Sotogrande: Caídas del 30% en un año (Oct10: 44% ahora)

[Caesar7]

filipinos ??? :XX: pues no he visto ninguna por alla jajaja,,,, ninguno.

 

[dabuti]

Pues en 4 decían que iba parriba con el reportaje de el otro día.
Impagable, 32:40, cuando Astolfi habla de lo que sacan con una "paja" de un semental.


Sotogrande: callejeros en playCuatro

 

[Alice]

Pues en 4 decían que iba parriba con el reportaje de el otro día.
Impagable, 32:40, cuando Astolfi habla de lo que sacan con una "paja" de un semental.


Sotogrande: callejeros en playCuatro

Vi ayer el reportaje: daba la impresión (o al menos quería darla) de que en Sotogrande no se nota la crisis ienso:

 

[cebollo]

El planteamiento es: "Esto es tan caro, tan guay y tan exclusivo que sólo yo puedo pagarlo".
Gilipuertas, si sólo tú puedes pagarlo ¿A quién se lo vas a vender?

 

[vermer]

Este tipo de urbanizaciones me parecen un timo para pijos iluso (perdón por la redundancia). Me parece estupendo que se les saque la pasta a esos trincones. Salvo para gente que pretenda "esconderse" del resto, este tipo de vida es una cosa.

Leo con alegría el megapastón que han pagado esos idiotas por cuatro ladrillos con denominación de origen. Más alegría me da que en no mucho tiempo se degradarán sus jodidas urbanizaciones pagadas con dinero ganado "honradamente" (no excluyo a ningún tipo de delincuente: bancario, inmobiliario, político, narcotraficantes,...)

Por lo demás y para que no se os haga la boca agua a algún "trepilla cutre con aspiraciones", opino que ese tipo de urbanizaciones son una P.M. (hombre, vivir hacinado o en muchos lugares pesimamente urbanizados es peor aún.... daría para una charla amplia)

Con lo cojonudamente bien que se vive en los núcleos de las poblaciones. A unos les gustarán ciudades grandes y a otros pueblos pequeños, pero es una gozada vivir el día a día de la gente, tener los comercios a mano, saludarse con los vecinos (se entiende...), quedar con los amigos, etc. Los otros iluso como mucho se preguntarán por el handicap del campo de golf o se dirán lo mal que está el servicio doméstico.

Con su pan se lo coman.... ñam ñam ñam

 

[jose miguel malaga]

filipinos ??? :XX: pues no he visto ninguna por alla jajaja,,,, ninguno.

las chachas, en invierno cuando los señoritos estan en los madriles esas son las filipinaas que se ven por tostongrande

 

[jose miguel malaga]

Os recomiendo Las viudas de los jueves. Película argentina sobre un grupo de pijazos que viven en una megaurbanización justito antes del corralito y que se están arruinando a marchas forzadas. Otros intentan mantener las apariencias pero están en el paro o viviendo casi en la indigencia. Me llevé una sorpresa muy grata.
Por cierto, no sale Ricardo Darín.

tiene pinta de peliculon

 

[Bulldozerbass]

A ver un segundito que me parece que no sabemos muy bien de lo que hablamos.

Hay DOS Sotograndes, uno al Oeste del rio Guadiaro (ese es el Sotogrande verdaderamente exclusivo y allí no hay apartamentos de lujo, sino mansiones de una media de 5 kilotones de Euros, que no te sueles comprar, sino que te compras un terreno y te la construyes), y la parte del Puerto de Sotogrande, al Este del rio Guadiaro que se construyó creo recordar en 1986, que es para una especie de clase media alta que son los que no les alcanza para el casoplón en alguno de los hoyos del golf. Éstos segundones suelen ser renombrados profesionales liberales y pijos. Los de la orilla Oeste tienen tanta pasta que no parecen ni ricos.
Las propiedades del Este del rio caen en picado, como buen engañabobos que siempre han sido y las del Oeste se mantienen. Hay veces que alguno de los objetos de decoración que se encuentran dentro de esos casoplones pueden costar más que el casoplón en sí.
Es Tostóngrande porque no hay ocio y esparcimiento de copeo y puterío, sino que se organizan grandes fiestones en los casoplones y si mal no recuerdo solía inaugurar la temporada la familia de Garrigues Walker con una fiesta en su casa. Gente eso sí muy conservadora.

