*Tema mítico* : ⚡ Ya es oficial, ha ganado el Brexit por más de 1.000.000 de votos (III)



Esto esta claramente recogido en el acuerdo UK/EU , si el coche “TATA” tienie origen de 60% o 40% de la piezas UK o EU ( no me recuerda el % excato) se puede exportar como si es “Made in UK” en cambio si el origen UK/EU es inferior esta considerado “Extra comunitario”

El Uk no va engañar en la emisión de certificados de Origen porque esto si será una rotura de contrato y sujeto a sanciones, en cambio yo veo esto una problema para el Eu quien tendrá “certificados de origen EU “ expedido en Rumania por productos No EU … pero a efectos legales esto sera responsabilidad de todo el EU y el UK podre imponer sanciones a todo el EU si Rumania Expedia falsos certificados de origen….. eg aceite de oliva de Tunicia como aceite de oliva Italiano…. O tomates de jovenlandia como tomates de España….. o ropa “Made in China” con etiquetas “made in Italy” y certificados de origen “Made in EU”….
 
Pero pararle los pies a ese tipo de prácticas es ahora muchísimo más sencillo. De hecho esta futura jungla de arbitrajes hace que, desde dentro de la UE, sea muy fácil parar algo. Lo complicado será echarlo a andar.

Compara estas dos situaciones:

Estando ambos dentro de la UE, ¿a quién va a hacerles la UE más caso en un conflicto que requiera arbitraje, a los valencianos o a los ingleses?

Estando los ingleses fuera de la UE, ¿a quién va a hacerles la UE más caso, a los valencianos o a los ingleses?

Naturalmente también dependerá todo de que haya un estado español y una diplomacia española competentes y voluntariosos. Pero su existencia o su falta de ella no tiene que ver con el Brexit.

Estas confundiendo el arbitraje dentro del EU con el arbitraje del acuerdo UK/EU

Dentro del EU el arbitraje del EU se hace en el Tribunal de Justicia de EU con arreglo a los tratados del EU.

El arbitraje del tratado UK / EU se hace con arreglo al tratado UK /EU y lo hace tribunales internacionales independientes,
eg
si la fruta es sobre normativas laborales, dado que se rigen las normativas ILO en el acuerdo UK/EU será un tribunal de arbitraje del ILO quien decidera si hay infracción o no.

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Por algún razón parece que algunos foreros piensen que el UK es sujeto a las normativas del EU y el tribunal de justicia del EU, esto es un gran equivocación.
 
¿Primera victima del Brexit?

el EU avisa que el nuevo banderilla anti Elbichito 19 de Oxford-AstraZeneca no va ser aprobado por su uso en el EU porque AstraZeneca no ha entregado todos los papeles al EU para su aprobación…… el UK lo ha autorizado hoy y hace tiempo compro 100 millón de dosis, y los primeros dosis estén siendo distribuido…

En el parlamento Británico se esta estudiando a que países el UK va mandar los millónes de dosis que van a sobrar obviamente el EU se ha auto excluido, en fin algún ex colonia que no ha comprado bastantes les va recibir….


¿ En Brexit.info hace años se estaba diciendo que al UK le iba faltar medicamentos debido al Brexit? Vaya Owned.
 
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Mientras tanto en el parlamento Britanico continua el circo;

los Fruta fanáticos pro Europeas del partido “Liberal demócratas” y los independistas Escosases votan en contra del acuerdo y a favor de que no hay ninguna acuerdo UK/EU……. ellos quieren un “Hard Brexit” con la esperanza que un “Hard Brexit” facilitara un cambio en el UK y que después de un hard Brexit el UK vota volver al EU….


No obstante hace muy poco días esto dos partidos políticos estaban diciendo que Boris iba imponer un “hard Brexit” a propósito y que esto será una desastre para el UK….



Obviamente boris va aprobar por una mayoría aplastante ( mas de 2/3 del parlamento ) su tratado con el EU…
 
Tienes la equivocada idea de que los Tata son baratos porque se hacen en un país con mano de obra barata y no porque sus estándares están muy por debajo de lo que exige la UE. Y de lo de importar naranjas sudafricanas y reetiquetarlas como cultivadas en Kent mejor no hablemos.

¿O tú te crees que toda esta proliferación de normativas de calidad y seguridad dentro de la UE no es otra cosa que proteccionismo? La UE lleva veinte años preparándose para pararle los pies a los coches indios y chinos con subterfugios ecológicos y tener a las islas como pseudomaquiladora no alteraría la situación.

