Pantxin
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En EEUU que es donde nacio la Osteopatia son considerados doctores. Aqui en España no somos ni pretendemos ser Doctores.
¿Qué opináis de los osteópatas?
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no son considerados doctores , el titulo de doctor se lo dan ellos mismos porque al parecer en Usa son mas liberales con eso ,,,,
la realidad es que son unos magufos y que sus manipulaciones pueden hasta causar daños graves...
la realidad es que son unos magufos y que sus manipulaciones pueden hasta causar daños graves...
Muchas gracias, me has ahorrado redactar un tocho similar. Tendrás que acostumbrarte a la ignorancia y el cuñadeo de estultoes límite como el tal Sunwukung.
En realidad, el principal problema sigue siendo nuestro (para que mencionar a los distintos gobiernos), y es que aunque cada vez la gente tiene más constancia de nuestro desempeño, la labor de información que realizan los colegios y nosotros mismos sigue siendo insuficiente. Mucha gente todavía nos tiene por curanderos y/o masajistas y que decir al respecto de nuestra formación...
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Pantxin
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Estoy teniendo mucha paciencia con usted.
EN EEUU son como son, liberales, y se llaman doctores y? No es nuestro problema y no decimos que somos doctores.
Con respecto a que podemos causar daños graves le repito que se informe usted bien.
TODOS los casos que en España se atribuyen a Fisioterapeutas al final se demuestra que no tenían ningún tipo de estudio.
No se el motivo que le lleva a descalificarnos con esa inquina.
¿QUISO ESTUDIAR FISIOTERAPIA Y NO PUDO?
¿ES USTED UN MASAJISTA FRUSTRADO CON ENVIDIA?
Le recomiendo otra disciplina de la sanidad que igual puede ayudarle...................PSICOLOGIA. Creo que le puede ayudar a canalizar esa envidia que muestra y por supuesto le recomiendo que antes de hablar sobre algún tema se documente, sus comentarios no aportan nada.
Un cordial saludo
Dan Daly
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Hace unos años visité a un osteópata por un problema de hernia discal. Lo hice tras pasar por un rosario de médicos rehabilitadores, fisioterapeutas, acupuntores y demás gente similar, que no me sacaron el dolor pero sí el dinero y el tiempo. Este osteópata era médico también y se sacó lo de la osteopatía en un máster en la facultad de medicina tras la carrera. Fui a varias sesiones con él y fue el único que me dejaba medio bien, no me curó pero me alivió bastante, mientras que los demás solo me dejaron peor o igual.
Pantxin
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Veo que usted esta documentadisimo aportando datos y pruebas irrefutables desde su conocimiento del tema, que deduzco que su profesión es inspector sanitario, porque una erudición y un dominio de las ciencias de la salud tan amplio es imposible de alcanzar sin estudios.
Le doy encarecidamente las gracias porque hoy por la tarde pienso cerrar la consulta definitivamente, ya no puedo soportar la presión de en estos últimos 20 años asesinar a miles de personas que pasaron por mi consulta amen de los miles que deje tetraplejicos por romperles el cuello cual Bruce Lee.
No se como a día de hoy no salgo en la prensa mundial como el mayor malo de la historia.
Mañana empiezo un curso de macrame, espero que esto le parezca bien, a ver si dejo de apiolar a gente.
Mil gracias, documentao.
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Osteopath, Mr B Osteopathy Clinic A Report by the Deputy Health and ...
https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/.../HDC%20CASE%201601803.pdf
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sought treatment of her recent injuries from an osteopath, Mr B. 2. At the first ... 1 fracture dislocation with a burst fracture at C5), causing incomplete tetraplegia. 2.
Osteopath, Mr B Osteopathy Clinic A Report by the Deputy Health and ...
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sought treatment of her recent injuries from an osteopath, Mr B. 2. At the first ... 1 fracture dislocation with a burst fracture at C5), causing incomplete tetraplegia. 2.
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y toma Moreno: Another wheelchair filled with the help of a chiropractor
Another wheelchair filled with the help of a chiropractor
Published Thursday 08 August 2013
Upper spinal manipulation, the signature-treatment of many chiropractors is by no means free of serious risks. Most chiropractors negate this, but can any reasonable person deny it? Neurosurgeons from New York have just published an interesting case-report in this context:
A 45 year old male with presented to his internist with a two-week history of right sided neck pain and tenderness, accompanied by tingling in the hand. The internists’ neurological examination revealed nothing abnormal, except for a decreased range of motion of the right arm. He referred the patient to a chiropractor who performed plain X-rays which apparently showed “mild spasm” (how anyone can see spasm on an X-ray is beyond me!). No magnetic resonance imaging study was done.