Sotogrande - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sotogrande is the largest resort and privately owned residential development in Andalusia. The resort is administered by NH Hotels and is considered part of the NH World. It is located in the municipality of San Roque, Cádiz, Spain, southern Europe and is composed of a 20 square kilometres (8 sq mi) stretch from the Mediterranean Sea 25 km east of Gibraltar, back into the foothills of Sierra Almenara, providing contrasting views of sea, hills, cork forests and green fairways, including the Rock of Gibraltar and Morocco.

Some of the notable people in Sotogrande include long time resident and businessman John Medina, his brother and director of Sotogrande Alex, as well as interior designers Raymond and Patricia Darch, Juan Loyasa, Antonio A. Camerena and Doro Plana, a famous photographer of the area for over 50 years. Regular guests include Peter Caruana, Chief Minister of Gibraltar, and Sarah York and her daughters, Beatrice and Eugenie.




Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Architecture
3 Sport
4 Nature
5 Economy
6 External links
6.1 References

[edit] History
Sotogrande was established by the generous couple Joseph R. MacMicking and Mercedes Zobel y Roxas, both Filipinos.

Joseph or "Joe" was born in Manila, whose father was an American and whose mother was half-Spanish-, half-Filipina. Joe and his athletic brothers were part of the small MacMicking family that managed business interests of American, German and British investors in the Orient. The family name was Scottish in origin. Its actual spelling was McMicking. However, among Manila's heavily-Spanish accentuated elite in the late 1800s to early 1990s, the surname was conveniently spelled MacMicking to avoid the embarrassing mispronunciation of Meek-mikeeng, which alludes to miki or noodles cooked and served to the masses at street stand joints. (Other examples of Hispanized surnames in the Philippines were the Champurcin and Lebumfacil families of France, or Champourcin and Lebuemfacil, respectively).

As the war in the Pacific raged on, he was forced to leave the Philippines for his safety and to be a part of the exiled Philippine Commonwealth government of Manuel Luis Quezon y Molina that was en route from Australia to the United States. Joe became an Intelligence Officer for General Douglas MacArthur during the war efforts against the enemy from Brisbane, Australia. He attained the rank of Colonel.

His childhood friend and sweetheart, Mercedes, stayed behind, shuttling back and forth to the Zobel de Ayala estates in the capital, Manila as well as the Roxas estates in Batangas and Laguna.

Mercedes Zobel de Ayala y Roxas was one of the children of Don Enrique Zobel and his first wife, Consuelo Roxas de Zobel. (When Consuelo died, he married Fermina Montojo, daughter of the Spanish Admiral Montojo who lost in the Battle of Manila Bay against General George Dewey and of the Americans). The Zobels of Hamburg, Germany came to the Philippines centuries ago and became involved in business investments with the heirs of Antonio de Ayala, a poor immigrant from Iberia and was related to the Royal House of the Spanish Bourbons as well as the Ducal House of Alba (Although a direct male heir, he was born “on the wrong side of the bed.”) Later on, they married their children to the far wealthier and moreno Roxas family, heirs of Don Bonifacio Roxas whose landholdings continue to be the largest in the Philippines today.

Joseph and Mercedes met and fell in love when the Zobel de Ayala wealth has reached no growth for some time. Although Mercedes’s family was worth hundreds of millions of dollars then and continued to own large but idle lands, they were no longer the pre-eminent one, as other Filipino families such as the half-Spanish Gorrichos, Pardo de Taveras, Gonzalezes, Tuasons, Aranetas, Elizaldes, and the half-Chinese Palancas, Yuchengcos, Chino Velascos, Cojuangcos, Lopezes (of Iloilo), Ynchaustis and Gotuacos have moved up the ladder. The odds were against the Zobel de Ayala, having been important supporters of the Philippine Revolution, in direct defiance of their blue blood cousins in Spain. In other words, they were no longer the one and only super wealthy billionaire family from Spain’s farthest colony that rumors back in Madrid purport them to be.