Interesante. ¿Y que le impide a la India o China hacer coches ecológicos ellos mismos?
 
Interesante. ¿Y que le impide a la India o China hacer coches ecológicos ellos mismos?

No necesitan hacerlos ecológicos para venderlos en su mercado interior y no les resultaría rentable crear una cadena de producción paralela sólo para exportar unos miles a Europa cuando la cadena principal está diseñada para producir cientos de miles o millones. Aparte de que el único argumento comercial ante el consumidor europeo es que serían más baratos.

En cambio los coches europeos con lujos añadidos sí tienen mercado en China (no sé si en la India pasa igual) para un sector muy concreto y rentable de compradores y es mucho más sencillo hacerlos más lujosos añadiéndoles extras que hacer ecológico un coche que no lo es.
 
No necesitan hacerlos ecológicos para venderlos en su mercado interior y no les resultaría rentable crear una cadena de producción paralela sólo para exportar unos miles a Europa cuando la cadena principal está diseñada para producir cientos de miles o millones. Aparte de que el único argumento comercial ante el consumidor europeo es que serían más baratos.

En cambio los coches europeos con lujos añadidos sí tienen mercado en China (no sé si en la India pasa igual) para un sector muy concreto y rentable de compradores y es mucho más sencillo hacerlos más lujosos añadiéndoles extras que hacer ecológico un coche que no lo es.
Pues China ya está pasándose al rollo ecológico. ¿Por qué se va a aislar voluntariamente de un mercado lucrativo? Solo porque los occidentales decidan actuar de forma poco sensata no significa que ellos se dejen engañar, además los problemas de polución en China son notables. Es el mismo caso de Japón, que ya está haciendo coches eléctricos e híbridos sin necesidad de ningún tipo de normativa interna.
 


Yo no subestimo en absoluto a India y China. Lo que tengo muy claro es que el UK no está en una posición particularmente buena a la hora de utilizarlas como aliados comerciales o industriales. Y ellos se creen que sí.
 

Sí, el Reino Unido nos tiene cogidos por las bowling, cuando quiera hacer daño al continente no tiene más que cerrar Dover y dejar a Europa aislada. A todo lo demás de que UK va a ser el distribuidor ilegal europeo de China e India... buena suerte con eso, recuerdo que Noruega hizo algo así con un pase de ajos chinos...por poco tiempo.
En fin, antes de escupir por el colmillo cuñadil podrías leerte el tratado, al menos alguna parte que te interese. Más que nada porque para pasarte el hilo diciéndole a la peña que no tiene ni idea deberías tener, al menos, idea.
 

Cierto es que cada vez te pareces más a Pat... todo lo demás es opinable, y fácilmente contraargumentable, pero por ahora voy a emplear mejor mi tiempo y bucear un poco en "la letra pequeña". Sí, ya sé, cosa poco habitual, pero cada uno con sus vicios, hoyga.
 
OH DEAR!!!!!!!!!!

Brexit 'big bang' to trigger tectonic trading rift in Europe



LONDON (Reuters) - Europe will see its biggest transfer of share trading in more than two decades when stock exchanges open for business in 2021, with Brexit shifting its centre of gravity away from London.




FILE PHOTO: A general view shows The Bank of England and the City of London financial district, amid the outbreak of the cobi19 disease (ELbichito-19), in London, Britain, November 5, 2020. REUTERS/John Sibley/File Photo
While market players hope that years of preparations since Britain voted to leave the European Union means the transition of most euro-denominated assets like shares and derivatives out of the country will be relatively smooth, the long-term impact is unclear.

“This is a big bang event and that is one of the things that the market hasn’t truly understood yet,” Alasdair Haynes, chief executive of London-based share trading platform Aquis Exchange, told Reuters.

“This is literally everything moves on a specific day and we have got to pray to God that we don’t have some extraordinary event happen in the market that creates high volumes,” Haynes said.

While the landmark trade deal agreed last week set rules for industries such as fishing and agriculture, it did not cover Britain’s much larger finance sector, meaning automatic access to the EU’s financial markets comes to an end on Dec 31.

The trinc days will provide a first taste of the effects of the shift and regulators on both sides of the English Channel will be on alert for market dislocations on Jan 4, the first trading day of the new year.

The EU wants to reduce reliance on the City of London for financial services and see more euro-based trading in Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam and other financial centres in the bloc.


