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Alibaba trades at PER 27 amid Chinese regulatory pressure
Alibaba trades at a P/E of 27 with a 24% net margin, but suffers a discount due to its Chinese origin: antitrust fines, Nasdaq delisting risk, and early-stage cloud growth.
Alibaba trades at PER 27 as Chinese regulators dictate its growth limits
Entries were recorded at $264 and $266.50 per share during the regulatory storm, signed with an unequivocal promise: "I sell at $1,000." Alibaba generates more revenue than Amazon—according to prevailing analyses—and boasts a 24% net margin, yet it carries a discount that no one disputes. It is Chinese. That is the crux of the matter.
The initial question was whether its stock value would grow as much as Amazon's. The arguments in favor seemed solid: 1.3 billion Chinese citizens, an accelerating middle class, and a pandemic that pushed e-commerce to absurd limits. The counterweight arrived before the second answer: the recurring suspicion regarding the reliability of financial statements from some companies in the country.
What is Alibaba worth according to its own numbers?
Gross margin of 43%, net margin of 24%, ROE of 18%, debt-to-assets ratio of 0.07, and a P/E of 27. This is the portrait of a mature company with young-company growth, explaining why Gates and Ray Dalio entered before the storm. Charlie Munger trinc later. When three such names coincide on the same asset, it is wise to look at the balance sheet before the flags.
Added to this is diversification: the company is not just an online marketplace and a cloud service. It holds stakes in other firms growing at double-digit rates, a semiconductor division, and a dominant position in a domestic market that no Western listed company can replicate. The other side of the scale is common sense: its commercial web does not fully engage European buyers, and expansion outside Asia remains an outstanding task.
Why comparing Tesla's P/E (1100) with Alibaba's (27) doesn't work
A P/E of 25 is considered normal in the tech sector. With that benchmark, Tesla at 1100, Square at 240, or PayPal at 81 stop looking expensive and start looking like something else. Amazon, everyone's reference, trades at 110. Alibaba, at 27.
The nuance came from someone with a calculator in hand: P/E is useful for comparing mature companies within the same sector, not for valuing a firm growing at 50% annually. With that growth, even a P/E of 180 would have logic, and a PEG of 0.5 would be a direct bargain. The warning applies in both directions and also to enthusiasm: if Tesla bursts, it drags the entire sector down by contagion.
The antitrust fine and the blow to Ant Group's IPO
The setback came from where almost no one was looking: the suspension of Ant Group's IPO and a new battery of antitrust rules. The reaction was panic. Some read the move as punishment for the founder and a simple reminder of who is in charge; others saw it as the end of the regulatory free-for-all. The stock price took time to recover.
The turn came with the fine, lower than what the market had discounted. The rebound was immediate and interpreted as the closure of uncertainty. No one ignored the real price of the deal: lowering commissions for platform sellers squeezes margins. Growth, optimists argued, absorbs that adjustment without breaking a sweat.
The risk no one discounts: Nasdaq exclusion
With the law to remove Chinese companies from the NYSE on the table, the price stopped recovering and waited. It is the only risk that does not depend on the company. Those maintaining the position with a cool head accept it: if withdrawal materialized, there is always rotating to Hong Kong, because Alibaba's natural market remains China.
Cloud, the pillar that turned Amazon into a monster
Amazon did not go from $500 to $3,000 per share selling books or through its online store: it did so through cloud computing. Alibaba has just started in that business, is in diapers compared to Bezos's cloud, but is already taking off. And there is a recurring data point: the proportion of tech unicorns emerging from China in recent years beats Silicon Valley.
Added to this is the chip division. Its subsidiary Pingtouge has developed the complete production chain for RISC-V semiconductors, with the XuanTie 910 processor launched on July 25, 2019, for applications including autonomous driving, aligned with the party's five-year plan. Internal competition is fierce: JD.com and Pinduoduo are growing faster in the short term and splitting the same market.
Projections: from $300 to $3,000
Circulating scenarios range from a floor of $200 to a hard-to-imagine ceiling. Some see $300 in a few months, others calculate that in five years it should trade at three times today's price, some ask for patience over fifteen or twenty years, and others maintain that as long as the party controls the company, it will never have Amazon's power.
None of this is resolved with ratios. With those margins on the table, the logical question is why anyone sells. The answer has been the same for a long time and appears on no balance sheet: it is Chinese.
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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