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Los tiene bien plantados, se esta enfrentando a lobbys muy poderosos y ya no es su futuro politico, si no que se esta jugando el fisico, si fuera una marioneta, pues sencillamente no se complicaba la vida.
Caes enfermo y no tienes dinero. Elige qué sistema medico quieres: EEUU o España. Elígelo aquí y ahora.
En realidad no parece que su interés sea crear ex-novo una sanidad pública de corte español (porque en otros países de Europa hay sistemas altamente privatizados que funcionan muy bien), sino más bien forzar a las aseguradoras a aceptar a algunos clientes que rechazan y, sobre todo, a aquellos que ahora SE NIEGAN (son unos cuantos millones) a hacerse un seguro a que, si cuentan con medios ,se lo hagan. Luego imagino que se revisarán los umbrales de acceso al MEDICAID y poco más,que en EEUU seguros públicos no es que haya, sino que son una parte enorme del gasto,de hecho suman más que el gasto total español, lo que hay es una serie de ineficiencias y disparates regulatorios de los que ya se ha hablado mucho en este foro.
Veo que hay muchas personas que abren constantemente el mismo hilo o,peor, cuando no les gusta lo que les contestan en uno esperan unos días para abrir otro.
Obama miente como un bellaco.
Si la intervención estatal consiguiese de verdad servicios mejores y más baratos (y eso es lo que promete Obama) Cuba y Corea del Norte serían los países con mayor nivel de vida del planeta.
Para colmo, la mayor parte de las enfermedades tienen su origen en el estilo de vida del enfermo:
* Diabéticos con pésimas dietas.
* Moteros con lesiones.
* Enfisemáticos fumadores.
* Cardiópatas con sobrepeso...
El plan de Obama entre otras cosas quiere OBLIGAR a las aseguradores privadas a no rehusar ningún asegurado, eliminando la responsabilidad individual por la salud y OBLIGANDO a otros a pagar los gastos que uno genere.
Con respecto a la señora de la válvula de 10000$
* Murió. Así es la vida. Y esa es la consecuencia de NO AHORRAR. Si uno no tiene 7000€ para algo que (teóricamente) es un asunto de vida o fin, no sé en que ha estado uno gastando el dinero.
* Lo mismo mueren cada año en España miles de personas por llevar un coche obsoleto (más inseguro), tener que andar en ciclomotor por no tener pelas para un coche, o ancianos de calor por no tener aire acondicionado, o carbonizados por no tener instalados detectores de incendios y aspersores automáticos (sprinklers) en casa.
¿Cuántas vidas se salvarían al año si todos los hogares tuviesen Sprinklers?.
¿Es esto causa suficiente como para que gastemos dinero extraído a punta e pistola (impuestos) para regalar todo lo que he puesto en negritas?.
Mexico's health care lures Americans
Mexico's health care lures Americans - USATODAY.com
By Chris Hawley, USA TODAY
MEXICO CITY — It sounds almost too good to be true: a health care plan with no limits, no deductibles, free medicines, tests, X-rays, eyeglasses, even dental work — all for a flat fee of $250 or less a year.
To get it, you just have to move to Mexico.
As the United States debates an overhaul of its health care system, thousands of American retirees in Mexico have quietly found a solution of their own, signing up for the health care plan run by the Mexican Social Security Institute.
The system has flaws, the facilities aren't cutting-edge, and the deal may not last long because the Mexican government said in a recent report that it is "notorious" for losing money. But for now, retirees say they're getting a bargain.
"It was one of the primary reasons I moved here," said Judy Harvey of Prescott Valley, who now lives in Alamos, Sonora. "I couldn't afford health care in the United States. … To me, this is the best system that there is."
It's unclear how many Americans use IMSS, but with between 40,000 and 80,000 U.S. retirees living in Mexico, the number probably runs "well into the thousands," said David Warner, a public policy professor at the University of Texas.
"They take very good care of us," said Jessica Moyal, 59, of Hollywood, Fla., who now lives in San Miguel de Allende, Mexico, a popular retirement enclave for Americans.
The IMSS plan is primarily designed to support Mexican taxpayers who have been paying into the system for decades, and officials say they don't want to be overrun by bargain-hunting foreigners.
"If they started flooding down here for this, it wouldn't be sustainable," said Javier Lopez Ortiz, IMSS director in San Miguel de Allende.
Pre-existing conditions aren't covered for the first two years, and some newer medicines and implants are not free. IMSS hospitals don't have frills such as televisions or in-room phones, and they often require patients to bring family members to help with bathing and other non-medical tasks. Most doctors and nurses speak only Spanish, and Mexico's overloaded court system doesn't provide much recourse if something goes wrong.
But the medical care doesn't cost a dime after paying the annual fee, and it is usually good, retirees and health experts say. Warner said most American retirees enroll in IMSS as a form of cheap insurance against medical emergencies, while using private doctors or traveling back to the USA for less urgent care. Medicare, the U.S. insurance plan for retirees, cannot be used outside the United States.
Program prompts relocation
The program has helped people such as Ron and Jemmy Miller of Shawano, Wis. They decided to retire early, but knew affording health care was going to be a problem.
