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*Tema mítico* : Hilo oficial de Bitcoin-XIII
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bmbnct
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Sergio Demian Lerner, fundador de RSK y desarrollador de bitcoin, estimo en 2013 que Satoshi mino un millón de bitcoins. Ahora, un estudio de BitMex muestra que serian entre 300k y 400k bitcoins.
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bmbnct
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Porque Bitcoin no debe compararse con compañías o sistemas de pago.
"A completely new kind of money is something very unusual, which is why experts in business, finance or economics don’t quite know what to make of it. My advice is to think of it as digital gold and go from there."
"As a currency, Bitcoin has some truly unique antiestéticatures:
- It can be used by anyone in the world with an internet connection, without asking for permission.
- It is not controlled by any country or corporation.
- It is transparent. The inner workings of the system can be audited by anyone with a good enough technical understanding.
- It is truly scarce. Not only is it the first time that this is possible in a digital good but its supply is also more predictable than any physical good."
"A completely new kind of money is something very unusual, which is why experts in business, finance or economics don’t quite know what to make of it. My advice is to think of it as digital gold and go from there."
"As a currency, Bitcoin has some truly unique antiestéticatures:
- It can be used by anyone in the world with an internet connection, without asking for permission.
- It is not controlled by any country or corporation.
- It is transparent. The inner workings of the system can be audited by anyone with a good enough technical understanding.
- It is truly scarce. Not only is it the first time that this is possible in a digital good but its supply is also more predictable than any physical good."
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Sitio web, aun en construcción, con material educativo para quien quiera comprender cómo se construyen las carteras y transacciones:
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"Germany, Europe’s biggest economy, has called for an independent payment system free of the US, which experts have said is extremely positive for Bitcoin."
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"Germany, Europe’s biggest economy, has called for an independent payment system free of the US, which experts have said is extremely positive for Bitcoin."
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Crypto Adoption in Turkey, Iran, Venezuela
In regions like Turkey, Iran, and Venezuela wherein the rapid devaluation of national currencies and strict capital controls have prevented the utilization of cash as a proper medium of exchange, the popularity of cryptocurrencies as an alternative payment method has already started to increase.
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:Turquía, Irán y Venezuela son un tridente contra la impresora de colorines. Veremos cómo termina esta guerra económica.
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Turquía, Irán y Venezuela luchando contra el dólar.Del segundo enlace me quedo con...
Crypto Adoption in Turkey, Iran, Venezuela
In regions like Turkey, Iran, and Venezuela wherein the rapid devaluation of national currencies and strict capital controls have prevented the utilization of cash as a proper medium of exchange, the popularity of cryptocurrencies as an alternative payment method has already started to increase.
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Turquía, Irán y Venezuela son un tridente contra la impresora de colorines. Veremos cómo termina esta guerra económica.
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Buen hilo desmintiendo el FUD habitual contra Lightning Network:
2/ “Lightning is an IOU”
In no way are they transactions IOUs. The money you receive in a channel is under your complete control instantly. You may spend, or transfer back to the blockchain at your leisure
3/ “Lightning is fractional reserve”
Can you spend more Bitcoin inside the escrow than actually exist? Of course not, because it’s real bitcoin put into a real script that will execute as a real and valid transaction on the bitcoin network
3/ “Lightning is an altcoin”
Lightning is built entirely of Bitcoin scripts, so if anyone wanted to prove that Lightning is an altcoin, they could simply demonstrate which of the handful of Bitcoin scripts can be executed with a fake balance of Bitcoins. Spoiler alert: you can’t
4a/ “Lightning requires 3rd party watchtowers"
Watchtowers don't have to be 3rd parties. They are simply a piece of software you can run on a device (other than your lightning wallet) that's always connected to the internet, possibly cellphone, home PC, leased server, etc
4b/ Watchtowers are for the worse case scenario: Your wallet is offline for 3 days *AND* one of your counterparties is technical, *AND* the channel has less on your side than it did at some previous time, *AND* the person is malicious, *AND* the person is aware your node is down
4c/ Which is made further unlikely if they think you *MAY* have a watchtower, and lose *all* of their funds. You don't have to have a watch tower... Just the threat of one is sufficient in many cases
5/ "It's centralized”
- Centralized systems have a central point of control/failure, Lightning does not have that by design
6/ "Hubs can sensor transactions"
- Lightning network makes censorship of Bitcoin addresses actually more difficult, not less since hubs have no knowledge of the source nor destination
- It’s trivial to route around censorship
- This argument also applies to miners
7a/ “They haven’t solved routing”
Routing has been solved for decades. While lightning can’t use the same type of routing as TCP/IP because of it’s ad-hoc mesh topology, there are many solutions that can be used for navigation
7b/ Hub and spoke model with custodial wallets like exchanges represent a majority of on-chain volume. Those channels will have stable connections
8a/ "You still don't have enough on-chains to add everyone to LN"
- Expecting one scaling solution to solve scaling for the entire world population at this moment is ridiculous
- There will be very little demand for closing channels
8b/ With splicing, you can close & open a new channel with a single on-chain transaction. This also ignores that other scaling solutions will be developed. Layer 1 scaling would lead to exponential improvements in Layer 2 TPS (ex: Segwit, Schnorr)
9a/ "It's too complex, no one will use it."
