China Accelerates in Technology as the West Loses Its Lead
In a discussion forum, several participants argue that the West is no longer at the technological forefront. They cite examples such as a Huawei laptop, an ORICO modular storage center with 168 terabytes of capacity, foldable and flexible screen smartphones, and a rapidly advancing automotive industry led by BYD and others. The question they raise is no longer whether China is catching up to the West, but how long it has been overtaking them without anyone noticing.
The issue extends beyond consumer electronics. In the military sector, one user claims China is preparing its fourth aircraft carrier of this series, capable of carrying ninety planes, and is testing a heavy tri-engine sixth-generation fighter whose acrobatic maneuvers, according to available data, do not seem typical for an aircraft of that weight. Additionally, China operates its own space station, which another participant describes as the most modern on the planet. The pogre, they argue, is comprehensive: there is no field where they are not pushing hard.
The Human Factor: More Engineers Than the Rest of the World Combined
One user offers a straightforward explanation. He states that China produces more STEM graduates — science, technology, engineering, and mathematics — than the ten or fifteen countries trinc it combined, excluding India. And this happens every year. When a country generates more scientists and engineers than the rest of the world put together, he argues, innovation ceases to be a surprise and becomes a matter of statistical weight.
Some claim Chinese merit lies solely in copying or espionage. According to this participant, that argument collapses when one realizes that Chinese universities do not give away grades; they are extremely rigorous. Furthermore, Nobel Prizes, awarded since 1901, measure nearly a century of European and North American dominance, not the present. The first Chinese Nobel Prize in Literature came in 2000, awarded to Gao Xingjian. Two physicists of Chinese origin, Chen Ning Yang and Tsung-Dao Lee, won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1957, but are counted as Americans because they had emigrated there. The brain drain was the price China paid for decades, he concludes.
Europe: Lots of Rules, Little Manufacturing
For many participants, the contrast with Europe is stark. Talent exists here — DeepMind was founded in London and acquired by Google for less than €500 million; ARM designs the most efficient chips in the mobile market from a small office in Cambridge; ASML manufactures EUV lithography machines in Eindhoven that no one else knows how to build, using German Zeiss optics from Jena and Mainz; Novo Nordisk bet two decades on GLP-1 receptor antagonists — but it is not capitalized upon. The problem is not capability, but the ecosystem, they argue.
Hyper-regulation and suffocating taxation bear the brunt, according to some. Brains either leave or remain as poorly paid interns. Meanwhile, China optimizes through state intervention, favoring the most productive and competitive companies at any given moment: currently those involved in artificial intelligence, led by Alibaba, Tencent, and Baidu. Another user points out an uncomfortable secret behind Chinese efficiency: the purchasing power of the Chinese worker remains light-years below the Western average. Development is built on forced internal savings that the West cannot replicate without dismantling its social model.
Chinese Debt: The Data No One Wants to Look At
The other side of the coin is debt. A user cites China’s total social financing — which aggregates public, private, and corporate debt — which grew by 8.7% year-on-year, more than double GDP growth, reaching 437.08 trillion yuan. This equates to approximately 312% of expected 2025 GDP, compared to 303% at the end of 2024. The figure comes from Michael Pettis and circulates as a reminder that the Chinese miracle also has its bill.
Another participant notes that the distinction matters: public debt is not the same as total debt, nor external debt as internal. A state can go bankrupt if it fails to pay its public debt; an economy can choke if private debt spirals out of control. In China, moreover, many banks are state-owned and many indebted companies operate with implicit state guarantees, blurring the line between public and private. Pettis’ data does not invalidate technological pogre, but reminds us that the model has costs that do not appear in product headlines.
What Has Changed in the Western Narrative?
During the nineties, the same media that today warn against China sold the idea that one had to invest there, that a company not present in China had no future, recalls a user. Offshoring and technology transfers from West to East were forced. Forty years of exporting technology almost for free so that shrewd operators could gain an extra 10% margin. Now they invent and produce, while we make PowerPoint presentations here.
The result, according to several participants, is a Europe that has become a net importer of technology and a net exporter of regulation. The image summarizing the cycle change: years ago, the average European family had one or two cars and the Chinese rode bicycles; now they use the cars and try to impose bicycles on us. The blow Europe is about to take, as some say, will be galactic.
How long will it take for the West to admit that it no longer leads the world, or will it even need to admit it?
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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