Los templos de Gobekli Tepe

[Mr.Foster]

Si: de ahi el OT al principio del texto (OFFTOPIC

Amigo, no debe tomarlo a mal.

Realmente no interpreté el OT - off topic.

El post y la imagen, tan interesantes que subió, hubieran sido perfectos para abrir un hilo especial sobre Creta, que si no me equivoco no tiene ninguno.

Por otra parte, Gobleki con sus 12.000 años es tan único que cualquier cosa que no sea específica, sonará a off topic.

 

[otroyomismo]

Resubo el hilo. Enlazo en este por el tema de Gobekli Tepe, pero Hancock, megalitismo, aerqueologia, etc, etc andan desparramados por muchos hilos.

Pues resulta que parece ser que al "magufo" Hancock algunos investigadores "serios" le empiezan a dar algo de razon sobre lo que cuenta en su libro Los Magos de los Dioses:

Faltaria verificar si los investigadores "serios" son "de verdad".

Sorry, tocho en ingles. Si alguien se anima a traducirlo....
Y mejor el enlace original por las fotos y videos que enlaza.




Maverick archaeologist Graham Hancock insists that a highly evolved human civilisation was wiped out by a global catastrophe around 13,000 years ago.

Suppose all the wildest theories and historical conspiracies of novelist Dan Brown were proven true. And the mind-reading, spoon-bending claims of Israeli psychic Uri Geller all turned out to be real as well.

That wouldn’t be half as extraordinary as the announcement in an obscure scientific journal this month that vindicated 20 years of maverick research and best-selling books by the eccentric archaeologist Graham Hancock.

His insistence that a highly evolved human civilisation was wiped out by a global catastrophe, remembered now only in myths and Biblical accounts such as the story of Noah and The Flood, has been mocked and dismissed by mainstream experts since he first spoke out in the mid-Nineties.

His latest book, Magicians Of The Gods, presented findings from all over the world as he argued that a mini Ice Age had swept the planet around 13,000 years ago, amowing a comet strike that caused devastating earthquakes and tsunamis.

Some of his most convincing, if rather arcane, evidence was discovered at a dig in Turkey known as Gobekli Tepe — which literally means Potbelly Hill. At this site close to the Syrian border, said Hancock, was found the most ancient work of monumental architecture on Earth.

Twice as old as Stonehenge, its engineering was far more skilled. Astronomical carvings and inscriptions on the stones served as aids for prehistoric stargazers, but also told stories. And one was of a comet that fell from the heavens, all but wiping out the human race.

Despite the painstaking construction of the book, which argues each point exhaustively, Hancock was met with the usual hoots of derision when Magicians Of The Gods appeared in 2015.

His latest book, Magicians Of The Gods, presented findings from all over the world as he argued that a mini Ice Age had swept the planet around 13,000 years ago, amowing a comet strike that caused devastating earthquakes and tsunamis.

He was derided as a fantasist, a deluded amateur, and much merriment was poked at his long-held belief that hallucinogenic drugs are intellectual stimulants. This nonsense was archaeology for trippy hippies, laughed Hancock’s detractors.

So when research appeared last week that vindicated many of his claims and proved that this lone voice had been right for 20 years, perhaps it isn’t surprising that the announcement was as low-key as humanly possible. The carvings at Gobekli Tepe do indeed describe a comet strike, in 10,950BC, said some staid and very serious experts from the University of Edinburgh’s School of Engineering. Their report appeared as a paper in the little-known International Journal of Mediterranean Archaeology and Archaeometry, published by the University of the Aegean.

But the obscurity of the source cannot mask the scale of the scientific back-tracking. Hancock’s claims sound like a Hollywood disaster movie, a sci-fi epic and a detective thriller all rolled into one. His theories encompass the meaning of the pyramids and the future destruction of the planet.

If more conventional archaeologists are going to start agreeing with him, that amounts to a seismic shift of direction.

As the Telegraph newspaper report into the new scientific findings noted: ‘The idea had been originally put forward by author Graham Hancock in his book Magicians Of The Gods.’

What hasn’t changed is the starting point for all these theories. Just after 11,000BC, experts have long agreed, when the Earth was gradually emerging from the last Ice Age, a cataclysmic event caused sudden, shocking climate change. This ushered in a big chill known as the Younger Dryas, which lasted about 1,500 years.

