Vengo de vacaciones en Suiza y me he deprimido

[Ardafilo]

Me nutre ver la cantidad de podemitas echando espuma por la boca cuando se critica al paraíso comunista Español y al malvado (sic) sistema financiero Suizo (De los primeros países en implantar medidas de prevención de blanqueo de capitales, Buscar en internet un poco).

Aqui está la biblia de los que critican a Suiza. Ese gran periodista llamado Ignacio Escolar y ese magnífico periódico diario.es (ironic mode off). A propósito, como podéis leer tuvo que editar el artículo a los dos días Porque lo pusieron de petulante para arriba.

Suiza es un Estado criminal

Que sí, que sí, hombre, que sí, Podemita lo será usted, que defiende a quienes LE ROBAN:

Massive Leak Reveals Swiss Banking Secrets of Drug Cartels, Arms Dealers and Dictators

Massive Leak Reveals Swiss Banking Secrets of Drug Cartels, Arms Dealers and Dictators
By Tom McKay
Feb. 9, 2015
In 2007, IT technician Hervé Falciani of the Swiss banking arm of British bank HSBC fled to France with a massive treasure trove of banking data stolen from his former employer. He revealed endemic corruption at HSBC, including account information for many of the world's richest tax evaders.
Now, an investigation by the Guardian, the French paper Le Monde, BBC Panorama and other journalists working with the Washington-based International Consortium of Investigative Journalists has dug through those files and come to some astonishing conclusions.
The Guardian reports that HSBC illegally allowed clients to withdraw huge amounts of cash in whichever currency they requested, marketed secret bank accounts to wealthy tax-dodgers and concealed "black" accounts from authorities.
From 2005 to 2007, the bank helped more than $120 billion in 30,000 accounts drop off the map, hidden from taxation and government regulators. The report shows that the accounts are "associated with more than 100,000 people and legal entities from more than 200 nations, ranging from the legitimate to the illicit," Bloomberg reported.
"These revelations confirm that banking secrecy has been used to avoid taxation," Vanessa Mock, a European Union spokeswoman for tax affairs, told Bloomberg on Monday. But the worst part isn't necessarily that clients were avoiding taxes, the worst part is who some of their clients were.

Jean-Claude 'Baby Doc' DuvalierRamon Espinosa/AP
A wretched hive of scum and villainy: Bloomberg reports that the full list of account holders include "drug cartels, arms dealers, tax evaders and fugitive diamond merchants," as well as "terror suspects" and people linked to autocratic regimes.
HSBC provided a secret account for Frantz Merceron, political operative for the late Haitian President Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier, who was accused of embezzling hundreds of millions before fleeing his country. One of Duvalier's former finance ministers, Merceron personally arranged the dictator's exit strategy and even escorted couriers handling bags of cash.
Merceron wasn't the only former government official to find a safe haven in HSBC. A finance minister who fled Egypt during the 2011 protests against then-President Hosni Mubarak, Rachid Mohamed Rachid, had an account worth $31 million.
Another client was Rami Makhlouf, a Syrian businessman who happens to be the cousin of brutal dictator Bashar al-Assad. According to CNN, Makhlouf is believed to be a major financial supporter of the regime. Diplomatic cables posted through WikiLeaks describe him as one of a "high-profile inner circle members and regime financiers." Makhlouf's assets have been under U.S. sanctions since 2008, and in 2011, the U.S. blacklisted his Syriatel corporation.
The bank also gave a hidey-hole to Gennady Timchenko, a Russian oligarch closely tied to Russian President Vladimir pilinguin whose assets have been targeted by U.S. sanctions. American officials believe he is involved in money laundering.
Other accounts belonged to Mozes Victor Konig, a fugitive diamond dealer on the run from Interpol, and his equally sought-after colleague Kenneth Lee Akselrod. There was also Selim Alguadis, who ICIJ says is "alleged to have supplied sophisticated electrical goods to Libya's secret nuclear weapons project," and Aziza Kulsum, who the U.N. fingered in 2001 as a key player in the illegal coltan trade in Democratic Republic of Congo and a financier of the Burundian civil war in the 1990s.
Falciani's data had previously revealed that HSBC was involved in laundering billions of dollars of drug cartel money, enough to essentially make it one of the biggest players in the underground drug trade.
Unless your name was Osama bin Laden, HSBC would hide your money. But HSBC was content to help stow away his rainy-day fund; three people from the so-called "Golden Chain" of 20 al-Qaida financiers continued to use the bank's services after their names were released.

