the hedge funds with the elbichito and the company's future knew it was free money to bet against GME. I am sure many of them went VERY short and took very risky positions doing their own thing with public policies to bankrupt the company etcetera there is a lot of this on the internet.


Why do I say the risk is zero? Because the risk of this guy is SUPER EASY to hedge in any scenario including this scenario that has gone viral. There is no sense in the beginning to spend money to hedge something that is sure to happen, they work with a model called VAR corrected with other factors but basically it is the normal distribution. Like when we play poker, very large sigma events that are very large standard deviations are not hedged because it is wasting resources and later can be hedged perfectly well with opposite positions.

How?

If the share rises to 200 euros, you make a put at 180 and thus cover the previous ones at less money. And so on ad infinitum. Each time it goes up, you take new positions that counteract the losses of the previous short position in the opposite direction and limit the losses.
That's why they say Melvin Capital covered the short positions, because it's super simple. The shorts were not covered because it is impossible to cover them at this point without being a black hole vortex of destruction. The stock is worth 30 times more than what they estimated, and if they liquidate all of them, they go to the well. It's enough for them to pay interest every day until the position is closed and off they go, hoping the meme will go away. And besides, they can take and go short again at 300 and wait for it to go down and then take a lot more money than they lose by paying the interest.

Is short squeeze possible? In theory it is possible, if they have many positions of temporary acquisitions of assets and the market volume falls sharply it is possible. But it would require that they have those positions, and it is impossible to know. No matter how much you search the internet you will not find it anywhere.

At this point it is impossible to happen, because the value of the shares is very high and they can not buy them all to reach an agreement and also there are other funds involved that are sharks and want to destroy the rivals, so they will pay interest bleeding little by little and taking advantage of the falls and rises of brutal prices that there are to make cash.

Because one thing is certain, and that is that the volume of shares in the market continues to fall and there are fewer and fewer, which increases volatility. The less shares there are in the market, the more volatility there will be in the prices, and the less real the market value we see on the screen. Why? Because that is the last market trade that has been made for the stock and we don't know who is part of that trade. The funds make short ladder with this, which is to make each other operations to manage this price and that the paper hands release the shares.

A short squeeze is impossible and it is only a matter of time before those retailers leave the meme behind and sell, it is not worth buying so many shares at these prices. Besides, it is not worth it for the other funds to buy a lot of shares and make the price go up, because the more volatility there is, the more money they can make and if it is true that Melvin and others have these short positions, what they are interested in is to buy these shares little by little at a low value in order to kill the competition.

Okay, so we are playing the fool? If the short squeeze is not going to exist, and there are going to be price drops and the funds have repositioned their positions expecting those drops that are going to happen (the stock is worth 20-30 dollars at most) by force of time...does it miccionan that we are giving away money to the funds?

Well, we have come to the real crux of the matter and the reason to hold and the reason why the financial sector's atomic bomb is still on the stage

Do you know how a temporary assignment of assets is accounted for in a company's balance sheet?
Well, you can do it in such a way that there is no derecognition of the assets. That is to say, you can give those assets to another person and they will still be on your balance sheet.

Besides, the other person who receives them, will not have them in your assets. But...and if you lend them again to a third party or sell them to him? Well, this third party will have them in its assets.

And what happens if this third party puts them on sale in the market? Well, suddenly the price will necessarily go down, if instead of having X houses on the market there are 20x houses, the price will go down 20x. Besides, who is going to check where these shares are and ask for the document of the shares in the 21st century? Nobody, well somebody will, I will tell you later.

How? Are you telling me that there are two companies that have these assets on their balance sheet? Yes.

You sent a message that I found curious and it was how a person had added up the number of shares in the SEC reports and there were about 3 or 4 times the number of shares declared than the 80 million shares that GME issued in its day in the stock market. There were about 240 million shares on the balance sheets of different funds. Clearly these bastards had taken these infinite short positions because they knew it was mathematically impossible for the price to go up because there are 240 million shares floating around.

How do I know this? Do you know Burry? He was the one who found in 2008 that banks were doing the same thing with junk mortgages, taking and reading mortgage bond exposures one by one. We are talking about that he read about 10,000 mortgages to calculate that the value of those bonds was not high quality, it was zero and that all the banks had those bonds and it was imminent that they would goto bankrupt or ruin.

Well, this genius has been doing the same thing for two years with these temporary asset disposals. Do you know what he did? He asked for the papers of his GME shares, the physical documents. It took him 3 weeks to find them, because nobody knew who really owned those shares. At this point he went long, because the value of the stock was calculated on the number of shares in the market, not the actual shares of the company. He posted it all in tweets that have since been deleted.

Back to the present, the stock has become a meme and suddenly a lot of people have jumped in to buy it. Not to make purchases or sales, but simply to hold them. Now, they have had to start closing those shorts that used to be closed without even the stock changing hands because the original holder, if you remember, never took them off the balance sheet, he simply lent them out and since the stock always ended up being worth zero or the company went bankrupt, those papers were thrown in the trash garbage can wherever they were directly.

Right now, all those mutual funds that are full of shit because of this situation have gone into chaos. Because no matter if you put or cut a position or do whatever you want, there are people who are holding their shares and it is a matter of time before if those people do not get rid of those shares you cannot return them and here we are not talking about earning or losing interest, it is that they cannot comply with the contracts and it is a different scenario because they will realize that those shares NOBODY knows where they are. People are going to start asking for them as the days are expiring because if you buy the shares on the Revolut app, those shares may take x days but they have to get to the clearing house and the Revolut broker. And those shares in many cases do not exist.