Scientists had numerous theories to explain this but, in Magicians Of The Gods, Hancock argued that we had all the proof we needed: more than 200 ancient myths, belonging to tribes from the Arctic to the Equator, telling of an advanced human civilisation destroyed by flood and fire.

Added to this was compelling physical evidence, in the form of giant boulders, platinum deposits and tiny diamonds found across North America — the detritus of a colossal impact.

There was only one explanation, said Hancock, and it matched the account carved into the limestone pillars at Gobekli Tepe . . . an account now verified by the team at Edinburgh University.

Our planet was hit by a comet. A blazing asteroid plunged out of the firmament and struck with the force of several thousand nuclear bombs bursting simultaneously. It wiped out many larger animal species, including the woolly mammoth and the sloth bear, and it almost destroyed humanity. Some people did survive, including the ancestors of the Ojibwa tribe of the Canadian grasslands, who still tell the story of the Long-Tailed Heavenly Climbing Star which swept out of the sky to scorch the earth. Their myths relate that it left behind ‘a different world.

After that, survival was hard work. The weather was colder than before’.

As Edinburgh’s Dr Martin Sweatman puts it: ‘One of the pillars at Gobekli Tepe seems to have served as a memorial to this devastating event — probably the worst day in history since the end of the Ice Age.’

Part of the Gobekli carving shows a headless man, a graphic symbol of human carnage.




Some of his most convincing, if rather arcane, evidence was discovered at a dig in Turkey known as Gobekli Tepe — which literally means Potbelly Hill. At this site close to the Syrian border, said Hancock, was found the most ancient work of monumental architecture on Earth.



The key finding was a series of animal carvings on a pillar known as the Vulture Stone, which represent constellations of stars as well as the comet itself. The stars were not represented as we would see them in the sky today, but as they were in 10,950BC — enabling the scientists to point with certainty to the date of the comet strike.

This means that when the Gobekli stones were made, around 9,000BC (that is, approximately 11,000 years ago), the sculptors had the astronomical know-how to backdate the constellations, shifting their pattern by a couple of millennia. And they were working with information that had been passed down over 2,000 years.

That shows spectacular sophistication. Yet according to common wisdom, humans were savages at this time, hunter-gatherers no more advanced than cavemen, without any knowledge of engineering or mathematics.

Most archaeologists struggle to explain how such a primitive culture could have built Gobekli Tepe. Now that the notion of a comet strike is beyond dispute, the thinking is that abundant wild crops of wheat and barley were wiped out by plunging temperatures.

Nomadic tribes were forced to combine, sharing their knowledge and co-operating to survive as they developed techniques to grow enough food to survive.




Despite the painstaking construction of the book, which argues each point exhaustively, Hancock was met with the usual hoots of derision when Magicians Of The Gods appeared in 2015.





But as Hancock points out, this would have been an all-consuming challenge for people used to living in small, roaming groups. The switch from hunting to agriculture, and from mobile tent villages to settlements, would demand every ounce of energy, diplomacy and ingenuity our ancestors could muster.

How would they find the time to invent complex maths, plot the heavens, master architecture and learn intricate stone-working? All those skills and more were needed to build Gobekli Tepe.

Stonehenge, which was built around 5,000 years ago, consists of rough-hewn slabs. It is ingenious, but compared to Gobekli Tepe it’s like a parish church beside Chartres Cathedral.

For 20 years, Hancock has insisted that there is only one explanation for this explosive intellectual evolution. All that knowledge already existed. Earlier investigators, such as the Swiss author Erich von Daniken, proposed that Earth was visited by extra-terrestrial pioneers, aliens who brought intergalactic gifts of technology. Hancock’s theory is much more plausible: he believes a human civilisation predated the comet strike, one at least as advanced as the Romans.

We don’t know what language they spoke, nor how they recorded their knowledge. But unless a band of refugee hunters in Turkey 11,000 years ago suddenly cracked every major branch of human learning, all at the same time, that elder civilisation must have existed.

Sci-fi author Arthur C. Clarke famously said that, ‘any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic’. And the knowledge that survivors of the comet possessed must have seemed like pure sorcery to the ordinary nomad.

Perhaps that’s why, even now, we humans have an instinctive urge to believe in magic and feel sure it must have existed during some golden age — because to our ancient forebears, magic was a very real phenomenon.