Joseph came back to the Philippines and finally married Mercedes amidst the ruins around them: the Ayala and Zobel mansions in San Miguel, Manila were razed to the ground, her father’s polo ponies were either reduced to servicing coach trolleys or were eaten by the Japanese Imperial Army or their Korean stevedores, their loyal farmhands in Hacienda San Pedro de Makati and in Calatagan, Batangas were starving and they barely had any food to provide to them, and many deaths and funerals. What was left were mostly idle lands, a few beer and cigarette factories, and small shares in banks, less valuable properties that were given to Mercedes and her siblings after her mother’s and grandmother’s deaths even decades before the World War.

Determined to make a name for himself, Joseph started developing these old, inconsequential haciendas into centers of business developments such as what the skyscraper-laden Makati district is today. He nurtured back the Azucarera Don Pedro in Batangas, diversified in gold mining, nickel mining, construction, hotels, distilleries, airlines, and partnered with various families to change the face of Manila and make it vibrant again. Joseph and his wife’s many nephews and nieces, primarily Enrique Zobel (son of Angela Olgado with Mercedes’s older brother), entered into lucrative business contracts with the government of Ferdinand Marcos and his wife Imelda Marcos, and even going as far as building the biggest palace in the world, that of the Sultan Hajji Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei. Other nephew Jaime Zobel y Pfitz started moving up the company ladder in the financial side of the Ayala group of companies, most notably in the family-owned Bank of the Philippine Islands, formerly the Banco de Reina Isabel II. In San Francisco, California, he set up a venture capital firm with his brother, Henry. At the same time, Joseph and Mercedes, because of their artistic nephew Alfonso’s suggestion, purchased farms near the Mediterranean in Cuenca to build what is now Sotogrande. At the height of their wealth, the very simple and unassuming couple controlled through their firm Mermac (first syllables of Mercedes and MacMicking) the San Miguel Corporation, Azucarera Don Pedro, Hacienda Calauan, Hacienda Bigaa, Ayala Corporation, Bank of the Philippine Islands plus various haciendas and subsidiaries. Admittedly, Mrs. Mercedes MacMicking remarked numerous times that, “It was he who made us wealthy again” referring to her loving husband Joe. While Joe was the driving force behind Ayala y Cia, he always consulted with wife Mercedes. In fact, in what was once one of the most pivotal moments of their family history, Mercedes Zobel de MacMicking settled the simmering feud between her nephews business whiz Enrique aka Enzo Zobel and Harvard-educated Andres Soriano Jr.---when Enrique Zobel sold the majority of the family shares in San Miguel Corporation (where the Zobel-Sorianos represented the clan's holdings) to Eduardo aka Danding Cojuangco, Mercedes removed her dear nephew Enzo out of the top spot and replaced him with a more neutral nephew, Jaime. Such was the decidedly quick and sharp business sense of Mercedes. By the 1960s, the House of Zobel de Ayala has regained its highest position in society before the Philippine Revolution: they were billionaires once again and richer than the Ducal House of Alba itself.

Mercedes , still without child at this time, poured all of her resources to creating various foundations to uplift the lives of Filipinos such as the Filipinas Heritage Library and the Ayala Foundation. She supported the Catholic Women's League, the Asociacion de Damas Filipinas, the White Cross Orphanage (formerly La Cruz Blanco) opened by her aunt Angela Olgado Zobel's friend, the late heiress Victoria Lopez y Ledesma de Araneta of Iloilo and President Manuel Luis Quezon's wife, the Spanish mestiza Aurora Aragon de Quezon. Mrs. MacMicking above all never forgot how hard it was to see people dying around her--- how it was to be alone during the War years. (The same sentiment was felt by her younger half-sister, Consuelo Zobel y Montojo, who also married an American (General Adler of Hawaii) and was childless. On her death, she bequeathed her much smaller US$260 million dollar estate to the Consuelo Alger Zobel Foundation, for the sole purpose of uplifting the lives of Filipinos and Hawaiians).

