Posible "BAIL IN" o sea usarían ahorros de la gente para salvar cuentas públicas. Ya en camino por Australia

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"BAIL IN" --ya en camino porque hace años han aprobado las leyes, en Australia según parece-- es "tomar como fianza", lo opuesto de "BAIL out" que sería el famoso rescate, ó bien sacar de la policía a un detenido pagando la fianza.

Australians told 'trust me, your money is safe', but many antiestéticar bank deposits are at risk
cobi19 crisis heightens antiestéticars bank deposits could be wiped out under 'ambiguous' laws
By business reporter Nassim Khadem
Posted 3ddays ago, updated 3ddays ago
Various denominations of notes of Australian money.

A Senate inquiry is being asked to consider whether there is need to tighten up a "loophole" that could give APRA the power to "implement, authorise or direct bail-in to deposit accounts".(Reuters: Daniel Munoz)

Imagine you pogre up one day to find your bank account had been wiped out.
Your entire life savings has evaporated overnight, but not because some anonymous fraudster had stolen it.
It happened because the very banking institution that regulators have repeatedly told you is "unquestionably strong" has faltered.
The bank has taken your deposit and converted it into shares to ensure its own survival.
You now own those shares, but you've taken on more risk than you signed up for, and there's a possibility those shares could end up being worthless.
This is a scenario of a bank moving to 'bail-in' your money.
If you think this totally impossible, think again. It happened in Cyprus not so long ago.
While a bail-in situation in Australia is currently a highly improbable scenario, people are feeling more nervous about their financial future amid the cobi19 crisis and deepest recession since the Depression.
A Senate inquiry is now being asked to consider whether there is need to tighten up a perceived legislative "loophole" that could give the nation's banking regulator, the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA), the power to "implement, authorise or direct bail-in to deposit accounts".

(......)

Firstly, the 2019 IMF Financial System Stability Report calls on authorities to introduce a "statutory bail-in regime, based on best international practice".
Secondly, the G20-backed Financial Stability Board, which is charged with monitoring and assessing vulnerabilities affecting the global financial system, recently released a report evaluating the "too-big-to-fail" banking reforms.
The report suggests "governments must have the powers, the information and the incentives to move from bailout to bail-in".
It explicitly states that this would involve giving authorities (in Australia's case APRA) independent legal power to resolve a banking crisis without the consent of the banks, shareholders and their customers.
While the IMF does not define what 'best international practice' looks like, Mr North and Mr Adams note in their submissions that international examples of 'statutory bail-in' do already exist in New Zealand, the European Union, the United States and Canada.
Rally in front of NY Stock Exchange

amowing the 2008 financial crisis, international regulators have consistently argued that governments need to have clear policies on bail-in.(Spencer Platt: Getty Images: AFP)Transparency is key in an uncertain world
In a world where financial risks are heightened, regulators and political leaders need to be transparent.
Just days ago, chairman of the Financial Stability Board, Randal K. Quarles, delivered a speech warning that while too-big-to-fail banking reforms have strengthened the global financial system since the 2008 crisis, regulators should improve how they deal with the possibility of distressed banks.
Don't mention the 'R word'
Josh Frydenberg making a speech, wearing a suit with an Australian flag while standing in front of an Australian flag.
The Treasurer managed to admit Australia was in recession without ever uttering the word. But there are early signs we're already be emerging from the worst of the downturn.
Read more

He did not specifically mention 'bail-in', but noted in the aftermath of el bichito-19, all FSB members — made up of 24 central banks including the Reserve Bank of Australia — need to consider how to "improve their resolution capabilities so they are fully prepared to respond to a bank failure or a crisis".
This global discussion about bail-in policies coincides with the Federal Government's proposal to introduce laws that would ban cash transactions above $10,000 and make it a criminal offence to use cash for most transactions above that limit.
It also comes at a time when there's been evidence of wealthier Australians pulling large sums of cash out of their bank accounts.
The inquiry is due to report back in early August. It may well find that there is no institutional risk of a bail-in in Australia.
That being the case, the perception that there is legal ambiguity could be further tested if the inquiry holds public hearings that include the views of others, including independent legal experts.
Politically, it is likely the Government will remain reluctant to change the law to more clearly state there will not be bail-ins.
Such a move could send a signal to the wider community that it feels there is a risk and that might spook the public into a bank run, where a large number of people rush to pull out their deposits.
But depositors need to be provided with clear information so that they are aware of the risks they face in the event that a worst-case scenario eventuates.
Only then can they make informed decisions about what they do with their money.
Posted 3ddays ago, updated 3ddays ago




Senate Passes ‘Bail In’ Law – How Safe Is Your Cash Now?
Australia's Scary New Bank Bail-in Laws
Does ‘bail-in’ include bank deposits?
Bail-Ins During Financial Crisis Helps Financial Institutions
How Goverment Bail-Ins Save Institutions

 
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Los que abrís hilos aporreando el teclado y pegando indiscriminadamente textos y fotos, todo sin ningún orden ni sentido, ¿cómo sois fuera de Internet? ¿Os expresáis igual al hablar? Debe ser todo un espectáculo.