The possessors of that inexplicable power, the ones Hancock calls the Magicians Of The Gods, must have worked out how to share their knowledge without giving away their tricks.




For 20 years, Hancock has insisted that there is only one explanation for this explosive intellectual evolution. All that knowledge already existed. Earlier investigators, such as the Swiss author Erich von Daniken, proposed that Earth was visited by extra-terrestrial pioneers, aliens who brought intergalactic gifts of technology.



Post-apocalypse, they would have been fighting to survive in a very dangerous world. It seems likely that they posed as wizards, using showmanship to heighten the impact of their secrets. Carvings discovered at sites as far-flung as Bolivia, Mexico, Turkey and Iraq depict human figures in fish-like robes, wearing garments patterned with scales.

The mythical Oannes of Mesopotamia, for instance, had ‘the whole body of a fish, but underneath the head of the fish there was another head, a human one. It had a human voice.’

Oannes was accompanied by seven sages, who taught chemistry, medicine, stone-cutting and metal-working.

At the Temple of Horus in the Egyptian city of Edfu, ancient inscriptions also tell of seven sages. They were the last survivors of a sacred place, ‘the mansions of the gods’, whose home world had been destroyed by flood and fire. These sages had escaped death only because they were at sea when the catastrophe struck.

According to Arab traditions, the wisdom of these sages was stored in the pyramids of Giza, built to be a library for their books of knowledge. These included technologies that sound modern even to our ears: ‘[Military] Arms which did not rust, and glass which might be bent but not broken.’

All of this, the ideas that Hancock has been popularising since he published Fingerprints Of The Gods in 1996, has always seemed improbable to the conventional scientific community, which tended to dismiss his claims en masse.

With the discovery that the cornerstone of his theories was right, his other speculation is suddenly much less far-fetched.

But there is one aspect of his studies that is still too controversial to be given credence by mainstream scholars. And if he’s right about it, nothing else matters. The comet, the magicians, the messages across the millennia will all be irrelevant.




Hancock’s theory is much more plausible: he believes a human civilisation predated the comet strike, one at least as advanced as the Romans.



Hancock believes the Gobekli stones not only describe an ancient cosmic collision, but predict another.

He thinks that what hit Earth in 10,950BC was actually a massive piece of debris in the Taurid meteor stream, a belt containing millions of space rocks.

****** within that belt, according to astrophysicists, is an unexploded bomb of a planetoid, a superheated rock like an orbiting hand grenade.

Sealed inside its thin crust is a boiling mass of tar, building up pressure until it detonates. Thousands of white-hot boulders, a mile or more across, will be set spinning through the meteor stream . . . but we cannot say for certain when that will occur.

Many of these asteroids could be three times the size of the one that hit our planet 65 million years ago, wiping out the dinosaurs.

If one of those strikes, it could quite literally bring about the end of the world. And we are due to cross the Taurid meteor stream in 13 years, around 2030.

For many observers, the leap that Hancock makes from imaginative interpretation of solid evidence, to doom-laden predictions of global obliteration, is just too extreme. It is, quite literally, unthinkable.

But thanks to the Gobekli Tepe findings, mainstream science is being forced to get its head round the Hancock hypothesis.

Maybe it’s time to give more credence to all his theories . . . before it’s too late.

Mini Ice Age Wiped Civilisation 13,000 Years Ago

 

[BillyJoe]

Cuanto menos es impresionante ver estos templos de hace 12.000 años, anteriores incluso a Stonehenge

A ver, que Stonehenge es un pedazo de bluff. Se edificaron en el siglo XX AC, que parece mucho, pero las pirámides son de setecientos años antes.

Para cuando los anglos estaban saliendo del neolítico, en Egipto, Babilonia, etc. ya llevaban siglos edificiando ciudades.