- Complexity is always ****** away behind a user interface
- No single person knows how to make an object as simple as the common pencil (
9b/ 99.99% of the population that uses TVs, Cell phones, Smart phones, radios, cars, etc. they have no idea how complex they are, nor have any knowledge of how they function
9c/ Lightning is in its development and bootstrapping phase. It is certainly hard to utilize for anyone who doesn’t understand what’s occurring behind the scenes. The protocol is complex and will only be successfully realized if most people don’t need to know how or why it works
9d/ When the internet was first being realized, you couldn’t utilize it without being highly technical. These are age-old challenges of protocols that never go away. Bitcoin was equally complicated 7–8 years ago and didn’t even have a single decent GUI.
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2/ “Lightning is an IOU”
In no way are they transactions IOUs. The money you receive in a channel is under your complete control instantly. You may spend, or transfer back to the blockchain at your leisure
3/ “Lightning is fractional reserve”
Can you spend more Bitcoin inside the escrow than actually exist? Of course not, because it’s real bitcoin put into a real script that will execute as a real and valid transaction on the bitcoin network
3/ “Lightning is an altcoin”
Lightning is built entirely of Bitcoin scripts, so if anyone wanted to prove that Lightning is an altcoin, they could simply demonstrate which of the handful of Bitcoin scripts can be executed with a fake balance of Bitcoins. Spoiler alert: you can’t
4a/ “Lightning requires 3rd party watchtowers"
Watchtowers don't have to be 3rd parties. They are simply a piece of software you can run on a device (other than your lightning wallet) that's always connected to the internet, possibly cellphone, home PC, leased server, etc
4b/ Watchtowers are for the worse case scenario: Your wallet is offline for 3 days *AND* one of your counterparties is technical, *AND* the channel has less on your side than it did at some previous time, *AND* the person is malicious, *AND* the person is aware your node is down
4c/ Which is made further unlikely if they think you *MAY* have a watchtower, and lose *all* of their funds. You don't have to have a watch tower... Just the threat of one is sufficient in many cases
5/ "It's centralized”
- Centralized systems have a central point of control/failure, Lightning does not have that by design
6/ "Hubs can sensor transactions"
- Lightning network makes censorship of Bitcoin addresses actually more difficult, not less since hubs have no knowledge of the source nor destination
- It’s trivial to route around censorship
- This argument also applies to miners
7a/ “They haven’t solved routing”
Routing has been solved for decades. While lightning can’t use the same type of routing as TCP/IP because of it’s ad-hoc mesh topology, there are many solutions that can be used for navigation
7b/ Hub and spoke model with custodial wallets like exchanges represent a majority of on-chain volume. Those channels will have stable connections
8a/ "You still don't have enough on-chains to add everyone to LN"
- Expecting one scaling solution to solve scaling for the entire world population at this moment is ridiculous
- There will be very little demand for closing channels
8b/ With splicing, you can close & open a new channel with a single on-chain transaction. This also ignores that other scaling solutions will be developed. Layer 1 scaling would lead to exponential improvements in Layer 2 TPS (ex: Segwit, Schnorr)
9a/ "It's too complex, no one will use it."