Tengo curiosidad.
 
"BAIL IN" --ya en camino porque hace años han aprobado las leyes, en Australia según parece-- es "tomar como fianza", lo opuesto de "BAIL out" que sería el famoso rescate, ó bien sacar de la policía a un detenido pagando la fianza.

Australians told 'trust me, your money is safe', but many antiestéticar bank deposits are at risk
cobi19 crisis heightens antiestéticars bank deposits could be wiped out under 'ambiguous' laws
By business reporter Nassim Khadem
Posted 3ddays ago, updated 3ddays ago
Various denominations of notes of Australian money.

A Senate inquiry is being asked to consider whether there is need to tighten up a "loophole" that could give APRA the power to "implement, authorise or direct bail-in to deposit accounts".(Reuters: Daniel Munoz)

Imagine you pogre up one day to find your bank account had been wiped out.
Your entire life savings has evaporated overnight, but not because some anonymous fraudster had stolen it.
It happened because the very banking institution that regulators have repeatedly told you is "unquestionably strong" has faltered.
The bank has taken your deposit and converted it into shares to ensure its own survival.
You now own those shares, but you've taken on more risk than you signed up for, and there's a possibility those shares could end up being worthless.
This is a scenario of a bank moving to 'bail-in' your money.
If you think this totally impossible, think again. It happened in Cyprus not so long ago.
While a bail-in situation in Australia is currently a highly improbable scenario, people are feeling more nervous about their financial future amid the cobi19 crisis and deepest recession since the Depression.
A Senate inquiry is now being asked to consider whether there is need to tighten up a perceived legislative "loophole" that could give the nation's banking regulator, the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA), the power to "implement, authorise or direct bail-in to deposit accounts".

(......)

Firstly, the 2019 IMF Financial System Stability Report calls on authorities to introduce a "statutory bail-in regime, based on best international practice".
Secondly, the G20-backed Financial Stability Board, which is charged with monitoring and assessing vulnerabilities affecting the global financial system, recently released a report evaluating the "too-big-to-fail" banking reforms.
The report suggests "governments must have the powers, the information and the incentives to move from bailout to bail-in".
It explicitly states that this would involve giving authorities (in Australia's case APRA) independent legal power to resolve a banking crisis without the consent of the banks, shareholders and their customers.
While the IMF does not define what 'best international practice' looks like, Mr North and Mr Adams note in their submissions that international examples of 'statutory bail-in' do already exist in New Zealand, the European Union, the United States and Canada.
Rally in front of NY Stock Exchange

amowing the 2008 financial crisis, international regulators have consistently argued that governments need to have clear policies on bail-in.(Spencer Platt: Getty Images: AFP)Transparency is key in an uncertain world
In a world where financial risks are heightened, regulators and political leaders need to be transparent.
Just days ago, chairman of the Financial Stability Board, Randal K. Quarles, delivered a speech warning that while too-big-to-fail banking reforms have strengthened the global financial system since the 2008 crisis, regulators should improve how they deal with the possibility of distressed banks.
Don't mention the 'R word'
Josh Frydenberg making a speech, wearing a suit with an Australian flag while standing in front of an Australian flag.
The Treasurer managed to admit Australia was in recession without ever uttering the word. But there are early signs we're already be emerging from the worst of the downturn.
Read more

He did not specifically mention 'bail-in', but noted in the aftermath of el bichito-19, all FSB members — made up of 24 central banks including the Reserve Bank of Australia — need to consider how to "improve their resolution capabilities so they are fully prepared to respond to a bank failure or a crisis".
This global discussion about bail-in policies coincides with the Federal Government's proposal to introduce laws that would ban cash transactions above $10,000 and make it a criminal offence to use cash for most transactions above that limit.
It also comes at a time when there's been evidence of wealthier Australians pulling large sums of cash out of their bank accounts.
The inquiry is due to report back in early August. It may well find that there is no institutional risk of a bail-in in Australia.
That being the case, the perception that there is legal ambiguity could be further tested if the inquiry holds public hearings that include the views of others, including independent legal experts.
Politically, it is likely the Government will remain reluctant to change the law to more clearly state there will not be bail-ins.
Such a move could send a signal to the wider community that it feels there is a risk and that might spook the public into a bank run, where a large number of people rush to pull out their deposits.
But depositors need to be provided with clear information so that they are aware of the risks they face in the event that a worst-case scenario eventuates.
Only then can they make informed decisions about what they do with their money.
Posted 3ddays ago, updated 3ddays ago




Senate Passes ‘Bail In’ Law – How Safe Is Your Cash Now?
Australia's Scary New Bank Bail-in Laws
Does ‘bail-in’ include bank deposits?
Bail-Ins During Financial Crisis Helps Financial Institutions
How Goverment Bail-Ins Save Institutions


Según lo que dice el artículo, es todo lo contrario, al menos desde un punto de vista legal. También deja entrever que se salvaguardarán los ahorros de la gente en cualquier caso, aunque yo no creo que sea así. No entiendo el hilo, pues.
 