 

[Mr.Foster]

Resubo el hilo. Enlazo en este por el tema de Gobekli Tepe, pero Hancock, megalitismo, aerqueologia, etc, etc andan desparramados por muchos hilos.
Sorry, tocho en ingles. Si alguien se anima a traducirlo....
Y mejor el enlace original por las fotos y videos que enlaza.
Mini Ice Age Wiped Civilisation 13,000 Years Ago

"El arqueólogo inconformista Graham Hancock insiste en que una civilización humana altamente evolucionada fue aniquilada por un desastre mundial hace unos 13,000 años.
Supongamos que todas las teorías más salvajes y la conspiración histórica del novelista Dan Brown resultaron ser ciertas. Y las afirmaciones de psíquico israelí Uri Geller, que leen la mente y hacen doblar la cuchara, resultaron ser verdaderas también.
Ese no sería un comentario sorprendente sobre el tema de una revista científica oscura, que es reivindicada por Graham Hancock.
Su insistencia en que está muy evolucionada civilización humana fue aniquilada por una catástrofe global recordado ahora sólo en los mitos y relatos bíblicos como la historia de Noé y el diluvio, ha-sido burlado y separados por expertos de corriente desde que habló por primera vez en la mitad de los 90¨.
Su último libro, Magicians Of The Gods, presentó hallazgos de todo el mundo en menor medida que en años anteriores, tras un ataque de cometa que causó terremotos y tsunamis devastadores.
Algunas de sus pruebas más convincentes, si bien bastante arcanas, fueron descubiertas en Gobekli Tepe, que literalmente significa Potbelly Hill. En este sitio cerca de la frontera con Siria, dijo Hancock, se encontró la obra más antigua de arquitectura monumental en la Tierra.
Su ingeniería era mucho más hábil que la de Stonehengue, además de 6000 años anterior. Las tallas e inscripciones astronómicas en las piedras sirvieron como ayuda para los observadores de estrellas prehistóricos, pero también contaron historias. Y uno era un cometa que cayó de los cielos, todo menos aniquilando a la raza humana.
A pesar de la minuciosa construcción del libro, que argumenta exhaustivamente cada punto, Hancock fue atacado con los usuales gritos de burla cuando Magicians Of The Gods apareció en 2015.
Su último libro, Magicians Of The Gods, presentó hallazgos de todo el mundo en menor medida que en años anteriores, tras un ataque de cometa que causó terremotos y tsunamis dvastadores.
Fue ridiculizado como un fanático, un entusiasta delirante y un hombre mucho mejor que fue empujado por su creencia desde hace mucho tiempo de que las drojas alucinógenas son estimulantes intelectuales. Esta tontería era arqueología para los hippies trippy, rieron los detractores de Hancock.
Entonces, cuando la investigación se ha realizado durante los últimos 20 años, puede que no sea sorprendente que el mensaje haya sido tan discreto como sea humanamente posible. Las esculturas de Gobekli Tepe sí describen un ataque de cometa, en 10.950 aC, dijeron algunos expertos serios y muy serios de la Escuela de Ingeniería de la Universidad de Edimburgo. Su informe apareció como un artículo en el poco conocido International Journal of Mediterranean Archaeology and Archaeometry, publicado por la Universidad del Egeo.
Pero la oscuridad de la fuente no puede ocultar la escala del retroceso científico. Las afirmaciones de Hancock suenan como una película de desastre de Hollywood, una película épica de ciencia ficción y un thriller de detectives, todo en uno. Sus teorías abarcan el significado de las pirámides y la futura destrucción del planeta.
Como el periódico Telegraph informa a los nuevos hallazgos científicos señaló: "La idea ha sido originalmente presentada por Graham Hancock en su libro Magicians Of The Gods".
Lo que no ha cambiado es el punto de partida para todas estas teorías. Justo después del 11,000 aC, los expertos han estado de acuerdo durante mucho tiempo, cuando la Era de Hielo, un evento catastrófico causó un cambio climático repentino e impactante. Esto marcó el comienzo de un gran frío conocido como Younger Dryas, que duró unos 1.500 años.
Los científicos tenían numerosas teorías para explicar este objetivo, en Magicians Of The Gods, Hancock comentó que teníamos más de 200 mitos antiguos, pertenecientes al Ártico al ecuador, que hablaban de una civilización humana avanzada. inundación y fuego.
A esto se agrega una evidencia física convincente, en forma de cantos rodados gigantes, depósitos de platino y diamantes diminutos que se encuentran en América del Norte: los detritus de un impacto colosal.
Había una sola explicación, dijo Hancock, y coincide con la cuenta de los pilares de piedra caliza en Gobekli Tepe. . . una cuenta ahora verificada por el equipo de la Universidad de Edimburgo.
Nuestro planeta fue golpeado por un cometa. Un asteroide ardiente se precipitó desde el firmamento y golpeó con la fuerza de varios miles de bombas nucleares estallando simultáneamente. Eliminó a muchas especies, incluidos el mamut lanudo y el oso perezoso, y casi destruyó a la humanidad. Algunas personas sobrevivieron, incluyendo los antepasados de la tribu Ojibwa de las praderas canadienses, que todavía cuentan la historia de la escalada qui Estrella Celestial havelda barrido del cielo para quemar a la tierra. Sus mitos cuentan que dejó atrás 'una diferencia"

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[Mr.Foster]

Un usuario al principio de este hilo, hace años, ya dijo que había que abrir un hilo de megalitos. No sé si se hizo.

