John Coleman, fundador de The Weather Channel, destroza el calentamiento global
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La demostración de las causas es otro asunto. Pero al igual que habría que demostrar que es culpa de la acción de hombre, también habría que demostrar que no lo es.
Porque si algo ha cambiado en el último siglo, es precisamente la presencia del hombre en el medio ambiente, o eso también lo vais a negar?
Yo tengo la sensación, o más que la sensación la certeza, de que algunos eligen su bando, y ale, a embestir.
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¿Donde has sacado esas fotografias del polo norte?
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http://antonuriarte.blogspot.com/2009/06/el-deshielo-del-mito.html
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No has pensado que quizas toda la propaganda pro-reciclaje y posiblemente en un futuro sea obligatorio para que unos pocos ganen muchos $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Tiene que ver y mucho. Si deciden que hay calentamiento global (ya esta decidido) y la gente lo apoya pagaremos impuestos hasta por respirar.
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Glaciar Viedma, Argentina:
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Mer de Glace, Alpes Franceses:
Kilimangaro, África:
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¿Y qué? La temperatura media planeta ha subido en el ultimo siglo 0.7ºC. Primero, por que tiene que ser negativo? Segundo, no es una prueba concluyente de que el aumento de CO2 sea el causante de incremento de 0.7ºC. El aumento de CO2 podria ser un efecto del aumento de temperatura al disminuir la solubilidad del CO2 en los oceanos. Tercero, no demuestra que vaya a continuar el ascenso de temperaturas los proximos decenios.
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Hay científicos que afirman que en la Edad Media las temperaturas eran más altas que en la actualidad:
Middle Ages were warmer than today, say scientists
Research casts doubt on global warming theory - theage.com.au
Middle Ages were warmer than today, say scientists
Research casts doubt on global warming theory - theage.com.au
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Himalaya
La demostración de las causas es otro asunto. Pero al igual que habría que demostrar que es culpa de la acción de hombre, también habría que demostrar que no lo es.
Porque si algo ha cambiado en el último siglo, es precisamente la presencia del hombre en el medio ambiente, o eso también lo vais a negar?
Yo tengo la sensación, o más que la sensación la certeza, de que algunos eligen su bando, y ale, a embestir.
Cuando hablamos de incrementos de temperaturas, entiendo que hablamos de incrementos de temperaturas medias globales, el clima evidentemente cambia, ¿cuándo ha estado parado?.
Cuando me refería a pruebas, lo que quería decir son pruebas cientificas, aquellas que son irrefutables, sin discusión, no reports fotográficos.
Me refiero a pruebas irrefutables de que el cambio climático se debe al hombre.
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La demostración de las causas es otro asunto. Pero al igual que habría que demostrar que es culpa de la acción de hombre, también habría que demostrar que no lo es.
Porque si algo ha cambiado en el último siglo, es precisamente la presencia del hombre en el medio ambiente, o eso también lo vais a negar?
Yo tengo la sensación, o más que la sensación la certeza, de que algunos eligen su bando, y ale, a embestir.[/QUOTE]
Continuo opinando que quien debe demostrar que el origen del cambio climático es por acción del hombre debe ser demostrado por los defensores de tal teoría.
Por reducción al absurdo, tu quieres demostrar que existen los marcianos, y yo que no, ¿cómo lo demuestro si no creo en su existencia?.
Porque si algo ha cambiado en el último siglo, es precisamente la presencia del hombre en el medio ambiente, o eso también lo vais a negar?
Yo tengo la sensación, o más que la sensación la certeza, de que algunos eligen su bando, y ale, a embestir.[/QUOTE]
Continuo opinando que quien debe demostrar que el origen del cambio climático es por acción del hombre debe ser demostrado por los defensores de tal teoría.
Por reducción al absurdo, tu quieres demostrar que existen los marcianos, y yo que no, ¿cómo lo demuestro si no creo en su existencia?.
Continuo opinando que quien debe demostrar que el origen del cambio climático es por acción del hombre debe ser demostrado por los defensores de tal teoría.
Por reducción al absurdo, tu quieres demostrar que existen los marcianos, y yo que no, ¿cómo lo demuestro si no creo en su existencia?.[/QUOTE]
Pero es que además han habido épocas de más y menos calor que ahora en la Tierra sin presencia del hombre, así que ya me dirás que hay que demostrar.
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Pero es que además han habido épocas de más y menos calor que ahora en la Tierra sin presencia del hombre, así que ya me dirás que hay que demostrar.[/QUOTE]
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Eso es lo que digo, aquellos que defienden dicha teoría no la pueden demostrar. Además pretender que sean los que la niegan quienes aporten la demostración no tiene sentido.