- Complexity is always ****** away behind a user interface
- No single person knows how to make an object as simple as the common pencil (
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)9b/ 99.99% of the population that uses TVs, Cell phones, Smart phones, radios, cars, etc. they have no idea how complex they are, nor have any knowledge of how they function
9c/ Lightning is in its development and bootstrapping phase. It is certainly hard to utilize for anyone who doesn’t understand what’s occurring behind the scenes. The protocol is complex and will only be successfully realized if most people don’t need to know how or why it works
9d/ When the internet was first being realized, you couldn’t utilize it without being highly technical. These are age-old challenges of protocols that never go away. Bitcoin was equally complicated 7–8 years ago and didn’t even have a single decent GUI.
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Chicos, cómo pensais, qué perspectivas tiene bitcoin? Me alegró mucho su crecimiento reciente hasta el nivel de 6800, pero después bitcoin abandonó su posición y bajó de nuevo hasta 6100
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A medio plazo me da que subirá a los 7000. Mientras seguira como ahora, casi lateral con dientes de sierra, que algunos sabrán aprovechar...
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Interesante hilo sobre el suministro fijo de Bitcoins:
1/ Bitcoin or an altcoin’s fixed supply is far more than simply its code. The key is *how easy* this variable is to change.
2/ If an increase/decrease can be forked in, it can be forked out. The very fact that monetary policy is open for discussion is a threat.
3/ The strength of bitcoin’s supply limit comes from a combination of factors:
4/ a) Node sovereignty - regardless of whether a minority or majority want to change the supply, myself and others can always choose to personally maintain what we consider to be the optimal monetary policy.
5/ b) Ideology - could also be referred to as “social contract”. The more people that understand/believe in the sanctity of an unchangeable monetary supply, the less likely they are to accept changes to it.
6/ c) Culture - overlaps with ideology above. Precedent is extremely important. If the supply has been changed before, it means it’s something we can debate and argue over. It will always be under threat of change.
7/ d) Economics - participants in the system have strong incentives to resist any increases in the supply, which would immediately devalue their holdings. Non-participants may have opposite incentives, but they have no influence on the system.
8/ In summary, the strength of bitcoin's scarcity is not based on a parameter within the code, which as @truthcoin says, is very easy to achieve. Instead, it's derived from both the physical (nodes, hardware, network structure) and social (culture, ideology, economic).
9/ These properties are *extremely difficult to replicate*. None of the existing altcoins look like they are close, least of all Ethereum (increasingly node-lite network; total lack of any coherent ideology; bad precedent; governance-heavy).
10/ As the understanding of the personal and societal advantages of sound money grows, and waves of gimmicky altcoins continue to fail, I have no doubt that we'll eventually see attempts at "soundcoins".
11/ Either through releasing new alts, or repurposing existing ones, these will compete on their "soundness" credentials. But they'll be way behind by that point, for the reasons stated above.
1/ Bitcoin or an altcoin’s fixed supply is far more than simply its code. The key is *how easy* this variable is to change.
2/ If an increase/decrease can be forked in, it can be forked out. The very fact that monetary policy is open for discussion is a threat.
3/ The strength of bitcoin’s supply limit comes from a combination of factors:
4/ a) Node sovereignty - regardless of whether a minority or majority want to change the supply, myself and others can always choose to personally maintain what we consider to be the optimal monetary policy.
5/ b) Ideology - could also be referred to as “social contract”. The more people that understand/believe in the sanctity of an unchangeable monetary supply, the less likely they are to accept changes to it.
6/ c) Culture - overlaps with ideology above. Precedent is extremely important. If the supply has been changed before, it means it’s something we can debate and argue over. It will always be under threat of change.
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7/ d) Economics - participants in the system have strong incentives to resist any increases in the supply, which would immediately devalue their holdings. Non-participants may have opposite incentives, but they have no influence on the system.
8/ In summary, the strength of bitcoin's scarcity is not based on a parameter within the code, which as @truthcoin says, is very easy to achieve. Instead, it's derived from both the physical (nodes, hardware, network structure) and social (culture, ideology, economic).
9/ These properties are *extremely difficult to replicate*. None of the existing altcoins look like they are close, least of all Ethereum (increasingly node-lite network; total lack of any coherent ideology; bad precedent; governance-heavy).