Ron was a self-employed contractor, and Jemmy was a loan officer at a bank. At ages 61 and 52, respectively, they were too young to qualify for Medicare, but too old to risk not having health insurance.
"We knew that we couldn't retire without Medicare," Jemmy Miller said. "We're pretty much in Mexico now because we can't afford health care in the States."
The couple learned about IMSS from Mexico guidebooks and the Internet. They moved to the central city of Irapuato in 2006, got residency visas as foreign retirees, and then enrolled in IMSS.
The IMSS system is similar to an HMO in the United States, Jemmy Miller said. Patients are assigned a primary care physician and given a passport-size ID booklet that includes records of appointments. The doctor can refer patients to specialists, a bigger hospital or one of the IMSS specialty hospitals in cities such as Guadalajara or Mexico City.
In 2007, Ron Miller got appendicitis and had emergency surgery at the local IMSS hospital. He was in the hospital for about a week and had a double room to himself. The food was good, the nurses were attentive, and doctors stopped by three or four times a day to check on him, he said. At the end of it all, there was no bill, just an entry in the ID booklet.
The Millers may soon move back to the United States, but Jemmy Miller said they want to try to maintain the IMSS coverage. "If something big really comes up, we'd probably come back to Mexico," she said.
Different levels of care offered
IMSS is one of several public health systems in Mexico, each with its own network of hospitals and clinics. The program, which was founded in 1943, is funded by a combination of payroll deductions, employer contributions and government funds. It covers 50.8 million workers.
IMSS facilities are a step up from the state hospitals, but not as advanced as Mexico's private hospitals, which are often world-class, said Curtis Page, a Tempe, Ariz., doctor and co-author of a book about health care in Mexico.
Most patients seem grateful nonetheless. When Michael Kirkpatrick, 63, of Austin, fell off his motorcycle near his home in San Miguel de Allende, IMSS surgeons gave him a stainless-steel artificial hip.
There was no physical rehabilitation after the surgery, just a checkup a few weeks later.
"There was not the kind of amow-through and therapy that you would expect if you were doing this in the first world," Kirkpatrick said. "But it was satisfactory. The hip feels good."
Bob Story, 75, of St. Louis, had prostate-reduction surgery at an IMSS hospital in Mazatlán and discovered that patients were expected to bring their own pillows. It was a small price to pay, he said, for a surgery that would have cost thousands of dollars back home.
"I would say it's better than any health plan I've had in the States," he said.
Hawley is Latin America correspondent for USA TODAY and The Arizona Republic
Cuba es el pais del mundo que consigue un mayor diferencial positivo entre su Renta per Capita y su IDH (Indice de Desarrollo Humano)
Siendo un pais pobre en vias de desarrollo ocupa el puesto número 51 de IDH y el 94 de Renta per Capita. Ningún otro pais del mundo consigue esos 43 puestos de MEJORA.
Lo puedes comprobar en la página 247 del pdf (la 231 de la numeración papel) del informe completo 2007-2008:
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_20072008_SP_Complete.pdf
Es un dato MUY informativo y que muy poca gente sabe.
y dicho esto, te deseo de todo corazón que jamás un problema de salud te obligue a caros tratamientos u operaciones (porque los hay que ni en toda una vida de trabajo podrías pagar)
Posiblemente Cuba lo sea, con respecto al nivel de recursos naturales que consume. ¿Ha oído Vd. hablar algo de sostenibilidad? ¿y del IDH? ¿o estamos hablando que la economía es la cantidad de billetitos que tenga cada país?
Paradojas de la vida el Obama intentando socializar la sanidad y Nuestra Espe empeñada en privatizarla.
Si no se aprueba una reforma sanitaria, "más estadounidenses perderán su cobertura cuando más la necesitan (y) más estadounidenses morirán".
Es terrible, pero la respuesta general allí debe ser algo parecido a: ¿Y?.
Conozco de segunda y primera mano de casos que aquí pondrían los pelos de punta a cualquiera. Del tipo de "Teníamos a una señora con un problema valvular cardíaco. El seguro cubría los gastos de la cirugía menos el de la válvula aórtica -que cuesta 10000 dólares-, que se tenía que pagar de su bolsillo". "¿Y qué pasó?. "Pues nada, que no debió llegar a tiempo de juntar el dinero, porque cuando la volvimos a llamar, ya se habia muerto. Por cierto, muy buen restaurante este y qué bueno está este plato. Cómo lo llamáis.... fabada, no?".
Lo que realmente me aterra de estas cosas es que para ellos, esta mal llamada "anécdota" es.... simplemente.... lo normal. No quiero entrar en discusiones sobre sistemas sanitarios, pero cuando oigo a la gente echar pestes de las salas de espera porque llevan una hora esperando para fichar unas recetas de pensionista... recuerdo esta y otras tantas y ... no sigo.
Saludos.
Tienen un sistema económico que da para que la gente coma y un sistema sanitario que da para que la gente sea medianamente atendida... con unos recursos naturales mínimos. Eso es una proeza.JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA... Claro, como tienen un sistema económico que no da ni para que la gente coma, no consumen casi recursos naturales. Hay que tener muchísima cara para recurrir a un argumento así. El mendigo que veo todos los días en el parque debe ser un ecologista de narices, porque no gasta luz ni petróleo.