That will split Europe’s stock, bond and derivatives markets into two separate trading pools, raising concerns that investors will get less competitive prices.

EU banks must trade euro-denominated shares inside the bloc from Jan. 4, forcing them to switch from platforms run by the likes of Cboe Europe, Aquis Exchange, London Stock Exchange’s Turquoise and Goldman Sachs in London, to EU hubs they have peine in Amsterdam or Paris.

Most shares are still traded on their home exchange, but between them London platforms account for nearly all cross-border trading in shares in the remaining 27 EU states.

That amounted to 8.6 billion euros ($10.4 billion) a day collectively in October, or a quarter of all European trading, Cboe data shows.

David Howson, president of Cboe Europe, said almost all cross-border European stock trading will switch overnight.

The last time there was such a rapid shift in volumes was in 1998 when trading in 10-year German Bund futures by dealers in stripy jackets on the LIFFE exchange floor in London was lured by cheaper electronic screens to Frankfurt.


“It’s the biggest single share trading shift in the last two decades at least,” Howson said.

‘HUGE OWN GOAL’

For Aquis, more than half of its business will in future be in the EU rather than all in London, while Cboe is hopeful that clearing in share trades could move from rivals in London to its own clearing house in Amsterdam over time.

Goldman Sachs expects half the daily trading in shares on its Sigma-X Europe trading platform to shift over time to its new Paris hub from London.

Cboe held a simulation exercise on Dec. 5 and Howson said this revealed its customers expect to shift all their trading in European shares to EU venues.

Another of London’s top money spinners is its trade in trillions of euros in derivatives. This anomaly, which dates back to 1999 when Britain opted out of the euro’s launch, has seen a dominant share of trading in euro-denominated swaps take place in the capital.

The Bank of England has warned that trade in interest rate swaps worth around $200 billion could be disrupted, because banks operating in Britain and the EU must trade inside their own jurisdiction, or on approved platforms in New York.

It may force Britain at the last minute to ease its restrictions on swaps trading to minimise disruption.

Erik-Jan van Dijk, Achmea Investment Management’s head of treasury and derivatives, said regulators have already taken steps to mitigate some of the risks by allowing EU banks to continue clearing their derivatives in London temporarily.

But trading will have to move, and some counterparties with existing swaps contracts in Britain were reluctant to shift them before they absolutely had to.

“We may leave some existing positions in the UK and we might choose not to do business with those UK counterparties in future,” van Dijk said.

Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey has said he will have all its “armoury” at hand, although so far regulators say they do not expect any threats to financial stability.

“You can’t rule out that there will be some particular disruption given the scale of change, but overall we are satisfied there has been good proactive management of the risks across the system,” Nikhil Rathi, CEO of Britain’s Financial Conduct Authority, told Reuters.

The first day of trading in January may even be a quiet one as volumes could suffer if some market participants sit on the sidelines to see how the dust settles, Cboe and Aquis said.

In the longer term, the focus will be on just how much the volumes build up inside the EU and fall further in Britain.

“It’s not the start of the end of London, but it’s pretty bloody embarrassing and a huge own goal for Britain,” said Aquis’ Haynes.
 
OH DEAR!!!!!!!!!!

Brexit 'big bang' to trigger tectonic trading rift in Europe



LONDON (Reuters) - Europe will see its biggest transfer of share trading in more than two decades when stock exchanges open for business in 2021, with Brexit shifting its centre of gravity away from London.




FILE PHOTO: A general view shows The Bank of England and the City of London financial district, amid the outbreak of the cobi19 disease (ELbichito-19), in London, Britain, November 5, 2020. REUTERS/John Sibley/File Photo
While market players hope that years of preparations since Britain voted to leave the European Union means the transition of most euro-denominated assets like shares and derivatives out of the country will be relatively smooth, the long-term impact is unclear.

“This is a big bang event and that is one of the things that the market hasn’t truly understood yet,” Alasdair Haynes, chief executive of London-based share trading platform Aquis Exchange, told Reuters.

“This is literally everything moves on a specific day and we have got to pray to God that we don’t have some extraordinary event happen in the market that creates high volumes,” Haynes said.

While the landmark trade deal agreed last week set rules for industries such as fishing and agriculture, it did not cover Britain’s much larger finance sector, meaning automatic access to the EU’s financial markets comes to an end on Dec 31.

The trinc days will provide a first taste of the effects of the shift and regulators on both sides of the English Channel will be on alert for market dislocations on Jan 4, the first trading day of the new year.