[1] As Mercedes's nephews and nieces enlarged her holdings in the Philippines, she and Joe concentrated on Sotogrande. The Zobels, having seen the idyllic coasts in 1962, bought five neighbouring farms, with the idea of creating a luxurious residential development by the Mediterranean. MacMicking succeeded in creating what has become one of the most luxurious urbanizations in Europe, in May 2006 it was antiestéticatured in The Times as having the most expensive homes in Spain. [2] The jet set appeal of Sotogrande lies in the natural beauty of the site, enhanced by the early landscaping, planting of avenues of palm and conifer trees, underground infrastructure and wide, two-lane roads. There are some artificial lakes and 5 golf courses, including the world-famous Valderrama and San Roque courses.

Like King Midas, everything Mr. Joseph McMicking touched would turn into a pile of gold. Sotogrande was successful the same way Joseph's McMicking & Co in the United States and the Ayala companies became prosperous in the Philippines. On top of it all, Sotogrande became a tangible piece of evidence to every Spanish observer that the Zobel de Ayalas, illegitimate relations of the Spanish Kings a long, long time ago, have finally come back after centuries of odyssey in Asia.

Joe and Mercedes spent many of their remaining years in Sotogrande, overseeing their holdings in Manila by way of their trusted lieutenants and the younger Zobel members. Every year, the MacMicking-Zobels flew home to Manila to personally check on their charities and the lives of their grand nieces and grand nephews. Mrs. Mercedes Zobel y Roxas de MacMicking died in her Sotogrande home. Her remains were flown to their mausoleum in Calatagan, Batangas, as per her wishes, to be with the rest of her relatives buried on Roxas soil, the oldest piece of land owned by her ancestors since the 1700s.

[edit] Architecture
Sotogrande is well known as an architectural showcase on the Costa del Sol, with *****s varying from the traditional Andalucian to mid century modern, all the way through 21st century design and even more unusual designs, including moorish/mudejar ***** homes and even a Swiss chalet. In 2008 the local government declared three buildings as of cultural interest, protecting them from reform or demolition. These architectural gems were the Biddle House, by Francisco Javier Carvajal, the Zóbel house by José Antonio Coderch, and the Real Club de Golf by Luis Gutierrez Soto.[3]

[edit] Sport
Today, Sotogrande is renowned for its varied sporting facilities. It has five golf courses in Europe, Valderrama Golf Club host to the European Tour's Volvo Masters and the 1997 Ryder Cup, the Club Real de Golf, Almenara, La Reserva, La Cañada and a Golf Academy; two world famous Polo fields owned by the Santa María Polo Club; two Tennis and Padel Tennis Clubs; the Raquet Centre which specializes in padel tennis and the Octogano which specializes in tennis; two Beach Clubs (Cucurucho,Octogano); a Kayak / Sailing Club, Riding stables and a busy marina where in the center you will find "the" place in Sotogrande, the Cafe KE, the first on entering the Mediterranean. Daily sailingtrips can be booked with Jan Mantel of Salvador Deli.

[edit] Nature
River Guadiaro and Estuary, Sotogrande, a natural area of 27 hectares and the only marshland on this part of the coast, has been designated as an Andalusian National Park, Wildlife and Nature Reserve. A series of pathways has been constructed, with information boards explaining the natural area, enabling nature lovers unobstructed views of the estuary, its wildlife and in particular the migratory birds, on their route to and from Africa.