If people are able to endure that all these operations are closed with losses, the shorts that have been redone at higher prices continue to bleed them money, and on top of that they can not give the shares that in theory had sold and borrowed.... we are facing an atomic bomb of about 100 times greater than that of 2008.

That is why we have to hold, the short squeeze is off the table because there is no money in the world anymore to buy the shares and return them to their original owners if they effectively took those short positions that we can not know if they really exist....... they will try to buy time and that's it...... the problem is that it is impossible to calculate how much risk they are taking because every day they have to sell more shares in the market and everything is going down in price brutally.... on Friday the stock market fell the GDP of Germany because the way all these people manage the risk is with VAR models in which when a very rare event happens the cost of those risks skyrockets by infinity, but if it is a normal risk event they have almost no cost.

Right now we are in an event called sigma 2, very rare and clear...they have been called from the risk management departments telling them that they have to provide liquidity to the clearing houses for all the operations they have open...they have to cover the Greek calls...and for that they are selling a lot of shares, and the funds that have not been involved can buy them at a good price.... but not much, because they themselves do not know if they have lent shares that do not exist in reality. It is impossible to calculate the risk anymore and they are simply buying time, but it is a matter of hours before the regulator steps in to see what is going on and why the shares are not being returned.

• The hold makes more sense than ever, not because of a possible short squeeze that made sense when it was worth 100 a share or 180 as they say out there. It makes sense because it is a matter of hours before the biggest scam in the history of the stock market is uncovered, duplicate shares in balance sheets that do not really exist.

 

[Nico]

Uff yo con 20 años perdí muchísimo dinero por los apalancamientos, se me subió a la cabeza y me creí el lobo de wall street xd

Ahora trabajo tengo sueldo etc, y aún así me da tanto respeto el tema que no he sido capaz ni de comprar una acción entera

El que se quema con leche, ve una vaca y llora. 😉

Los "20 años" tienen esas cosas... pensamos que somos más inteligentes que Relleniton Geko. 😉

Permitir a alguien de 20 años "apalancarse" es sólo posible en este mundo de ladrones institucionales. Debería estar prohibido.

 

[anonimocobarde]

Nico me acuerdo de ti en cuánto toque mi precio de entrada me salgo que me estás recordando mi mandamiento de no invertir en lo que no entiendo

HODL PAPER HANDS

PD. Yo aún no he podido entrar 😕

 

[Nico]

Cuánta timidez no se atreve con los 250 precio clave del día de hoy, creo...

Se llama CONTROL, hay que "mover los hilos" para exprimirle al mercado hasta la última gota de sangre.

Si se fueran a $ 0 (que lo hacen si quieren) se acaba el juego.

Si la dejan "flotando en el viento" todavía muchos más retards abrirán la billetera y les regalarán billetes.

¿Tú te niegas a que te regalen dinero?... ellos NO!! 😉

 

[JAED]

En reddit echan pestes de etoro por jugadas sucias.

A mi por unos euros casi me la lía. Primero al principio daba un error al comprar las acciones y después cuando la comprabas no te dejaba quitar el stop loss, a mi casi me corta la cabeza por unos euros. Ahora me deja quitar el stop loss, pero me parece una gran guano Etoro, cuando termine lo de gme me borraré de allí.

 

[Nico]

Vaya aprendices de brujo Paco traders que estamos hechos yo estoy mirando el gráfico sin más y haciendo un poco de chamanismo de análisis técnico Paco pero recordar (y no es broma) que soy un retard total respecto de la bolsa y no tengo ni idea ....

Pero seguramente tu billetera está a salvo. No te sientas mal. Verlo desde barrera es gratis (menos emocionante, pero gratis) 😉

 

[Malditos_Usureros]

Aquí un retard mas.
¿Que, me hago una cuenta en eToro y pillo un par de acciones?

Ni se te ocurra con eToro, hoy estaban poniéndole stop loss a los clientes automáticamente, vendiendo sus acciones y quitándoles el dinero.

 

[Nico]

Muchas cosas estamos viendo que huelen muy mal... parece como que el Rey empieza a desvestirse. Y yo todavía sin poder comprar...

El "Rey" va vestido de august hace AÑOS !!, lo que pasa es que algunos jóvenes gamers y redditers se vienen a enterar ahora de cómo es el mundo.

No está mal. Alguna vez te tienen que avisar que los Reyes Magos son los padres. 😉

 

[Monarquía Bananera]

Ni se te ocurra con eToro, hoy estaban poniéndole stop loss a los clientes automáticamente, vendiendo sus acciones y quitándoles el dinero.

Casi todo en este mercado es una engaña.

 

[Nico]

Si cerramos en los 320 del otro día a pesar de todo sería una buenísima noticia...

Cada día que se aguantan los precios juega a favor de los retards...

Los precios, desde el viernes, YA LO ESTAN MANEJANDO LOS FONDOS !! 🙄

Lo van a dejar donde sus análisis les digan que tienen más posibilidad de exprimir pardillos (o comerse gacelas, como prefieras).

No descartes que "mágicamente" en las horas finales "suba" a $ 450 y "parezca" que van ganando los retards... con eso, la psicología del novato hará que muchos más compren al menos "una acción" para "vengarse", mientras los Relleniton Gekkos se van esta tarde a sus yates a descorazonarse de los millones que están haciendo.

El día que quieran (o tengan) que cortar esto, bajarán el precio a donde se les salga el nabo. Mientras tanto "jugarán" como un gato con el ratoncillo.

 

[Neo_86]

Soy un puro retard y voy con otro paquete, a tomar por pandero