10/ As the understanding of the personal and societal advantages of sound money grows, and waves of gimmicky altcoins continue to fail, I have no doubt that we'll eventually see attempts at "soundcoins".
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11/ Either through releasing new alts, or repurposing existing ones, these will compete on their "soundness" credentials. But they'll be way behind by that point, for the reasons stated above.
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ShenMa acaba de publicar los resultados de los test de su nuevo minero, el M10.
Trabaja de forma estable a 33.2TH/s con un consumo en pared de 2190W. Eso equivale 66W/TH, lo que significa que sus chips de 16nm están a la par que los de 7nm.
ShenMa esta liderado por Yang Zuo Xing, antes en Bitmain cómo diseñador del S9.
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Una planta hidroeléctrica en NY será restaurada para dedicarse a la minería.
"The damn will be fully dedicated to the mining facility owned and operated by Super Crypto Mining. The farm will have access to a clean, renewable and cheap source of electricity, therefore, giving it a competitive advantage in the country."
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Artículo de Samson Mow que se sumerge en el negocio de Bitmain desde su ascenso fortuito hasta lo que es hoy.
Trabaja de forma estable a 33.2TH/s con un consumo en pared de 2190W. Eso equivale 66W/TH, lo que significa que sus chips de 16nm están a la par que los de 7nm.
ShenMa esta liderado por Yang Zuo Xing, antes en Bitmain cómo diseñador del S9.
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Una planta hidroeléctrica en NY será restaurada para dedicarse a la minería.
"The damn will be fully dedicated to the mining facility owned and operated by Super Crypto Mining. The farm will have access to a clean, renewable and cheap source of electricity, therefore, giving it a competitive advantage in the country."
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Artículo de Samson Mow que se sumerge en el negocio de Bitmain desde su ascenso fortuito hasta lo que es hoy.
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una planta hidroelectrica entera para los caprichos del capitalismo financiero improductivo
yo dedicaría esa central a proporcionar energía barata para las clases populares y no para artificios imaginarios capitalistas sin valor real
hay que lograr el socialismo mundial
yo dedicaría esa central a proporcionar energía barata para las clases populares y no para artificios imaginarios capitalistas sin valor real
hay que lograr el socialismo mundial
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Claro que sí, "guapi".
Que sea el polit buró, y no el libre mercado, el que determine qué cosas tienen "valor real" y cuáles no. Verás tú que bien nos va.
Si Bitcoin tiene fuerza hoy en día, es porque fue diseñado desde el principio para prevenir que comunistas de manos largas como tú pudiese envilecer la moneda falsificándola, inflacionándola o, directamente, robándola de sus legítimos propietarios.
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Porque el venezolano parece que no "tira". Aunque seguramente sea el euro que les impide devaluar la moneda para salir de la crisis y tal.
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A mi este señor me da mucho miedo, me ha hecho recordar 1984 de Orwell con esa frase...
Quieren un mundo no ya como Venezuela, sino como Corea del norte para los demás, pero eso sí, para ellos pertenecer al partido interior viviendo de querida progenitora a costa de los que doblan el lomo.
Tendréis que conquistar el mundo entero por las armas si queréis acabar con Bitcoin, lo tenéis muy difícil.
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¿y quien te impedia hacerlo hasta ahora? Claro, es mas facil que arriesguen el dinero los demas, mientras tu foreas en Burbuja.
Muy listo no eres. Si nadie la ponia en marcha hasta ahora, es por que no era rentable. Esto resulta en que costaba mas restaurarla que lo que iba a generar y esto es asi, lo haga el malvado capital o tu estado Bolivariano con los impuestos de todos.
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Han conseguido hacer un cambio atómico de ETH (onchain) a BTC (LN offchain).
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Esa planta lo que produce es LIBERTAD, algo incompatible con el socialismo.
bmbnct
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Neutrino, modo SPV con validación y privacidad mejorada, próximamente en Bitcoin Core. Ideal para clientes con capacidad limitada.
Neutrino is coming to Bitcoin Core. This mode allows for reasonable SPV client with improved validation and privacy. The p2p network will soon be able to support LN lite clients like mobile phones. Very cool work from @jimpo_potamus and all the contributors to BIP158 and Neutrino.
