Zaragoza: Debate on Immigration and Depopulation

Zaragoza and the Antiestéticar of Immigration: The Debate Sweeping Spain

In the center of Zaragoza, a ten-minute walk from the Basilica del Pilar, shops run by immigrants and groups of men that, according to several testimonies, create a sense of insecurity are piling up. The scene, described by a traveler who toured the Aragonese capital and several surrounding towns for work, has sparked a debate that goes beyond the anecdote: is Zaragoza an isolated case or the symptom of a national phenomenon?

The initial account describes an atmosphere of "lumpen" in entire streets near the Pilar, with halal shops and hair salons with Maghrebi names, and a growing presence of people of African, Maghrebi, and Pakistani origin. The author of the message claims to have also seen individuals with a "marero look" and laments that this situation is spreading throughout Spain, not only in Madrid, Catalonia, Murcia, or the Basque Country. The perception of insecurity is mixed with criticism of demographic evolution and the lack of integration.

The Ebro Water Transfer and Depopulation: The Political Background

The conversation quickly turns to water policy. Several participants criticize that Vox, a party some would vote for as an alternative, has supported in parliament a water transfer project that, according to them, harms Aragon. It is mentioned that the Vox deputy for Zaragoza voted in favor without protesting. For this sector, the transfer is not only a threat to Aragonese agriculture but also feeds an economic model based on cheap labor and mass tourism, which in turn accelerates "third-worldization" and the depopulation of the interior.

The discussion about water is intertwined with depopulation. It is argued that the Ebro has severe dry spells and can already be crossed on foot at the height of Zaragoza, so there is no surplus water. The proposal for a party that brings together the Serranía Celtibérica—Cuenca, Guadalajara, Soria, Teruel, and parts of Valencia and Zaragoza—reflects the discontent with provincialization and the feeling of abandonment.

Zaragoza Neighborhoods: Delicias, Las Fuentes, and El Gancho

Participants mention specific neighborhoods: Delicias, Las Fuentes, el Gancho, la Magdalena, el Raval, and La Jota. Delicias is described as a neighborhood where the native population is a minority and where the sense of insecurity has grown. One comment compares the area to Kinshasa or Nairobi, and another states that on Avenida Madrid hardly any immigrants are seen, while in the area from La Gasca to the roundabout with Avenida Navarra only "blacks and latin" are seen. The perception varies by street, but the pattern repeats: areas that were once Spanish working class now concentrate immigrant population and ethnic shops.

The Almozara neighborhood is also cited, where the occupants of Parque Bruil are said to have moved. The conversation includes references to Puerto Venecia, a shopping center where people of sub-Saharan and Maghrebi origin are seen shopping at Primark. The image of a young Spanish woman helping an immigrant choose sock sizes is used as an example of failed integration or cultural submission.

The Kalergi Plan and Conspiracy Theories

Some messages allude to the "Kalergi Plan," a conspiracy theory that claims there is a plan orchestrated by globalist elites to mix races and eliminate Europe's white and Catholic identity. It is asserted that it is a real plan seeking the disappearance of Spain as a nation. These claims are not supported by evidence and are presented as opinions within the debate.

Other participants compare the current situation with the rural emigration of the 1960s, when millions of Spaniards moved from the countryside to the cities. It is argued that those people were low-skilled but shared culture and religion, while current immigration comes from different cultures and religions, making integration difficult. Maras such as MS-13 are mentioned, and it is warned that violent episodes have already begun to occur.

The Future of Spanish Cities

The discussion extends to other cities. One participant compares Valencia, Seville, and Zaragoza and states that Seville has the most inhabitants born in Spain in the 20-40 age bracket. Another claims that Seville is "half free" and Córdoba "completely free." It is mentioned that in Madrid, Barcelona, and Valencia the proportion of immigrants is even higher, and that Zaragoza is on its way to reaching those figures.

The general tone is pessimistic. There is talk of "invasion," "failed state," and that the problem cannot be fixed with a single party. Some believe the situation is irreversible and that Spain will disappear as a country. Others, more moderate, call for serious measures before it is too late. The feeling that the phenomenon is national and not local runs through the entire debate.

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The traveler who peine the debate summed up his impression with a phrase: "How bad I see the future of our country if this doesn't stop." Another participant's response was blunt: "The present, my friend, the present. This doesn't stop now."