The chiropractor proceeded manipulating the patient’s neck on two successive days. By the morning of the third visit, the patient reported extreme pain and difficulty walking. Without performing a new neurological examination or obtaining a magnetic resonance study, the chiropractor manipulated the patient’s neck for a third time.
Thereafter, the patient immediately became quadriplegic. Despite undergoing an emergency C5 C6 anterior cervical diskectomy/fusion to address a massive disc found on the magnetic resonance scan, the patient remained quadriplegic. There seemed to be very little doubt that the quadriplegia was caused by the chiropractic spinal manipulation.
The authors of this report also argue that a major point of negligence in this case was the failure of both the referring internist and chiropractor to order a magnetic resonance study of the cervical spine prior to the chiropractic manipulations. In his defence, the internist claimed that there was no known report of permanent quadriplegia resulting from neck manipulation in any medical journal, article or book, or in any literature of any kind or on the internet. Even the quickest of literature searches discloses this assumption to be wrong. The first such case seems to have been published as early as 1957. Since then, numerous similar reports have been documented in the medical literature.
The internist furthermore claimed that the risk of this injury must be vanishingly small given the large numbers of manipulations performed annually. As we have pointed out repeatedly, this argument is pure speculation; under-reporting of such cases is huge, and therefore exact incidence figures are anybody’s guess.
The patient sued both the internist and the chiropractor, and the total amount of the verdict was $14,596,000.00 the internist’s liability was 5% ($759,181.65).
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Another wheelchair filled with the help of a chiropractor
Published Thursday 08 August 2013
Upper spinal manipulation, the signature-treatment of many chiropractors is by no means free of serious risks. Most chiropractors negate this, but can any reasonable person deny it? Neurosurgeons from New York have just published an interesting case-report in this context:
A 45 year old male with presented to his internist with a two-week history of right sided neck pain and tenderness, accompanied by tingling in the hand. The internists’ neurological examination revealed nothing abnormal, except for a decreased range of motion of the right arm. He referred the patient to a chiropractor who performed plain X-rays which apparently showed “mild spasm” (how anyone can see spasm on an X-ray is beyond me!). No magnetic resonance imaging study was done.
The chiropractor proceeded manipulating the patient’s neck on two successive days. By the morning of the third visit, the patient reported extreme pain and difficulty walking. Without performing a new neurological examination or obtaining a magnetic resonance study, the chiropractor manipulated the patient’s neck for a third time.
Thereafter, the patient immediately became quadriplegic. Despite undergoing an emergency C5 C6 anterior cervical diskectomy/fusion to address a massive disc found on the magnetic resonance scan, the patient remained quadriplegic. There seemed to be very little doubt that the quadriplegia was caused by the chiropractic spinal manipulation.
The authors of this report also argue that a major point of negligence in this case was the failure of both the referring internist and chiropractor to order a magnetic resonance study of the cervical spine prior to the chiropractic manipulations. In his defence, the internist claimed that there was no known report of permanent quadriplegia resulting from neck manipulation in any medical journal, article or book, or in any literature of any kind or on the internet. Even the quickest of literature searches discloses this assumption to be wrong. The first such case seems to have been published as early as 1957. Since then, numerous similar reports have been documented in the medical literature.
The internist furthermore claimed that the risk of this injury must be vanishingly small given the large numbers of manipulations performed annually. As we have pointed out repeatedly, this argument is pure speculation; under-reporting of such cases is huge, and therefore exact incidence figures are anybody’s guess.
The patient sued both the internist and the chiropractor, and the total amount of the verdict was $14,596,000.00 the internist’s liability was 5% ($759,181.65).
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Dozens more chiropractic injury reports also listed here (including tetrapelgia and Locked-In Syndrome):
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And here are two more:
Quadriplegia after chiropractic manipulation in an infant with congenital torticollis caused by a spinal cord astrocytoma:
An infant with congenital torticollis (twisted neck) underwent chiropractic manipulation, and within a few hours had respiratory insufficiency, seizures, and quadriplegia. Journal of Pediatrics (February 1992)
Quadriplegia after chiropractic manipulation in an infant with congenital torticollis caused by a spinal cord astrocytoma. - PubMed - NCBI
Catastrophic complication of chiropractic manipulation: A report of quadriparesis: “Spinal manipulative therapy is a frequently applied therapy for back and neck pain. Carotid and vertebral artery trauma, cerebellar and brainstem stroke, fracture of odontoid process, and atlantoaxial dislocation due to chiropractic manipulation have been reported in the literature. We report an occurrence of quadriparesis after chiropractic manipulation…We believe that the manipulation in this patient led to the para central C6-C7 disc protrusion and subsequent quadriparesis due to temporal association with the maneuver, clinical plausibility, and lack of alternate explanation. Although the absolute risk due to neck manipulation is small, the risk-to-benefit ratio of manipulation for neck pain and prolapsed disc is unacceptably high.” American Journal of Medicine (November 2009)
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(09)00583-X/fulltext
One victim has even written a book about his chiropractic quadraplegia injury using a mouth/headstick:
Locked In: Chiropractic adjustment gone wrong
For forty-one year old Scott Tatro, owner of a successful excavation business, the summer of 2000 was typically busy until pain and soreness brought him to see a chiropractor, expecting to be back at work the next day. He would never return, instead relegated to a completely immobile position for months due to a brain stem stroke and resultant Locked-in Syndrome that occurred during treatment. His book, Locked In, completely compiled by using a mouth/headstick to type, details the unimaginable difficulties the condition presents and the heroic courage necessary to function at the most minimal level of movement.
