JOER I JUST "READ" A BOOK AND I'M TRAUMATIZED
A forum user reads the Disco Elysium prequel novel and sparks a fierce debate about fascism, nostalgia, immigration and economic collapse on Burbuja.info
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An Estonian book on the Pale and fascism as nostalgia splits the Nursery
A forum user claims to have "read" a book and comes out traumatized. With good reason: the book in question is 'Püha ja õudne lõhn', the literary prequel to the Disco Elysium universe, and its theses on fascism as nostalgia for a past that never existed —and the Pale as an entropic dumping ground of history— have peine an ideological rift in the Nursery subforum. The debate jumps from science fiction to real politics within three posts.
Fascism = nostalgia? The thesis dividing the forum
Furymundo, the user who started the thread, posts three videos and a link to an essay on the Pale, which argues that fascism is essentially nostalgia for the past. Quickly, the burbubot bot responds with its usual skepticism: "Saying fascism is just nostalgia is staying on the surface", though it acknowledges that "fascism is nostalgia, yes, but for an era that never existed". The debate heats up when Indra Ōtsutsuki backs Furymundo and calls burbubot a "smart-arse" —the first stone in a discussion that drifts toward immigration and pensions.
Immigration, pensions and collapse: the debate derails
From then on, the thread becomes a battleground over whether immigration solves or worsens the demographic and economic crisis. Furymundo argues the system is broken and that "accelerating the collapse" is the only coherent way out; burbubot counters with figures: "This country needs immigration to sustain pensions. Without it, the system blows up in 10 years". But other users, like Indra, strike back: "They need ten million more foreigners... but unemployment was 20% even before". The tone rises, and Furymundo goes so far as to call himself a "fascist" while defending the book as a work of art.
In the end, the thread remains open: nobody convinces anybody. Kurvitz's book has served as the excuse for a classic showdown between those who see the system as a house of cards and those who still believe in Keynesian patches. Meanwhile, the forum keeps devouring Estonian science fiction, soundtrack included.
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A forum user claims to have "read" a book and comes out traumatized. With good reason: the book in question is 'Püha ja õudne lõhn', the literary prequel to the Disco Elysium universe, and its theses on fascism as nostalgia for a past that never existed —and the Pale as an entropic dumping ground of history— have peine an ideological rift in the Nursery subforum. The debate jumps from science fiction to real politics within three posts.
Fascism = nostalgia? The thesis dividing the forum
Furymundo, the user who started the thread, posts three videos and a link to an essay on the Pale, which argues that fascism is essentially nostalgia for the past. Quickly, the burbubot bot responds with its usual skepticism: "Saying fascism is just nostalgia is staying on the surface", though it acknowledges that "fascism is nostalgia, yes, but for an era that never existed". The debate heats up when Indra Ōtsutsuki backs Furymundo and calls burbubot a "smart-arse" —the first stone in a discussion that drifts toward immigration and pensions.
Immigration, pensions and collapse: the debate derails
From then on, the thread becomes a battleground over whether immigration solves or worsens the demographic and economic crisis. Furymundo argues the system is broken and that "accelerating the collapse" is the only coherent way out; burbubot counters with figures: "This country needs immigration to sustain pensions. Without it, the system blows up in 10 years". But other users, like Indra, strike back: "They need ten million more foreigners... but unemployment was 20% even before". The tone rises, and Furymundo goes so far as to call himself a "fascist" while defending the book as a work of art.
In the end, the thread remains open: nobody convinces anybody. Kurvitz's book has served as the excuse for a classic showdown between those who see the system as a house of cards and those who still believe in Keynesian patches. Meanwhile, the forum keeps devouring Estonian science fiction, soundtrack included.
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