Bloomberg/Getty Images
This was just one major bank. The world of international banking is rife with fraud, evasion and other financial crimes. As Deutsche Welle's Jasper Sky notes, another major scandal was the forex scam "aimed at manipulating currency exchange rates," which resulted in more than $4 billion in fines for seven of the world's largest banks including JP Morgan Chase and Citigroup. And the forex scam amowed the libor scam, an interest-rate manipulation scheme that implicated 16 major banks.
Since 2008, the Guardian reports that major banks have racked up over $100 billion in fines in the U.S. and Europe, yet only "agonizingly slow" reforms have begun. What the ICIJ revealed at HSBC isn't some strange aberration — it's the way big banks have been doing business for decades.
For years, HSBC got away with it. Who knows what else they and other major financial institutions are hiding?

 

[Lego.]

Mientras la humanidad progresa en cultura y civismo, aquí vamos para atrás.

Éste país será Portugal II, sin acritud para nuestros vecinos, la mitad del país se marchará, somos muchos los que pensamos como el op, y la crisis que viene nos dará el empujoncito que necesitamos para largarnos.

Repetimos historia, J. Goytisolo

Amarga como la tuera: así define su patria chica el mozo que, tendido con vosotros sobre la arena, abarca con un vago ademán del brazo el país áspero y calcinado, la playa desdibujada por la calima, el pueblo blanco y escueto, sumido en el letargo abisal de la siesta : tierra expoliada y exangüe, minas abandonadas, chimeneas en ruina, negruzca profusión de escoriales : testimonios de una euforia pasada que agravan por contraste la inhóspita impresión de indigencia : vidas horizontales, bostezo de cuevas, desolación calcárea, pertinacia ancestral : mujeres de luto, prematuramente gastadas, cargadas de cántaros junto al aguaducho : campesinos sonámbulos, reatas de mulas, hombres callados y tristes acogidos a la paz de un sombrajo : ninguna mudanza ni expectativa de cambio : soledad, reiteración, monotonía, deseos de huída, de sacudir el polvo adherido a la suela de los zapatos : emigrar a Madrid, Barcelona, Francía, adonde sea : el precio de un billete de autocar y una maleta con su única herencia : su condena brutal y tambien su esperanza.

A Goytisolo le dedica unos minutos mi youtubera favorita

 

[Knabenschiessen]

Este artículo es algo mas reciente que el tuyo. De hace 2 días. El banco Suizo UBS ha echado a 17 empleados en los últimos meses y canceló las cuentas de unos cuantos amigos de Maduro y Chávez, cuando detectó que el dinero venía de esos criminales.

Supongo que el dinero estará ahora en el Santander o el BBVA. Pero claro, Eso nunca lo sabremos. El secreto bancario es solo de los malvados y criminales Suizos (sic). Los bancos Españoles son limpios, claros y cristalinos. Solo hay ver como murió Emilio Botin, de viejo y en la cama...