Sí qué te lo has leído? Quieres dar carpetazo pronto......

Hay una comisión de investigación en el Senado australiano a propuesta de 200 peticiones de jubilados inversores y del partido CEC con vínculos al Movimiento Larouche (LaRouche movement - Wikipedia) y extrema derecha que fueron quienes señalaron el asunto, y eso que allí la garantía de depósitos es 250.000 dólares australianos por barba.

El regulador "APRA", la Banking Royal Commidsion y el Reserve Bank iñof Australia aseguran verbalmente que no pasa nada.........

Improbable situación a priori pero que ya ha ocurrido en Chipre, en 2013, y una laguna legal abre bien la duda sobre si el regulador podría hacer lo que quisiese, etc. como dice en el sexto párrafo y adelante:

>>This is a scenario of a bank moving to 'bail-in' your money.

>>If you think this totally impossible, think again. It happened in Cyprus not so long ago.

>>While a bail-in situation in Australia is currently a highly improbable scenario, people are feeling more nervous about their financial future amid the cobi19 crisis and deepest recession since the Depression.

>>A Senate inquiry is now being asked to consider whether there is need to tighten up a perceived legislative "loophole" that could give the nation's banking regulator, the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA), the power to "implement, authorise or direct bail-in to deposit accounts".

(.....)

>>The antiestéticar about legislative loopholes initially surfaced amowing the GFC when a number of concerned individuals with links to the far-right political party Citizens Electoral Council (CEC) started writing letters to their local MPs.

>>The party is accused of being affiliated with the international LaRouche Movement, which was led by American political activist Lyndon LaRouche, who critics described as a political cult that promotes conspiracy theories and antisemitism.

>>The CEC, including its research director Robert Barwick, were asking for changes to the law that enshrine that their deposits are in fact safe, amowing legislation known as the Financial Sector Legislation Amendment (Crisis Resolution Powers and Other Measures) Bill 2017.

>>This legislation gave APRA the power to allow a bail-in financial instrument known as "hybrid securities", a financial instrument described at the time by former ASIC chairman Greg Medcraft as "a ticking time bomb".>>

(.......)

>>The Senate has already been hit with about 200 submissions — mostly from self-funded retirees and older Australians who have accumulated life savings and therefore have large deposits in the bank.

>>These submissions all run along a similar theme: the need to remove all legislative uncertainty to stop "the legalised theft of bank depositor's savings".

>>For these citizens, in the aftermath of the banking royal commission, verbal assurances from APRA, the Reserve Bank of Australia and political leaders just aren't enough.

>>They say if the Government and regulators are serious about protecting peoples' deposits, there should be "no ambiguity" in the law. They want the Banking Act amended.>>
 
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¿Es posible que en Australia no haya fondo de garantia de depositos o que este sea minusculo? Por lo que estoy viendo en 2008 no habia...

Que sí.... que el fondo esta vacio bla bla pero al menos sabes que si todo quiebra el Estado te sigue debiendo pasta que podras compensar dejando de pagar impuestos y algun dia se levantara cabeza y te lo podran devolver, aunque sea en especie

Si en el peor de los casos el mismo Estado se va a la cosa el tener o no pasta en el banco es irrelevante
 
Pero que dius! Australia? jorobar, si es el pais en el que me gustaría vivir, ricos, chatis rubias, surf, y descalzos por la calle.

Si así está el tema alli agarrense los machos señores que vienen curvas.
 
¿Es posible que en Australia no haya fondo de garantia de depositos o que este sea minusculo? Por lo que estoy viendo en 2008 no habia...

Que sí.... que el fondo esta vacio bla bla pero al menos sabes que si todo quiebra el Estado te sigue debiendo pasta que podras compensar dejando de pagar impuestos y algun dia se levantara cabeza y te lo podran devolver, aunque sea en especie

Si en el peor de los casos el mismo Estado se va a la cosa el tener o no pasta en el banco es irrelevante
Se quedarían los fondos como garantía para el Estado, ante el peligro de quiebra y de manera preventiva; luego podrían devolverlos, sí o no, o como bonos, ó en 100 años, a cambio de títulos de propiedad en la Luna, ..............
 
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