[edit] Economy
Sotogrande seems to have kept its head above the crisis. Finanzas, a spanish finance publication, says that whilst prices in other areas of the Costa del Sol have taken a fall to the tune of -11.4% in Torremolinos, -10.99% in Fuengirola, -7.4% in Manilva, -5-5% in Casares and -3.4% in Mijas Costa. In Sotogrande average property prices have remained the same or increased, in some cases up to 45%. This phenomena is attributed to the financial status of the residents of the urbanization

 

[Bulldozerbass]

Esto es lo que posiblemente no ha bajado de precio en Sotogrande:

 

[Bulldozerbass]

Y ésto es el bódrio invendible que han construido y gracias al cual la desembocadura del río Guadiaro y el parque natural de su estuario se ha ido yendo a tomar por ojo ciego lentamente desde aquél aciago 1986. Y además se ha llenado de pijos fosforito disfrazados de jugadores de polo, que no hacen más que el ridículo vestidos así los pobrecitos, y que pagaron un pastón por un apartamentucho en el puerto, sólo porque un própio le levanta una barrera por llevar una pegatina en el coche que le identifica como propietario.
Lo que fue un retiro dorado de viejos millonetis a los que se les mejoraba el reumatismo mientras les daba el sol al echarse unos hoyos depués de currar toda la vida en países fríos y húmedos, se ha convertido en una pesadilla fosforito ue ha degradado un paraíso ideal como el Campo de Gibraltar.

 

[JuanSinTierra]

Aquí es donde mas va caer la vivienda junto con el levante. Que intenten vender sus propietarios las casas, y ya verán que susto cuando vean que tienen un tocho por el que nadie está dispuesto a pagar mas de 300.000 cuando ellos pagaron 600.000

Yo no se que pasara en Sotogrande, pero en las ciudades no son los barrios "aristocraticos" los mas afectados por las bajadas de precio. Tampoco el comercio de articulos de lujo pasa por un mal momento: los ricos no van al paro.

 

[azkunaveteya]

esto aumenta su velocidad

La actividad inmobiliaria de Sotogrande cae con fuerza

La actividad inmobiliaria de Sotogrande, empresa inmobiliaria del grupo NH y con sede en San Roque (Cádiz), alcanzó en los primeros nueve meses del año 2010 unos ingresos de 6,48 millones de euros, frente a los 11,59 millones alcanzados en el mismo periodo del año anterior, lo que supone un descenso del 44%, mientras que los ingresos turísticos descendieron un 18%. Según informó Sotogrande en una comunicación remitida a la Comisión Nacional del Mercado de Valores (CNMV), consultada por Europa Press, en el tercer trimestre del año el descenso de la cifra de venta de apartamentos responde a un menor número de viviendas escrituradas en el primer semestre de 2010, de forma que en los nueve primeros meses del año se han escriturado seis viviendas por un importe de 2,28 millones de euros, frente a las 20 viviendas en el mismo período del ejercicio 2009, que aportaron 9,53 millones.

 

[kemao2]

Yo no se que pasara en Sotogrande, pero en las ciudades no son los barrios "aristocraticos" los mas afectados por las bajadas de precio. Tampoco el comercio de articulos de lujo pasa por un mal momento: los ricos no van al paro.

SI miras el link de Azkuna verás la bajada importante que han tenido el precio de las casas pasado de un precio medio de 470.000 € a 380.000 € en un solo año y bajando cada vez mas y de forma mas acelerada , en unos años nadie pagará mas de 300.000 € de precio medio.

Aquí las perdidas de los pepitos en sus casas va a ser de mas de 100.000 €, casas compradas hace 2 años por 600.000 € ahora no valen mas de 400.000€, mas los costes de la urbanización que me imagino que no son baratos e impuestos.

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La actividad inmobiliaria de Sotogrande, empresa inmobiliaria del grupo NH y con sede en San Roque (Cádiz), alcanzó en los primeros nueve meses del año 2010 unos ingresos de 6,48 millones de euros, frente a los 11,59 millones alcanzados en el mismo periodo del año anterior, lo que supone un descenso del 44%


en los nueve primeros meses del año se han escriturado seis viviendas por un importe de 2,28 millones de euros, frente a las 20 viviendas en el mismo período del ejercicio 2009, que aportaron 9,53 millones.

 

[AMIPLIM]

Precio medio por vivienda con esos datos ha bajado un 20%. No está mal en un año

 

[azkunaveteya]

kemao2, como la de ZP