Aqui está el artículo

UBS Severs Ties With Some Wealthy Venezuelans Amid Sanctions


UBS Severs Ties With Some Wealthy Venezuelans Amid Sanctions

This content was published on August 7, 2020 - 13:49August 7, 2020 - 13:49
(Bloomberg) -- UBS Group AG is severing ties with some Venezuelan clients it serves from the U.S. as the Trump administration tightens sanctions on a country that’s mired in a power struggle.
The decision affects a number of accounts with links to Venezuela’s government or to Petroleos de Venezuela SA, the state-owned oil company, according to people familiar with the decision. It comes after the bank conducted an in-depth review and decided some relationships didn’t warrant the compliance risks, the people said, asking not to be identified in disclosing internal information.
At least 17 U.S.-based advisers with Venezuelan customers have left UBS in the past nine months, according to the people and publicly available documents. Those that remain are being asked to step up their due diligence on Venezuelan clients and their funds, the people said.
UBS declined to comment.
Banks are increasing their compliance efforts after paying billions of dollars over the past years for violating U.S. sanctions or running afoul of anti-money laundering laws. Venezuela has become a particular concern after the Trump administration in April escalated measures against the country’s oil industry in an effort to encourage regime change. Last month, Switzerland amowed other European countries in imposing sanctions on 11 Venezuelan officials.
UBS manages an estimated $2 billion to $3 billion in assets for rich Venezuelans from the U.S., one of the people said, a relatively minor amount compared with the rest of its Latin American business. A small number of customers from the Latin American country are booked in Switzerland, said one of the people. Those accounts are not being closed.
UBS doesn’t publicly disclose how much wealth it manages for Latin Americans, but in a 2018 presentation to investors it put the figure at 108 billion francs ($118 billion). The bank has seen an increase in new money from the region in recent months as clients sought the perceived safety of a Swiss firm amid the volatility caused by the cobi19 pandemic, Bloomberg reported previously.
Latin America is a fertile market for offshore wealth managers, but it’s also caused headaches at some firms. Earlier this year, Swiss regulator Finma blasted rival bank Julius Baer Group Ltd. for failing to do more to prevent money laundering in its Latin American business. In 2018, one of Baer’s former bankers was sentenced to 10 years in prison for his role in laundering money that was stolen from PDVSA, the oil company.
At UBS, several of the advisers who left the bank were based in the Miami branch, a popular hub for serving Latin America’s richest. Seven of them, who together managed just over $1 billion in Latin American client assets, moved to Raymond James Financial Inc., according to company press releases.
“Raymond James has appropriate cross-border policies to protect clients, advisers and the firm,” a spokesperson for the firm said. “We maintain enhanced AML and supervisory controls over our offshore business, which are heightened for certain countries, including specialized policies and due diligence processes for clients with ties to Venezuela.”
©2020 Bloomberg L.P.
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Que sí, que sí, hombre, que sí, Podemita lo será usted, que defiende a quienes LE ROBAN:

Massive Leak Reveals Swiss Banking Secrets of Drug Cartels, Arms Dealers and Dictators

Massive Leak Reveals Swiss Banking Secrets of Drug Cartels, Arms Dealers and Dictators
By Tom McKay
Feb. 9, 2015
In 2007, IT technician Hervé Falciani of the Swiss banking arm of British bank HSBC fled to France with a massive treasure trove of banking data stolen from his former employer. He revealed endemic corruption at HSBC, including account information for many of the world's richest tax evaders.
Now, an investigation by the Guardian, the French paper Le Monde, BBC Panorama and other journalists working with the Washington-based International Consortium of Investigative Journalists has dug through those files and come to some astonishing conclusions.
The Guardian reports that HSBC illegally allowed clients to withdraw huge amounts of cash in whichever currency they requested, marketed secret bank accounts to wealthy tax-dodgers and concealed "black" accounts from authorities.
From 2005 to 2007, the bank helped more than $120 billion in 30,000 accounts drop off the map, hidden from taxation and government regulators. The report shows that the accounts are "associated with more than 100,000 people and legal entities from more than 200 nations, ranging from the legitimate to the illicit," Bloomberg reported.
"These revelations confirm that banking secrecy has been used to avoid taxation," Vanessa Mock, a European Union spokeswoman for tax affairs, told Bloomberg on Monday. But the worst part isn't necessarily that clients were avoiding taxes, the worst part is who some of their clients were.

