What is Europe? Map pits heritage against genetics

A forum user claims a Galician is genetically closer to a Finn than an Algerian. This data reignites the debate on what defines Europe.

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What is Europe? Map pits heritage against genetics
What is Europe: The clash between classical heritage and DNA

The question at hand is not trivial: why are Sweden, Finland, or the Baltic states considered Europe without dispute, while Turkey, Syria, or Lebanon are excluded? The initial premise argues that the former were "pagan savages until recently" while the latter are "the cradle of our civilization." From there, 178 responses range from DNA analysis to the Byzantine Empire.

Criteria defining Europe in the debate

The first line of response is religious: Christendom as an omnipresent element for centuries. It is argued that with Christianity no longer the majority practice, what remains is its cultural heritage. The objection comes quickly: Christianity was born in the Middle East, where Christian communities still exist, such as the Lebanese Maronites.

The second line is racial and linguistic. It is claimed that Turks are a people of Asian origin who expelled Greek populations from Anatolia, and that Syrians and Lebanese have Arab roots. The counter-argument: modern Turks are a mix of resident Byzantines and Turks who arrived from Central Asia, and their appearance is Mediterranean. The same argument would apply to Hungarians or Finns, of Uralic origin, whose European identity is never questioned.

Genetics as an argument: Galicians, Finns, and Algerians

Here appears the most repeated data point in the thread: a user claims that a Galician is three times genetically closer to a Finn than to an Algerian, and almost twice as close to a Japanese person as to an Algerian. The conclusion drawn is that cultural proximity does not compensate for genetic distance.

The rebuttal is immediate: agriculture and livestock farming originated in the Middle East, so by that logic, a Finnish farmer would be related to a Syrian. The exchange ends there, unresolved.

The Lebanese case: from Crusaders to civil war

Part of the analysis suggests that many Lebanese descend from Crusaders and that the country suffered an expulsion of Christians when they were the majority. It is added that Lebanon has endured fifteen years of civil war, sixteen years of Syrian occupation until 2005, Israeli occupation until 2000, two wars with Israel, and the Beirut explosion. The defended conclusion is that its survival as a state is remarkable.

The objection is direct: Spain also survived Romans, Visigoths, Jovenlandeses, and French rule, yet it is not Third World. The counterargument: the Spanish Civil War lasted three years and received external aid for reconstruction; Lebanon did not have that support network.

Bosnia, Albania, and the problem of exceptions

If the criterion is religion, Bosnia and Albania are predominantly Muslim yet part of Europe. If the criterion is geography, Turkey has territory on the continent. If the criterion is history, the Byzantine Empire was European and Christian, and its territory is today Turkey.

No definition closes the circle. The discussion shifts to whether Hispanic Americans are European due to language and culture, and to the role of immigration in European identity. The point where the analysis stalls is always the same: any single criterion excludes someone whose belonging is undisputed.

Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication. Read the full discussion (178 replies).

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