Neutrino is coming to Bitcoin Core. This mode allows for reasonable SPV client with improved validation and privacy. The p2p network will soon be able to support LN lite clients like mobile phones. Very cool work from @jimpo_potamus and all the contributors to BIP158 and Neutrino.
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Cada vez se pone peor para Bitmain:
Three Bitmain teams abandoned the company in recent weeks: one group from operations and manufacturing, & two groups from their chip design division. One of those groups is actively trying to raise capital to compete with Bitmain. They approached a friend of mine.
Three Bitmain teams abandoned the company in recent weeks: one group from operations and manufacturing, & two groups from their chip design division. One of those groups is actively trying to raise capital to compete with Bitmain. They approached a friend of mine.
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Bitcoin es inmisericorde, y eso me encanta.
Espero que sea igual de inmisericorde cuando toque ir a liquidar esa una cosa neofeudal que gobierna la economía mundial desde hace un par de siglos
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No parece que bcrash este muy afectado por toda esta movida.
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Análisis técnico de Bitcoin (BTC/EUR) 27.08.2018
Inicia la sesión de hoy lunes mientras el precio de Bitcoin se negocia por debajo de €5800, podemos observar como el precio se mueve de manera lateral por lo que la opción más evidente para analizar una compra está en el cruce de medias moviles (EMA) 9/26.
Desde el lado fundamental los ETFs de CBOE juegan un papel importante en el sentimiento de mercado, para muchos expertos estos serán los primeros ETFs que realmente se acoplen a los requerimientos de la SEC.
Puntos destacados
- Bitcoin en un área lateralizada
- Un bajo volumen de compradores
- La sesión está siendo dominada por los bajistas
Analizando el gráfico BTC/EUR en un tiempo de un día, podemos ver como el precio lateraliza, por otra parte el par tocó el canal Donchian para luego continuar hacia una área en el que las medias moviles parecen acercarse.
Debemos tener cuidado con este tipo de movimientos en el precio de Bitcoin ya que el volumen es bajo y esto nos podría enviar a un soporte en los €5487 si se valida la continuación bajista. La resistencia del par se encuentra en los €6000. Bitcoin debe obtener un fuerte impulso para lograr romper y sostener por encima de dicha resistencia, la opción más vadeable se basa en el fundamental de los ETFs.
El RSI se mantiene en la línea del 50% sin embargo el bajo volumen de compradores advierte de una caída la cual puede mover dicho RSI por debajo del 40%.
Indicadores técnicos
- Canal Donchian 15, 15, 1
- Medias moviles (EMA) 9/26
- Soporte de precio €5487
- Resistencia de precio €6000
- RSI al 50% con posible descenso
Análisis técnico de Bitcoin (BTC/EUR) 27.08.2018
Inicia la sesión de hoy lunes mientras el precio de Bitcoin se negocia por debajo de €5800, podemos observar como el precio se mueve de manera lateral por lo que la opción más evidente para analizar una compra está en el cruce de medias moviles (EMA) 9/26.
Desde el lado fundamental los ETFs de CBOE juegan un papel importante en el sentimiento de mercado, para muchos expertos estos serán los primeros ETFs que realmente se acoplen a los requerimientos de la SEC.
Puntos destacados
- Bitcoin en un área lateralizada
- Un bajo volumen de compradores
- La sesión está siendo dominada por los bajistas
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Analizando el gráfico BTC/EUR en un tiempo de un día, podemos ver como el precio lateraliza, por otra parte el par tocó el canal Donchian para luego continuar hacia una área en el que las medias moviles parecen acercarse.
Debemos tener cuidado con este tipo de movimientos en el precio de Bitcoin ya que el volumen es bajo y esto nos podría enviar a un soporte en los €5487 si se valida la continuación bajista. La resistencia del par se encuentra en los €6000. Bitcoin debe obtener un fuerte impulso para lograr romper y sostener por encima de dicha resistencia, la opción más vadeable se basa en el fundamental de los ETFs.
El RSI se mantiene en la línea del 50% sin embargo el bajo volumen de compradores advierte de una caída la cual puede mover dicho RSI por debajo del 40%.
Indicadores técnicos
- Canal Donchian 15, 15, 1
- Medias moviles (EMA) 9/26
- Soporte de precio €5487
- Resistencia de precio €6000
- RSI al 50% con posible descenso