Jean-Claude 'Baby Doc' DuvalierRamon Espinosa/AP
A wretched hive of scum and villainy: Bloomberg reports that the full list of account holders include "drug cartels, arms dealers, tax evaders and fugitive diamond merchants," as well as "terror suspects" and people linked to autocratic regimes.
HSBC provided a secret account for Frantz Merceron, political operative for the late Haitian President Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier, who was accused of embezzling hundreds of millions before fleeing his country. One of Duvalier's former finance ministers, Merceron personally arranged the dictator's exit strategy and even escorted couriers handling bags of cash.
Merceron wasn't the only former government official to find a safe haven in HSBC. A finance minister who fled Egypt during the 2011 protests against then-President Hosni Mubarak, Rachid Mohamed Rachid, had an account worth $31 million.
Another client was Rami Makhlouf, a Syrian businessman who happens to be the cousin of brutal dictator Bashar al-Assad. According to CNN, Makhlouf is believed to be a major financial supporter of the regime. Diplomatic cables posted through WikiLeaks describe him as one of a "high-profile inner circle members and regime financiers." Makhlouf's assets have been under U.S. sanctions since 2008, and in 2011, the U.S. blacklisted his Syriatel corporation.
The bank also gave a hidey-hole to Gennady Timchenko, a Russian oligarch closely tied to Russian President Vladimir pilinguin whose assets have been targeted by U.S. sanctions. American officials believe he is involved in money laundering.
Other accounts belonged to Mozes Victor Konig, a fugitive diamond dealer on the run from Interpol, and his equally sought-after colleague Kenneth Lee Akselrod. There was also Selim Alguadis, who ICIJ says is "alleged to have supplied sophisticated electrical goods to Libya's secret nuclear weapons project," and Aziza Kulsum, who the U.N. fingered in 2001 as a key player in the illegal coltan trade in Democratic Republic of Congo and a financier of the Burundian civil war in the 1990s.
Falciani's data had previously revealed that HSBC was involved in laundering billions of dollars of drug cartel money, enough to essentially make it one of the biggest players in the underground drug trade.
Unless your name was Osama bin Laden, HSBC would hide your money. But HSBC was content to help stow away his rainy-day fund; three people from the so-called "Golden Chain" of 20 al-Qaida financiers continued to use the bank's services after their names were released.

Bloomberg/Getty Images
This was just one major bank. The world of international banking is rife with fraud, evasion and other financial crimes. As Deutsche Welle's Jasper Sky notes, another major scandal was the forex scam "aimed at manipulating currency exchange rates," which resulted in more than $4 billion in fines for seven of the world's largest banks including JP Morgan Chase and Citigroup. And the forex scam amowed the libor scam, an interest-rate manipulation scheme that implicated 16 major banks.
Since 2008, the Guardian reports that major banks have racked up over $100 billion in fines in the U.S. and Europe, yet only "agonizingly slow" reforms have begun. What the ICIJ revealed at HSBC isn't some strange aberration — it's the way big banks have been doing business for decades.
For years, HSBC got away with it. Who knows what else they and other major financial institutions are hiding?

 

[Eremita]

Lo dudo mucho, pero si lo han hecho ha sido a causa de esa mentalidad que le han impuesto a usted desde fuera: la que legitima el autodesprecio.

PD. No sé dónde vive usted, ME HAN ROBADO UNAS CIEN VECES MÁS EN EL EXTRANJERO QUE EN ESPAÑA.

Eso es que no tienes nómina en España.

 

[Ardafilo]

Este artículo es algo mas reciente que el tuyo. De hace 2 días. El banco Suizo UBS ha echado a 17 empleados en los últimos meses y canceló las cuentas de unos cuantos amigos de Maduro y Chávez, cuando detectó que el dinero venía de esos criminales.

Supongo que el dinero estará ahora en el Santander o el BBVA. Pero claro, Eso nunca lo sabremos. El secreto bancario es solo de los malvados y criminales Suizos (sic). Los bancos Españoles son limpios, claros y cristalinos. Solo hay ver como murió Emilio Botin, de viejo y en la cama...

