The 2,800-year-old magnifiers of Ialysos
Eight quartz crystals set in bronze, excavated in Ialysos (Rhodes) by Italian archaeologists in the 1920s and dated to an 8th-century BC stratum, remained unanalyzed for nearly a century, according to the thread's claims. It was not until February 2024 that a team from the University of Illinois and UC San Diego examined them, concluding they functioned as magnifying lenses with magnifications between 8 and 13 times. The core issue persists: for proponents of this thesis, when an object contradicts academic teaching, it is the object that is deemed aberrant.
The debate over the scientific and technical level of Antiquity resurfaces periodically. It returns because, it is argued, findings accumulate while official explanations remain stagnant.
Did ancients know a lens refracts light?
In the ruins of Assyrian King Ashurnasirpal II's palace, dating to the 9th century BC, a lens now housed in the British Museum was discovered: the so-called Nimrud Lens. According to criticisms raised in the thread, academia dismisses it as an amulet, cult object, or priestly symbol. The most common alternative explanation adds, is that it was a *curiosity without practical application*, implying the Assyrians possessed the lens but did not understand its optical properties. This is a difficult thesis to maintain when an Athenian play from 2,400 years ago describes such devices with complete naturalness.
In Aristophanes' *The Clouds* (444-385 BC), Strepsiades asks Socrates about a transparent stone used to start fires, purchased at the druggist's shop, suggesting its use to melt a court verdict document under the sun. It is neither exotic nor secret: it is sold and functional. The translation from Classical Greek leaves little room for doubt. The word used is *diaphanous*, referring to glass.
The Cretan lens Wikipedia omits
The American Journal of Archaeology published a study in 1987 by George Sines and Yannis A. Sakellarakis documenting two optical lenses found in a cave in Crete, alongside objects dated between the 8th and 6th centuries BC. One measured 8 millimeters, the other 15; the first was described in the paper itself as optically high-quality, allowing sharp images at 7x magnification without distortion. The same article notes that by that date, 23 lenses had been recovered from excavations on the island, several in the Palace of Knossos.
A revealing detail in how this information is transmitted, as pointed out in the thread, is that the Wikipedia entry on ancient magnifiers claims to be based on that article but cites none of its specific findings.
The Baghdad Battery and double standards
The so-called Parthian object, poorly known as the Baghdad Battery, serves as the uncomfortable example cited. For those proposing this view, there is no consensus on whether it was truly a battery; what stands out, they add, is the double standard: Spanish and English versions discredit it with arguments that contradict each other. Similar to the Minerva patera from the Hildesheim treasure, also cited in the debate, antiestéticaturing a gold layer over silver that requires explaining the technique used, or the Lycurgus Cup, from the 4th century, whose tonalidad change depending on light has not been replicated and which is displayed in the British Museum.
The list is extensive. According to a comment citing Suetonius, Nero was myopic and viewed through a carved emerald. In a Swiss tomb, a 4th-century Roman "joke jug" appeared, consisting of one glass vessel inside another, designed to showcase the glazier's skill. In the necropolis of Grottaferrata, near Rome, a 1st-century ring with a carved portrait produces a hologram-like effect.
Reflecting telescopes: invented in the 17th century?
Three distinct reflecting telescopes emerged within just ten years: the Gregorian in 1663, the Newtonian in 1671, and the Cassegrain in 1672. Those who argue they were not invented then rely on Hero of Alexandria's *Catoptrica*, from the 1st century, which already describes the functioning of concave mirrors. The coincidence of three designs in a decade, backed by centuries of ancient optics, fuels the suspicion among proponents that someone read earlier works and signed off later.
Why no Industrial Revolution occurred
The fundamental question is not whether ancients had lenses, but why they did not make the leap. The most robust answer, it is defended, lies in the industrial base: technologies are human houses of cards, relying on one another, not just on knowledge but also on logistics and economics. Egypt in the early Iron Age was as populated and advanced as any other region, yet lost influence. It may have been the breakdown of trade networks, but perhaps it simply could not manufacture what others produced.
Homo sapiens has been on Earth for between 100,000 and 200,000 years. The agricultural and industrial leaps could have peine thousands of years earlier. They did not, and the reasons remain a matter of speculation, not dogma.
Scurvy and who signs science
According to the thread's claims, Spanish sailors treated scurvy with citrus fruits two centuries before Captain Cook explored Australia. In Magellan and Elcano's expedition, according to Pigafetta's account, Elcano avoided the disease by eating quince preserves. For more than three centuries, according to the Encyclopædia Britannica, there was no cure for scurvy. The practical conclusion existed much earlier. The issue is who gets credit.
The detail that closes the circle fits into two phrases that should not coexist: the Assyrians had a lens, and the Assyrians did not know it refracted light. One is superfluous. And it is not the first time.
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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