https://scottslockedin.com/Home_Page.html
Dozens more chiropractic injury reports also listed here (including tetrapelgia and Locked-In Syndrome):
Wayback Machine
And here are two more:
Quadriplegia after chiropractic manipulation in an infant with congenital torticollis caused by a spinal cord astrocytoma:
An infant with congenital torticollis (twisted neck) underwent chiropractic manipulation, and within a few hours had respiratory insufficiency, seizures, and quadriplegia. Journal of Pediatrics (February 1992)
Quadriplegia after chiropractic manipulation in an infant with congenital torticollis caused by a spinal cord astrocytoma. - PubMed - NCBI
Catastrophic complication of chiropractic manipulation: A report of quadriparesis: “Spinal manipulative therapy is a frequently applied therapy for back and neck pain. Carotid and vertebral artery trauma, cerebellar and brainstem stroke, fracture of odontoid process, and atlantoaxial dislocation due to chiropractic manipulation have been reported in the literature. We report an occurrence of quadriparesis after chiropractic manipulation…We believe that the manipulation in this patient led to the para central C6-C7 disc protrusion and subsequent quadriparesis due to temporal association with the maneuver, clinical plausibility, and lack of alternate explanation. Although the absolute risk due to neck manipulation is small, the risk-to-benefit ratio of manipulation for neck pain and prolapsed disc is unacceptably high.” American Journal of Medicine (November 2009)
http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(09)00583-X/fulltext
One victim has even written a book about his chiropractic quadraplegia injury using a mouth/headstick:
Locked In: Chiropractic adjustment gone wrong
For forty-one year old Scott Tatro, owner of a successful excavation business, the summer of 2000 was typically busy until pain and soreness brought him to see a chiropractor, expecting to be back at work the next day. He would never return, instead relegated to a completely immobile position for months due to a brain stem stroke and resultant Locked-in Syndrome that occurred during treatment. His book, Locked In, completely compiled by using a mouth/headstick to type, details the unimaginable difficulties the condition presents and the heroic courage necessary to function at the most minimal level of movement.
https://scottslockedin.com/Home_Page.html
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Stephen Barrett, M.D., Founder of Quackwatch, has written an article about chiropractor-induced stroke: Here’s an excerpt:
“Stroke from chiropractic neck manipulation occurs when an artery to the brain ruptures or becomes blocked by a clot as a result of being stretched. The injury often results from extreme rotation in which the practitioner’s hands are placed on the patient’s head in order to rotate the cervical spine by rotating the head… The vertebral artery … is vulnerable because it winds around the topmost cervical vertebra (atlas) to enter the skull, so that any abrupt rotation may stretch the artery and tear its delicate lining. The anatomical problem is illustrated on page 7 of The Chiropractic Report, July 1999. A blood clot formed over the injured area may subsequently be dislodged and block a smaller artery that supplies the brain. Less frequently, the vessel may be blocked by blood that collects in the vessel wall at the site of the dissection…
“Chiropractors would like you to believe that the incidence of stroke ***owing neck manipulation is extremely small. Speculations exist that the risk of a serious complication due to neck manipulation are somewhere between one in 40,000 and one in 10 million manipulations. No one really knows, however, because (a) there has been little systematic study of its frequency; (b) the largest malpractice insurers won’t reveal how many cases they know about; and (c) a large majority of cases that medical doctors see are not reported in scientific journals.”