Aqui está el artículo

UBS Severs Ties With Some Wealthy Venezuelans Amid Sanctions


UBS Severs Ties With Some Wealthy Venezuelans Amid Sanctions

This content was published on August 7, 2020 - 13:49August 7, 2020 - 13:49
(Bloomberg) -- UBS Group AG is severing ties with some Venezuelan clients it serves from the U.S. as the Trump administration tightens sanctions on a country that’s mired in a power struggle.
The decision affects a number of accounts with links to Venezuela’s government or to Petroleos de Venezuela SA, the state-owned oil company, according to people familiar with the decision. It comes after the bank conducted an in-depth review and decided some relationships didn’t warrant the compliance risks, the people said, asking not to be identified in disclosing internal information.
At least 17 U.S.-based advisers with Venezuelan customers have left UBS in the past nine months, according to the people and publicly available documents. Those that remain are being asked to step up their due diligence on Venezuelan clients and their funds, the people said.
UBS declined to comment.
Banks are increasing their compliance efforts after paying billions of dollars over the past years for violating U.S. sanctions or running afoul of anti-money laundering laws. Venezuela has become a particular concern after the Trump administration in April escalated measures against the country’s oil industry in an effort to encourage regime change. Last month, Switzerland amowed other European countries in imposing sanctions on 11 Venezuelan officials.
UBS manages an estimated $2 billion to $3 billion in assets for rich Venezuelans from the U.S., one of the people said, a relatively minor amount compared with the rest of its Latin American business. A small number of customers from the Latin American country are booked in Switzerland, said one of the people. Those accounts are not being closed.
UBS doesn’t publicly disclose how much wealth it manages for Latin Americans, but in a 2018 presentation to investors it put the figure at 108 billion francs ($118 billion). The bank has seen an increase in new money from the region in recent months as clients sought the perceived safety of a Swiss firm amid the volatility caused by the cobi19 pandemic, Bloomberg reported previously.
Latin America is a fertile market for offshore wealth managers, but it’s also caused headaches at some firms. Earlier this year, Swiss regulator Finma blasted rival bank Julius Baer Group Ltd. for failing to do more to prevent money laundering in its Latin American business. In 2018, one of Baer’s former bankers was sentenced to 10 years in prison for his role in laundering money that was stolen from PDVSA, the oil company.
At UBS, several of the advisers who left the bank were based in the Miami branch, a popular hub for serving Latin America’s richest. Seven of them, who together managed just over $1 billion in Latin American client assets, moved to Raymond James Financial Inc., according to company press releases.
“Raymond James has appropriate cross-border policies to protect clients, advisers and the firm,” a spokesperson for the firm said. “We maintain enhanced AML and supervisory controls over our offshore business, which are heightened for certain countries, including specialized policies and due diligence processes for clients with ties to Venezuela.”
©2020 Bloomberg L.P.
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¿Que lo suizos han colaborado con los EEUU porque Trump les ha amenazado con sanciones como consecuencia del LAVADO DE DINERO DEL RÉGIMEN CHAVISTA, QUE ROBA ATODOS LOS VENEZOLANOS A TRAVÉS DE PEDEVESA CON LA COLABORACIÓN SUIZA?

Puede que el dinero esté en el Santander o en el BBVA, vale ¿tiene pruebas o se lo inventa? PORQUE LO QUE SABEMOS SEGURO ES QUE LO TENÍAN LOS LADRONES SUIZOS.

 

[lefebre]

Envidia un país sin ejército y siendo un cagarro son los dueños

¿De donde sacas que no tiene ejército? ¿Y quién conduce sus carros de combate y pilota los cazas y cazabombarderos de su fuerza aérea, por ejemplo?

 

[Ardafilo]

Eso es que no tienes nómina en España.

Cobre usted en Escandinavia y ya verá el sueño español.