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Eso es lo que digo, aquellos que defienden dicha teoría no la pueden demostrar. Además pretender que sean los que la niegan quienes aporten la demostración no tiene sentido.
Mientras la comunidad científica no se pone de acuerdo, otros ya lo tienen decidido y empiezan a ver la forma de sacarnos el dinero, por el bien del planeta y de los contribuyentes.
Esta noticia además apesta tanto a 1984 que no sabía si colgarla en el hilo del NWO
Congressman wants government GPS in cars
Proposes mileage-based gas tax that would monitor travels
Posted: August 05, 2009
An Oregon congressman says he wants to test having a government GPS unit in every car so a tax could be imposed on the miles driven.
The proposal, H.R. 3311, which calls for a test project costing $150 million-plus, was introduced by Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore.
"Oregon has successfully tested a Vehicle Miles Traveled fee, and it is time to expand and test the VMT program across the country," he said in a statement on his website. "A VMT system can better assess fees based on use of our roads and bridges, as well as during times of peak congestion, than a fee based on fuel consumption.
"It is time to get creative and find smart ways to rebuild and renew America's deteriorating infrastructure," he said.
His plan calls for the Department of the Treasury to study the idea with test GPS-equipped car projects in every state.
Blumenauer said the Oregon test "charged drivers for the number of miles they traveled rather the fuel they consumed. The test was convenient for drivers, protected personal privacy, and proved to be easily administrable."
In a WND column, however, Henry Lamb raised several concerns unaddressed by the congressman.
For example, what other applications would there be for a GPS unit attached to each car in the nation?
What about "shutting down the vehicle when its allotted emissions cap had been reached."
"Why not?" Lamb wrote, "The current cap-and-trade bill would limit industrial emissions and force each business to pay an extra tax for the privilege of emitting additional carbon dioxide. Why not arbitrarily assign a weekly or monthly cap on auto emissions and shut down the vehicle when that limit is reached? The new Global Positioning Satellite device would have that capability.
"Every American ought to be outraged that such a system is even contemplated," he continued. "This system is the tool that makes slaves of every person who depends upon a vehicle. Every person should consider just how his life would be changed if he were required to get approval from the federal government to start his car."
Lamb said shutting down a vehicle would be among the less intrusive possibilities.
"The proposed GPS road tax system could easily be programmed to listen to and record conversations inside any vehicle. It could stop a vehicle, lock the occupants inside and notify the 'jack boots' that the occupants were en route to a tea party," Lamb wrote. "We would hope that the federal government would never sink to the level of paranoia that gripped nancy Germany. But then, we also hoped that the federal government would never sink to the level of labeling legal, peaceful assemblies, such as the recent tea parties, as gatherings of potential terrorists."
According to a report at Landlinemag.com, the bill does not call for a removal of the "fuel tax" if a mileage tax is established.
"The current system of levying federal taxes on trucks is as discriminatory as it can be to small business, and harmful, but there are lots of unanswered questions with a VMT," Todd Spencer, vice president of the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, told the magazine.
"And those questions need to be resolved before we start launching down that path," he said.
The bill, introduced July 23, has been assigned to the House Subcommittee on Technology and Innovation.
It states the subjects that need to be evaluated include "ease of compliance," "public acceptances," and "geographic and income equity."
The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported besides Oregon's test project, several other states also have considered checking out the idea.
Under the Oregon plan, a dashboard display, a GPS receiver and antenna, mileage counter and a radio were built into several hundred cars. When a driver pulled up to a pump at a specially equipped gas station, a radio sent information about the car's travels to the pump.
It was programmed at that point to remove the gas tax and add the mileage tax.
On the Cleveland newspaper's forum page, there was alarm over the potential.
"Are you people convinced yet that it's time to grab the pitchforks and head for the castle?" wrote a participant.
Another expressed frustration.
"I purchased a small car last spring because gas prices were on the rise. This small car averages 43 mpg. This saved me a lot of money when gas prices hit $4.00+/gal. The car also has the smallest carbon footprint of any non-hybrid vehicle being produced today. The small carbon footprint helps save the environment. I travel 100+ miles/day. The government encourages us to use less gas to help the country become less dependent on foreign oil. The people are doing what they want by driving less or driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Of course gas tax revenues are going to decrease. And now they are thinking about a mileage tax because people are doing what they want.....they can't have it both ways..."
Transportation officials in the Obama administration have downplayed the idea for now.
Congressman wants government GPS in cars
Aquí de otra fuente
Oregon ponders gas tax replacement Daily Journal of Commerce
Aquí se centran más en los costes necesarios para la última fase del test, de cómo otros estados ya se han interesado por la fórmula, y de cómo los contribuyentes aliviarían en parte el coste porque estarían encantados de pagar por los GPS, pa flipar.
