1,400-post off-topic thread on film, trash TV, and politics

Spanning 167 days and 1,400 replies, this thread covers Kubrick, Laura Bozzo, Tim Burton, and WWE.

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167 days of off-topic: from Kubrick to Laura Bozzo without leaving the couch

Some conversations start with the elevator scene in The Shining and end up debating whether studio audiences behave like cults. This off-topic thread, open for 167 days with 1,400 accumulated replies, is exactly that: a catch-all where Nordic prison cinema, Goya Awards, WWE, Tim Burton, the cannibals of Wrong Turn, and an endless string of Latin American trash TV cases fit. The thread has no single topic. It has twenty. And they all return, sooner or later, to the same place: how mass entertainment is manufactured and what it says about those who consume it.

The first unwritten rule of the thread is set by its own beginning: here you come to voice opinions without asking permission. The host declares his taste for scene analysis, mainstream cinema, and niche films, warning that he doesn't mind disagreeing. The response received sets the tone for everything that trinc: contempt for groupthink, distrust of cultural products with an agenda, and an explicit warning against serious analysis of certain filmmakers. From there, the thread becomes a machine for changing the subject every few messages.

Cinema as an ideological thermometer

The first focus of the off-topic is Spanish cinema and, specifically, Pedro Almodóvar. The conversation quickly drifts toward rejection of what is perceived as subsidized cinema and salon posturing. It criticizes the director from La Mancha being the star product of the "Brand Spain" for intellectuals, thinking himself transgressive when he already belongs to the institutional mainstream. The film receiving the most heat is All About My Mother, described in the thread as a top-tier soap opera with an art filter and melodramatic tone for European critics' consumption.

The Goya Awards don't fare better. They are described as a union of windfalls where prizes are given among cronies, the medal of national culture is pinned on, and then more subsidies are requested. The Oscars, they say, are the same but with more bow ties and less shame. The repeated conclusion is that award galas function as a closed ecosystem that self-aggrandizes while real cinema starves.

From cheap pavor to exhausted parody

The thread dedicates a generous stretch to unpretentious genre cinema. Wrong Turn is claimed as honest popcorn pavor: three beatings, deformed hillbillies with axes, and twentysomethings making the stupidest possible decision in each scene. It doesn't pretend to be The Shining, just to scare and show blood. It works because it doesn't deceive.

From there, it jumps to Sharknado, a perfect example of how a shit idea executed with audacity becomes a phenomenon. The first installment has a point of freshness because nobody knew it would blow up. The sequels are already the circus of comparisons. And from flying sharks to the Scary Movie saga, where it is sentenced that the first was funny due to pure nineties shock and from the third on it's the same joke repeated with a changed budget. The parody genre died when its creators discovered that citing the famous movie and adding a fart was enough. The names Friedberg and Seltzer appear as the explanation for the whole disaster: trailer collages, cameos of washed-up celebrities, and cultural references expired after six months.

Tim Burton and autopilot

A review of Tim Burton's filmography occupies another block of the off-topic. The diagnosis is that the director found a formula in the late eighties and has been charging to repeat it since: flea-market gothic, pale and weird protagonist, Elfman music, and Johnny Depp playing Johnny Depp. Those that hold up, according to the criteria used, are Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, and Ed Wood, the latter considered his best film and curiously the one that looks least like him.

Sleepy Hollow is saved because it has a plot that stands alone: a New York inspector, a town with decapitations, and an inheritance conspiracy underneath. Visually it is outrageous for the time: fog, purple and gray pueblerino, the mill, the tree of the dead. Sweeney Todd is described as Burton's decent swan song, with rage and a wet, dirty papier-mâché London he never filmed again with that quality. That it was a musical, and that Depp sang poorly, is precisely what saved it.