 

[uno_de_tantos]

No lleva mascarilla ni Dios. No ves un papel por el suelo. No grita nadie al hablar. No se cuela nadie en la cola del super. No roba nadie nada, lo que tiene como consecuencia de ello que nadie tiene miedo a ser robado. Apenas ves policía porque son los propios suizos los que harían de policías si haces algo incívico. ¿Qué más os puedo contar? Pues que mientras visitaba el país al mismo tiempo me deprimía. Cierto que es un sitio carísimo para un español (llevábamos bandejas de jamón al vacío en la maleta para hacernos bocadillos, paquismo en vena) , los sueldos están entre los 3000 y los 5000 euros, pueden cobrar el triple o el cuádruple que nosotros pero luego, por ejemplo, el alquiler de la vivienda no es ni mucho menos el triple o cuádruple que nosotros. Es verdad que no hay sanidad pública y que dedican entre 300 y 700 euros mensuales de su sueldo a un seguro privado pero seguro que hasta eso lo han elegido ellos en alguno de sus múltiples referendum, nadie se lo ha impuesto.

Podéis pensar que me he deprimido por el tema de los sueldos o por el tema paisajístico y de las bellezas naturales que he visto durante los 7 días que he estado, pero os juro que no es eso, aunque son 2 cosas que ciertamente te maravillan, impresionantes Lauterbrunnen y los alrededores de Interlaken, aparte de Lucerna, Ginebra, Berna, Zurich etc. La depresión me viene de estar por allí una semana, comprobar el civismo de la gente y la inevitable comparación con España. De verdad que cuando vas a un país así te das cuenta del puñetero infierno y del puñetero ardor de estomago que es España y, sobre todo, los españoles. En Suiza los suizos no pelean entre ellos, no se putean, no se hacen la vida imposible entre ellos. En Suiza te das cuenta de la cantidad de energías que gastamos los españoles en defendernos de orates. Y entiendes entonces por qué los españoles hemos sido siempre soldados tan aguerridos y temidos, no porque tengamos una genética guerrera especial sino porque tenemos el carácter curtido de estar peleando dia a dia en nuestra vida con vecinos que sólo están para jorobarnos la vida. Esto se ve reflejado en una gran película española, "1 franco 14 pesetas" donde el actor y director Carlos Iglesias, hijo de emigrados a Suiza, realiza un emotivo homenaje a sus padres. En un momento de la peli se vuelven a España con los niños (que se han criado en Suiza) y en seguida los chiquillos se deprimen por el panorama humano que tienen que soportar y empiezan a decirle a su padre "esto no me gusta, yo quiero volverme a Suiza". Qué jodidamente real es esa peli, me siento amigablemente en el WC mientras pienso en la fruta...

En Suiza es ciencia ficción que alguien pueda okupar la casa de otro por la fuerza, es impensable que un jovenlandés se cague en una piscina y que eso no tenga consecuencias. Sales del hotel de buena mañana para irte a alguna excursión por los Alpes, te cruzas con un ciudadano anónimo paseando al perro y que no te conoce de nada y te dice buenos dias en alemán.... ¿Cómo puede un país llegar a estos niveles de progreso pero de PROGRESO DE VERDAD y de CIVILIZACIÓN DE VERDAD? Grabaros a fuego en vuestras cabezas esto que os digo, y no hago más que repetir las palabras del forero @ominae: España no es un pais atrasado, es un país boicoteado, donde gastamos la mayoría de nuestras energías en luchar contra los que nos quieren jorobar. De España sólo se salva el patrimonio cultural y de monumentos históricos, nuestras playas, nuestra gastronomía y el Real Madrid (esto último es algo personal, lo reconozco); el resto es basura, empezando por los españoles y continuando con los políticos PERO EN ESE ORDEN, aparte de los medios de comunicación.