The EU wants to reduce reliance on the City of London for financial services and see more euro-based trading in Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam and other financial centres in the bloc.


That will split Europe’s stock, bond and derivatives markets into two separate trading pools, raising concerns that investors will get less competitive prices.

EU banks must trade euro-denominated shares inside the bloc from Jan. 4, forcing them to switch from platforms run by the likes of Cboe Europe, Aquis Exchange, London Stock Exchange’s Turquoise and Goldman Sachs in London, to EU hubs they have peine in Amsterdam or Paris.

Most shares are still traded on their home exchange, but between them London platforms account for nearly all cross-border trading in shares in the remaining 27 EU states.

That amounted to 8.6 billion euros ($10.4 billion) a day collectively in October, or a quarter of all European trading, Cboe data shows.

David Howson, president of Cboe Europe, said almost all cross-border European stock trading will switch overnight.

The last time there was such a rapid shift in volumes was in 1998 when trading in 10-year German Bund futures by dealers in stripy jackets on the LIFFE exchange floor in London was lured by cheaper electronic screens to Frankfurt.


“It’s the biggest single share trading shift in the last two decades at least,” Howson said.

‘HUGE OWN GOAL’

For Aquis, more than half of its business will in future be in the EU rather than all in London, while Cboe is hopeful that clearing in share trades could move from rivals in London to its own clearing house in Amsterdam over time.

Goldman Sachs expects half the daily trading in shares on its Sigma-X Europe trading platform to shift over time to its new Paris hub from London.

Cboe held a simulation exercise on Dec. 5 and Howson said this revealed its customers expect to shift all their trading in European shares to EU venues.

Another of London’s top money spinners is its trade in trillions of euros in derivatives. This anomaly, which dates back to 1999 when Britain opted out of the euro’s launch, has seen a dominant share of trading in euro-denominated swaps take place in the capital.

The Bank of England has warned that trade in interest rate swaps worth around $200 billion could be disrupted, because banks operating in Britain and the EU must trade inside their own jurisdiction, or on approved platforms in New York.

It may force Britain at the last minute to ease its restrictions on swaps trading to minimise disruption.

Erik-Jan van Dijk, Achmea Investment Management’s head of treasury and derivatives, said regulators have already taken steps to mitigate some of the risks by allowing EU banks to continue clearing their derivatives in London temporarily.

But trading will have to move, and some counterparties with existing swaps contracts in Britain were reluctant to shift them before they absolutely had to.

“We may leave some existing positions in the UK and we might choose not to do business with those UK counterparties in future,” van Dijk said.

Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey has said he will have all its “armoury” at hand, although so far regulators say they do not expect any threats to financial stability.

“You can’t rule out that there will be some particular disruption given the scale of change, but overall we are satisfied there has been good proactive management of the risks across the system,” Nikhil Rathi, CEO of Britain’s Financial Conduct Authority, told Reuters.

The first day of trading in January may even be a quiet one as volumes could suffer if some market participants sit on the sidelines to see how the dust settles, Cboe and Aquis said.

In the longer term, the focus will be on just how much the volumes build up inside the EU and fall further in Britain.

“It’s not the start of the end of London, but it’s pretty bloody embarrassing and a huge own goal for Britain,” said Aquis’ Haynes.


veremos a medio plazo como esto acaba, personalmente yo veo dos problemas para el EU.

  • Liquidez; las empresas europeas cotizan en el UK por la gran cantidad de liquidez mundial que hay en Londres.
  • Costes; a fragmentar se va aumentar los costes y las empresas europeas van a pagar mas por lo que tenían por mucho menos en Londres.
 
OH DEAR!!!!!!!!!!

Brexit 'big bang' to trigger tectonic trading rift in Europe



LONDON (Reuters) - Europe will see its biggest transfer of share trading in more than two decades when stock exchanges open for business in 2021, with Brexit shifting its centre of gravity away from London.




FILE PHOTO: A general view shows The Bank of England and the City of London financial district, amid the outbreak of the cobi19 disease (ELbichito-19), in London, Britain, November 5, 2020. REUTERS/John Sibley/File Photo
While market players hope that years of preparations since Britain voted to leave the European Union means the transition of most euro-denominated assets like shares and derivatives out of the country will be relatively smooth, the long-term impact is unclear.

“This is a big bang event and that is one of the things that the market hasn’t truly understood yet,” Alasdair Haynes, chief executive of London-based share trading platform Aquis Exchange, told Reuters.