Laura Bozzo's drama factory

The longest block of the off-topic is dedicated to Laura Bozzo's show. Specific cases are analyzed with almost forensic precision: I want to commit suicide but I'm still alive, I'm ashamed of my brother, My teenage daughter goes too far in her parties, I suspect my boyfriend is lgtb or bisensbi, My husband's best friend is my enemy, Help me escape my husband, I had everything with my husband but lost it all with my lover, and They want to pin a child on me for being a womanizer.

The pattern described is always the same: victim to the studio, hidden camera as bait, aggressor entering with villain music, audience booing, a relative getting into a brawl and applause. Cut. Change the name and move on. The conclusion drawn is that the product isn't the victim, it's the viewer: the show exists so that whoever is on the couch feels superior for forty minutes and returns Monday to watch the same thing with another name. If they actually solved the cases, they'd run out of raw material in a month.

The studio audience receives a particularly harsh description: it behaves like a Roman chorus that needs to be told every two minutes who is good and who is bad. It gets indignant when an infidelity is revealed, gets excited when there are fights, and sometimes rises from its seat to hit the villain. The comparison to a sect falls short, according to the criteria used, because a sect at least has a book and a prophet.

Prisons, nudity, and stolen dignity

Another recurring focus is prison cinema. Oz, The Shawshank Redemption, A Prophet, and Salvaje (or In Hell) by Van Damme are reviewed, the latter described as a rehash of Escape from Alcatraz with touches of B-movie prison drama and existentialist babble. It is mentioned that Van Damme co-wrote the script and wanted to prove he could do something serious away from flying kicks.

The finer analysis comes with a Nordic film set in a youth reform school. It describes how nudity is used differently depending on the character: one is shown whole, from behind, running like a scared animal, because the camera already warns that they will break him. Another is shown the torso, the marks, the tattoo, but never in a position that makes him look vulnerable, because the future leader's dignity cannot be visually broken prematurely. The naked parade scene is interpreted as a abusa of dignity, while the sensual assault suffered by the character at the hands of a prefect is suggested without showing it. In a Hollywood movie, it is sentenced, they would have put an explicit scene with dramatic music.

Politics, media, and hate as a genre

The off-topic also has its political stretch. It discusses the visceral hatred received by certain leaders in mainstream media, the comparison made of Trump with the Austrian painter born in 1889, and the rejection of Democratic figures like Obama, Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Kamala Harris. It mentions that Obama carried out the most deportations and that Biden has been in the game for decades without dropping a ring. The conversation drifts toward a generic rejection of everything identified as left-wing, with a repeated analogy: socialism as Christianity for atheists, with Pogre instead of God, class privilege instead of original sin, and revolution instead of salvation.

At this point, a message appears introducing a conspiracy theory about the origin of socialism. The response is frontal rejection: that type of discourse is qualified as a badly photocopied pamphlet and dismissed as boring. The thread does not develop it further.

The off-topic as format: 1,400 replies without a common thread

What defines this space is not any specific topic, but its capacity to jump from one to another without transition. On the same page can coexist an analysis of the heights of Happy Madison actors, a discussion on chatbot censorship, a review of WWE as a scripted business, and a description of a fictional character's vulnerability. WWE is compared to Laura Bozzo's show: everything is scripted, the hero and the villain are decided by the writer, the audience pays the ticket to boo whoever they are told to boo, and the fight is rehearsed before going on stage. The only difference is that in WWE the one taking the chair to the head knows it will hurt less than the guy next to him.

The conversation about the censorship of artificial intelligence tools also takes up its space. It is criticized that they filter even the most innocuous word and then ask for a credit card to continue using the service. It is the same complaint that runs through the entire off-topic: the feeling that entertainment and digital tools are increasingly domesticated, more watched, and more designed not to disturb.

How much of this off-topic is catharsis and how much is simple habit? With 1,400 replies in 167 days, the question doesn't have an easy answer. What is clear is that the format works: a space where you can go from Kubrick to forest cannibals without asking permission, and where the only rule is not to take anything too seriously.

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