Me viene a la mente la peli "La delgada línea roja" cuando al principio el soldado Witt, que ha desertado de la guerra y se ha ido a una isla paradisíaca de la Polinesia, es capturado y el sargento Welsh (Sean Penn) se burla de su idealismo y le dice "En este mundo, un hombre en sí, no es nada. Y no hay otros mundos, sólo este" a lo que Witt le responde "Se equivoca sargento, yo he visto otro mundo, aunque a veces creo que sólo lo imaginé". Es lo mismo que pienso tras volver de Suiza: he visto otro mundo, y deprime saber de lo que seríamos capaz los españoles si nos libráramos de los orates que nos rodean. Podríamos ser como país la fruta leche y somos una fruta hez. Un detalle: yo por las mañanas suelo levantarme con mucha mucosidad y soy de los que cuando salgo a la calle escupe al suelo, lo reconozco y sé que no está bien, pero al menos nunca jamas escupo en la acera, siempre lo hago en la jardinera de un árbol o en una zona donde la gente no pisa. En una semana en Suiza no me he atrevido a escupir al suelo ni una sola vez. Lo juro. Lo cual confirma la teoría psicológica de las "ventanas rotas" referidas al comportamiento humano. Si pasas por una fábrica abandonada y ves que han roto un cristal de una pedrada debes repararlo en seguida porque si no lo reparas es cuestión de tiempo que todos los cristales terminen apedreados. Estas cosas tan básicas en países como Suiza las tienen claras y tú lo hueles en el ambiente.

En resumen, y perdón por el tocho pero tenía que desahogarme con vosotros: Suiza es preciosa e impresionante pero también deprimente. Pero no es que te deprima lo que ves sino lo que te recuerda el pais del que vienes, esa pocilga llena de orates llamada España.

Opino igual que tú de Suiza, y al terminar de leer tu relato e ir a darle un like, he visto que tenías 174 anteriores, esto me ha hecho reflexionar.

En este foro, según el sentir de la mayoría social hay mucho muy de derechas, algo que viene a ser a los ojos del rojerío, exactamente lo contrario a la convivencia y el respeto hacia los demás.

Pues bien, una cantidad tan brutal de likes en unas pocas horas, en un texto que es una loa al civismo, es una clara muestra de donde están los anhelos de los foreros.

También una forma de ver donde se encuentra el egoísmo en nuestro país, donde está la intolerancia, y sobre todo donde está el fanatismo que se cree poseedor de la humanidad en exclusiva, cuando día a día demuestran lo contrario.

Pero no hay solución, lo borregos en su cortedad mental pensarán que los suizos son unos Muy de derechas que por no tener, no tienen ni seguridad social pública. Estúpidos incapaces de razonar, ganado bovino siguiendo el camino marcado, les han dicho que son los buenos, con eso es suficiente.

 

[Apretrujillos]

uy, pero el sol y las tapitas?

 

[saturn]

A ver, no te digo q no tengas razón, Suiza es un país muy civilizado pero también muy tiquismiquis.
Por mi trabajo de compras en una farmacéutica he tratado con bastantes suizos, de España lo q no les gusta es q la gente es muy ruidosa y gritona, pero otra parte piensan que es más desenfadada q en Suiza y eso les permite vivir con más soltura.
De Suiza te cuentan q el país está bien pero q todo es muy normativo y disciplinado. Es el país de los referéndums, cada año hay referéndums por cualquier chorrada, eso ha terminado por exportarse a la vida cotidiana.
Si en tu bloque se puede poner la lavadora hasta las 20h pero un vecino propone como hora máxima las 19h, hay q hacer una votación en la escalera, si gana el sí, todos los vecinos deben acatar.
Parece muy democrático, pero al cabo de los años acabas con un montón de normas q debes acatar, ya sea de vecinos, compañeros de trabajo, clubs a los cuales perteneces e incluso grupos de amigos.
Al final puede ser cansino vivir tan normativizado.

 

[eL PERRO]

No has leído el jilo, hazlo jorobar!
Vas a vomitar. Casi lo hago hasta yo!

Solo con la primera frase ya me da para potar, para soltar, cagarme en sus muertos y cagarme en reputisimo dios. Asi que que se muera ese hijo de la gran fruta

 

[xzess]

Se resume en una palabra DINERO.

Ser el banco de los mayores mafiosos del mundo, tendrá sus beneficios.

 

[Humim]

El ex-piloto de moto gp Jorge Lorenzo vive en lugano, una ciudad preciosa con un lago y muy cerca de milán, italia, sin duda por lo que cuentas debe ser un lugar magnífico para vivir.