Sí, lo hizo, dése una vuelta, está muy bueno.

Monumentos megalíticos - Hal Saflieni

 

[Amstrad]

Un impacto cósmico causó un cambio climático catastrófico hace 12.000 años

 

[otroyomismo]

Un impacto cósmico causó un cambio climático catastrófico hace 12.000 años

Anda un hilo perdido en el foro sobre este tema: Younger Dryas

Dryas Reciente - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

La hipotesis del gran impacto la desarrolla Graham Hancock en los primeros capitulo de su libro Los Magos De Los Dioses.

Hay pruebas geologicas de grandes inundaciones en el registro geologico:

Formed by Megafloods, This Place Fooled Scientists for Decades



En este enlace el resto de videos:

https://www.holdmyark.com/blog-1/2019/3/6/decoding-the-ice-age-floods

 

[Hermericus]

Yo vi un informe de sesudos arqueólogos que están convencidos de que Gobekli Tepe era un pub en donde los agricultores de la zona se reunían para beber cerveza y echarse unas risas.

 

[Mr.Foster]

Yo vi un informe de sesudos arqueólogos que están convencidos de que Gobekli Tepe era un pub en donde los agricultores de la zona se reunían para beber cerveza y echarse unas risas.

Desopilante comentario perfecto para cualquier hilo MENOS PARA ESTE QUE ES MUY SERIO.
Gobekli comenzó a construirse hacia el 12.000aC, esos hombres eran de la Edad de Piedra, típicos cazadores y recolectores,faltaban miles de años para que llegar el primer agricultor.
En cuanto a la cerveza, faltaban 8000 años para que a los sumerios se les ocurriera inventarla.
O sea, estimado.
NO.

 

[catalufo]

Yo he estado de visita y es espectacular, te recomiendo la serie Ancient aliens (antiguos alienígenas) un saludo

 

[Mr.Foster]

Desde que se desarrolló este excelente hilo sobre Gobekli Tepe, lugar arqueológico singular, que ostenta el privilegio de ser considerado el primer santuario de la humanidad, la Arqueología ha producido nuevos descubrimientos que permiten ajustar ciertas ideas sobre los procesos de neolitización claves para entender cóno empiezan a surgir las primeras culturas sedentarias y urbanas.

Y considero la cuestión de gran importancia para relacionarlo con los desplazamientos humanos hacia la Mesopotamia y el nacimiento de Sumer, la primera civilización de mundo.

En este caso llamo la atención de aquellos foristas que se interesan en estos temas sobre el hallazgo del sitio Kortik Tepe, ubicado a unos 200 km de Gobekli que muestran evidencias de un asentamiento en estadios tempranos de la agricultura, personas aún cazadoras y con un incipiente ritualismo religioso que se asentaron en la zona hacia entre el 11.700 y el 12.400 aC





Chipped stone assemblages of Körtik Tepe (Turkey)

Körtik Hill offers thousands of artifacts

http://www.antiquity.ac.uk/projgall/ozkaya320/

Körtik Tepe – Wikipedia





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[Mr.Foster]

Resubo por tres motivos:

1)Por el reciente artículo de la BBC que actualiza el tema.
2)Porque cada vez que veo esas ruinas de la edad de piedra, me sorprendo tanto, que necesito compartirlo.
3)Por que está relacionado con el tema sumerio, tratado aquí:
El intrigante problema sumerio.


La sorprendente complejidad geométrica del templo más antiguo del mundo

 

[FULANITODETALYCUAL]

yacimiento que estan siendo destrozado por los piramiidiotas ,,,

 

[Mr.Foster]

yacimiento que estan siendo destrozado por los piramiidiotas ,,,

No, tranquilo.
Esto está en Turquía.
Por ahora está a salvo.