Amijos, que se están planteando "trackear" TODOS los coches de USA
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Esta noticia además apesta tanto a 1984 que no sabía si colgarla en el hilo del NWO
Congressman wants government GPS in cars
Proposes mileage-based gas tax that would monitor travels
Posted: August 05, 2009
An Oregon congressman says he wants to test having a government GPS unit in every car so a tax could be imposed on the miles driven.
The proposal, H.R. 3311, which calls for a test project costing $150 million-plus, was introduced by Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore.
"Oregon has successfully tested a Vehicle Miles Traveled fee, and it is time to expand and test the VMT program across the country," he said in a statement on his website. "A VMT system can better assess fees based on use of our roads and bridges, as well as during times of peak congestion, than a fee based on fuel consumption.
"It is time to get creative and find smart ways to rebuild and renew America's deteriorating infrastructure," he said.
His plan calls for the Department of the Treasury to study the idea with test GPS-equipped car projects in every state.
Blumenauer said the Oregon test "charged drivers for the number of miles they traveled rather the fuel they consumed. The test was convenient for drivers, protected personal privacy, and proved to be easily administrable."
In a WND column, however, Henry Lamb raised several concerns unaddressed by the congressman.
For example, what other applications would there be for a GPS unit attached to each car in the nation?
What about "shutting down the vehicle when its allotted emissions cap had been reached."
"Why not?" Lamb wrote, "The current cap-and-trade bill would limit industrial emissions and force each business to pay an extra tax for the privilege of emitting additional carbon dioxide. Why not arbitrarily assign a weekly or monthly cap on auto emissions and shut down the vehicle when that limit is reached? The new Global Positioning Satellite device would have that capability.
"Every American ought to be outraged that such a system is even contemplated," he continued. "This system is the tool that makes slaves of every person who depends upon a vehicle. Every person should consider just how his life would be changed if he were required to get approval from the federal government to start his car."
Lamb said shutting down a vehicle would be among the less intrusive possibilities.
"The proposed GPS road tax system could easily be programmed to listen to and record conversations inside any vehicle. It could stop a vehicle, lock the occupants inside and notify the 'jack boots' that the occupants were en route to a tea party," Lamb wrote. "We would hope that the federal government would never sink to the level of paranoia that gripped nancy Germany. But then, we also hoped that the federal government would never sink to the level of labeling legal, peaceful assemblies, such as the recent tea parties, as gatherings of potential terrorists."
According to a report at Landlinemag.com, the bill does not call for a removal of the "fuel tax" if a mileage tax is established.
"The current system of levying federal taxes on trucks is as discriminatory as it can be to small business, and harmful, but there are lots of unanswered questions with a VMT," Todd Spencer, vice president of the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association, told the magazine.
"And those questions need to be resolved before we start launching down that path," he said.
The bill, introduced July 23, has been assigned to the House Subcommittee on Technology and Innovation.
It states the subjects that need to be evaluated include "ease of compliance," "public acceptances," and "geographic and income equity."
The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported besides Oregon's test project, several other states also have considered checking out the idea.
Under the Oregon plan, a dashboard display, a GPS receiver and antenna, mileage counter and a radio were built into several hundred cars. When a driver pulled up to a pump at a specially equipped gas station, a radio sent information about the car's travels to the pump.
It was programmed at that point to remove the gas tax and add the mileage tax.
On the Cleveland newspaper's forum page, there was alarm over the potential.
"Are you people convinced yet that it's time to grab the pitchforks and head for the castle?" wrote a participant.
Another expressed frustration.
"I purchased a small car last spring because gas prices were on the rise. This small car averages 43 mpg. This saved me a lot of money when gas prices hit $4.00+/gal. The car also has the smallest carbon footprint of any non-hybrid vehicle being produced today. The small carbon footprint helps save the environment. I travel 100+ miles/day. The government encourages us to use less gas to help the country become less dependent on foreign oil. The people are doing what they want by driving less or driving more fuel efficient vehicles. Of course gas tax revenues are going to decrease. And now they are thinking about a mileage tax because people are doing what they want.....they can't have it both ways..."
Transportation officials in the Obama administration have downplayed the idea for now.
Congressman wants government GPS in cars
Aquí de otra fuente
Oregon ponders gas tax replacement Daily Journal of Commerce
Aquí se centran más en los costes necesarios para la última fase del test, de cómo otros estados ya se han interesado por la fórmula, y de cómo los contribuyentes aliviarían en parte el coste porque estarían encantados de pagar por los GPS, pa flipar.
Amijos, que se están planteando "trackear" TODOS los coches de USA
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