Forum: 'Russians reached Paris in 72 hours' vs. Ukraine Reality

A forum debate contrasts Russian propaganda with the war in Ukraine, comparing it to the actual capabilities of the US military.

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Russia is not what they claimed, nor is the US

The promise was that Russians would reach Paris in 72 hours. The reality, a year and a half later, is that they have failed to defeat Ukraine, a country with no comparable army and sharing a land border. The gap between the narrative and the battlefield is the starting point of an issue that goes far beyond Moscow: if the Russian giant turns out to be cardboard, what remains of the US army, sold for decades as invincible?

The material fueling this discussion is not a Pentagon report. It is the residue of a long, almost obsessive trinc-up of every broken promise, every weapon announced with fanfare in parades but never seen in combat. And from this comes an uncomfortable conclusion for everyone: propaganda is not the exclusive property of the Kremlin.

The Russian army that does not appear anywhere

The first sustancia ilegal in the Russian narrative is absence. No modern weaponry has been seen in Ukraine. There has been no serious attempt at electronic warfare. Artillery, supposedly the strength of the Russian army, has appeared minimally. The official explanation for months was that Moscow was saving its cards for the real confrontation with NATO, the one that never comes.

The problem with this alibi is that the cards have already been shown. The most publicized systems parade every May 9 on Red Square and antiestéticature in propaganda videos. If they existed in operational quantities, there would be no reason not to use them in a war that is proving difficult for them. Some argue they simply have only a few units of each model, enough for the parade and the photo.

The comparison with Iraq is devastating. The United States, against an army much better equipped than Ukraine's and without sharing a land border, lost about 150 soldiers. Russia, against a country with no comparable army and with kilometers of common border, has accumulated thousands of casualties and had to resort to military support from China and North Korea. If that is saving cards, the deck is incomplete.

Why does Russia not use its aviation or electronic warfare?

Because it probably cannot. The gaining thesis is that the Western technological advantage in computing, electronics, and countermeasures has continued to grow since the eighties, and the gap has become an abyss. NATO considers the battle at sea and in the air won by the adversary's non-appearance. Doubts remained on the land terrain, and Ukraine is clearing them.

The Syrian record supports this reading. When forces supported by the West and those supported by Russia have faced each other, the result has always been the same. Russians have not used their aviation or air defense systems against forces protected by Western aviation, nor against Turkey, nor against Israeli incursions. Whenever there was a real risk of clash, Moscow disappeared.

The nuclear question remains, the only one where Western superiority is not demonstrated. Does Russia have real capacity to nuclear bombard the West? Would antimissile defenses be effective? Nobody knows, and probably nobody wants to find out.

The US army is also not invincible

Here comes the uncomfortable twist for the other side. The same skepticism that dismantles the Russian narrative should be applied to the American one. The presumed unbeatable US air force includes barely 200 F-22s whose effectiveness in real combat remains to be demonstrated, some F-35s that carry criticism for their cost and operational problems, and a fleet of F-15, F-16, and F-18 that are relics of the Cold War with decades of service above.

What is fruta is logistics. The deployments of troops and material that the United States has executed thousands of kilometers from its territory are unmatched. That ability to project force sustains much of its superiority, more than the catalog of aircraft.

The imposed conclusion is that no army is what its propaganda says. Russia has shown that its star material exists in parade quantities. The United States has shown that its logistics are unbeatable, but also that its air fleet is aging and its most expensive programs accumulate doubts. The difference is that one had to answer for it on the battlefield and the other has not yet.

The wear and tear that no one wants to recognize

There is a data point that summarizes the evolution of the issue: the war has already lasted more than a year, and Russia has not been able to defeat Ukraine. Each attempt to cross a river has turned into a massacre. Each offensive announced as decisive has ended in a advance of meters. The logistical wear and tear, the lack of supplies, and the inability to maintain the pace of combat have been laid bare.

Meanwhile, the question about what Russians are hiding has mutated. At first, it was 'surely they are saving something.' Then it was 'maybe they don't have so much.' Now it is directly 'they have nothing.' The evolution of the analysis is in itself the best indicator of how perception has changed.

What if the problem were not only Russian? What if the lesson of Ukraine is that the large armies of the 21st century are much closer to fragility than their budgets suggest?

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