“This is literally everything moves on a specific day and we have got to pray to God that we don’t have some extraordinary event happen in the market that creates high volumes,” Haynes said.

While the landmark trade deal agreed last week set rules for industries such as fishing and agriculture, it did not cover Britain’s much larger finance sector, meaning automatic access to the EU’s financial markets comes to an end on Dec 31.

The trinc days will provide a first taste of the effects of the shift and regulators on both sides of the English Channel will be on alert for market dislocations on Jan 4, the first trading day of the new year.

The EU wants to reduce reliance on the City of London for financial services and see more euro-based trading in Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam and other financial centres in the bloc.


That will split Europe’s stock, bond and derivatives markets into two separate trading pools, raising concerns that investors will get less competitive prices.

EU banks must trade euro-denominated shares inside the bloc from Jan. 4, forcing them to switch from platforms run by the likes of Cboe Europe, Aquis Exchange, London Stock Exchange’s Turquoise and Goldman Sachs in London, to EU hubs they have peine in Amsterdam or Paris.

Most shares are still traded on their home exchange, but between them London platforms account for nearly all cross-border trading in shares in the remaining 27 EU states.

That amounted to 8.6 billion euros ($10.4 billion) a day collectively in October, or a quarter of all European trading, Cboe data shows.

David Howson, president of Cboe Europe, said almost all cross-border European stock trading will switch overnight.

The last time there was such a rapid shift in volumes was in 1998 when trading in 10-year German Bund futures by dealers in stripy jackets on the LIFFE exchange floor in London was lured by cheaper electronic screens to Frankfurt.


“It’s the biggest single share trading shift in the last two decades at least,” Howson said.

‘HUGE OWN GOAL’

For Aquis, more than half of its business will in future be in the EU rather than all in London, while Cboe is hopeful that clearing in share trades could move from rivals in London to its own clearing house in Amsterdam over time.

Goldman Sachs expects half the daily trading in shares on its Sigma-X Europe trading platform to shift over time to its new Paris hub from London.

Cboe held a simulation exercise on Dec. 5 and Howson said this revealed its customers expect to shift all their trading in European shares to EU venues.

Another of London’s top money spinners is its trade in trillions of euros in derivatives. This anomaly, which dates back to 1999 when Britain opted out of the euro’s launch, has seen a dominant share of trading in euro-denominated swaps take place in the capital.

The Bank of England has warned that trade in interest rate swaps worth around $200 billion could be disrupted, because banks operating in Britain and the EU must trade inside their own jurisdiction, or on approved platforms in New York.

It may force Britain at the last minute to ease its restrictions on swaps trading to minimise disruption.

Erik-Jan van Dijk, Achmea Investment Management’s head of treasury and derivatives, said regulators have already taken steps to mitigate some of the risks by allowing EU banks to continue clearing their derivatives in London temporarily.

But trading will have to move, and some counterparties with existing swaps contracts in Britain were reluctant to shift them before they absolutely had to.

“We may leave some existing positions in the UK and we might choose not to do business with those UK counterparties in future,” van Dijk said.

Bank of England Governor Andrew Bailey has said he will have all its “armoury” at hand, although so far regulators say they do not expect any threats to financial stability.

“You can’t rule out that there will be some particular disruption given the scale of change, but overall we are satisfied there has been good proactive management of the risks across the system,” Nikhil Rathi, CEO of Britain’s Financial Conduct Authority, told Reuters.

The first day of trading in January may even be a quiet one as volumes could suffer if some market participants sit on the sidelines to see how the dust settles, Cboe and Aquis said.

In the longer term, the focus will be on just how much the volumes build up inside the EU and fall further in Britain.

“It’s not the start of the end of London, but it’s pretty bloody embarrassing and a huge own goal for Britain,” said Aquis’ Haynes.
Otra cosa en la que los ingleses salen ganando, logran echar a los que consideran una carga.
 
Parece que la UE también integra Gibraltar además de Irlanda del Norte. Se mete en Schengen, unión aduanera y los ingleses tendrán que utilizar pasaporte para ir al peñón.

Los intereses económicos van a por los restos del mercado británico. Se subastan los restos del imperio.

Esto es el mercado amigo!!!!!!

A lo mejor Chipre también recupera los territorios ingleses en un par de semanas. Me permito recordar que los efectos del brexit se empezarán a notar mañana, cuando se acabe el período de transición.
 

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