“Stroke from chiropractic neck manipulation occurs when an artery to the brain ruptures or becomes blocked by a clot as a result of being stretched. The injury often results from extreme rotation in which the practitioner’s hands are placed on the patient’s head in order to rotate the cervical spine by rotating the head… The vertebral artery … is vulnerable because it winds around the topmost cervical vertebra (atlas) to enter the skull, so that any abrupt rotation may stretch the artery and tear its delicate lining. The anatomical problem is illustrated on page 7 of The Chiropractic Report, July 1999. A blood clot formed over the injured area may subsequently be dislodged and block a smaller artery that supplies the brain. Less frequently, the vessel may be blocked by blood that collects in the vessel wall at the site of the dissection…
“Chiropractors would like you to believe that the incidence of stroke ***owing neck manipulation is extremely small. Speculations exist that the risk of a serious complication due to neck manipulation are somewhere between one in 40,000 and one in 10 million manipulations. No one really knows, however, because (a) there has been little systematic study of its frequency; (b) the largest malpractice insurers won’t reveal how many cases they know about; and (c) a large majority of cases that medical doctors see are not reported in scientific journals.”
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Spine (Phila Pa 1976). 2005 Jun 15;30(12):E340-2.
Intracranial hypotension induced by cervical spine chiropractic manipulation.
Suh SI1, Koh SB, Choi EJ, Kim BJ, Park MK, Park KW, Yoon JS, Lee DH.
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STUDY DESIGN:
Case report.
OBJECTIVES:
We report a case of intracranial hypotension ensuing after a spinal chiropractic manipulation leading to cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) isodense effusion in the upper cervical and thoracic spine.
SUMMARY OF BACKGROUND DATA:
The etiology of intracranial hypotension is not fully understood, but CSF leakage from spinal meningeal diverticula or dural tears may be involved.
METHODS:
A 36-year-old woman presented with neck and both shoulder pain 4 days earlier. She undertook a spinal chiropractic manipulation. After this maneuver, she complained of a throbbing headache with nausea and vomiting. Her headache worsened, and lying down gave the only measure of limited relief. In CSF study, it showed dry tapping. Brain MRI showed pachymeningeal gadolinum enhancement. Thoracic spine MRI showed CSF leakage. After admission to the hospital, she was treated by hydration and pain control over several days. However, her headache did not improve.
RESULTS:
She was treated by epidural blood patch. Afterwards, her headache was improved. This is the first case of spontaneous intracranial hypotension in which spinal chiropractic manipulation coincided with the development of symptoms and in which a CSF collection in the upper cervical and thoracic spine was demonstrated radiographically in Korea.
CONCLUSIONS:
From this case, we can understand the etiology of intracranial hypotension and consider the complication of chiropractic manipulation.
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Intracranial hypotension induced by cervical spine chiropractic manipulation.
Suh SI1, Koh SB, Choi EJ, Kim BJ, Park MK, Park KW, Yoon JS, Lee DH.
Author information
Abstract
STUDY DESIGN:
Case report.
OBJECTIVES:
We report a case of intracranial hypotension ensuing after a spinal chiropractic manipulation leading to cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) isodense effusion in the upper cervical and thoracic spine.
SUMMARY OF BACKGROUND DATA:
The etiology of intracranial hypotension is not fully understood, but CSF leakage from spinal meningeal diverticula or dural tears may be involved.
METHODS:
A 36-year-old woman presented with neck and both shoulder pain 4 days earlier. She undertook a spinal chiropractic manipulation. After this maneuver, she complained of a throbbing headache with nausea and vomiting. Her headache worsened, and lying down gave the only measure of limited relief. In CSF study, it showed dry tapping. Brain MRI showed pachymeningeal gadolinum enhancement. Thoracic spine MRI showed CSF leakage. After admission to the hospital, she was treated by hydration and pain control over several days. However, her headache did not improve.
RESULTS:
She was treated by epidural blood patch. Afterwards, her headache was improved. This is the first case of spontaneous intracranial hypotension in which spinal chiropractic manipulation coincided with the development of symptoms and in which a CSF collection in the upper cervical and thoracic spine was demonstrated radiographically in Korea.
CONCLUSIONS:
From this case, we can understand the etiology of intracranial hypotension and consider the complication of chiropractic manipulation.
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- Manipulation of the cervical spine could have induced intracranial hypotension. [Spine (Phila Pa 1976). 2005]
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Otro cuñao demorado riendose sin tener ni fruta idea de lo que habla. CuñaaaaaaaaaooooooooooJajajaja, la universidad del nabo...
En concreto esta universidad, muy reconocida en el mundo académico:
University College of Osteopathy
La universidad de osteopatia !
Donde sí no ?
Jajaja.. pero ojo, antes se llamaba colegio británico de osteopatia.. ahora es universidad
Y se declaran como poseedores del único grado de osteopatia en Europa
Jajaja
Formerly the British School of Osteopathy, the University College of Osteopathy is the leading provider of osteopathic education. As the only degree-awarding osteopathic institution in Europe, our evidence-informed approach to healthcare, clinical practice and research has been leading the profession for over 100 years.
Si es que no se os puede dejar solos
Jajajaja
