*Tema mítico* : ⚡ (HILO OFICIAL) Elecciones USA 2020 - Trump vs Biden

Próximo presidente USA

  • Donald Trump

    Votos: 331 81,7%
  • Joe Biden

    Votos: 30 7,4%
  • Kamala Harris

    Votos: 34 8,4%
  • Mike Pence

    Votos: 10 2,5%

  • Total de votantes
    405
  • Encuesta cerrada .

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Ejque esa gente no funciona al modo de si me tocas los narices te los toco a ti:

_no vamos a entruyar a la clenton y a biden por el portatilgate porque igual se cabrean y nos montan un golpe de estado honkhonk

Funcionan al modo de te toco los narices si puedo. No se puede negociar ni nada, erosionar su poder siempre a toda maquina porque ellos pondran siempre toda la carne en el asador.

Pues entonces si no es presidente Biden se va a haber un follón y si lo es, también, porque los más "progresivos" (y más violentos) dudo que se conformen con las migajas.
 

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No me lo puedo creer ! En el panfleto telediarreo de tv1 de las 9 no dijeron ni media palabra sobre el tema de Trump.

50 % cobi19 ¡ VAMOS A MORIR TODOS !!!! hay que vacunarse !

40 % que alegría , que alborozo han llegado nuestros niños Jovenlandeses , los mejores !!! que vienen a pagarnos las pensiones .

10 % necesidad de la educación sensual en las escuelas y un estrambótico teatro para adolescentes lesbianas .
El silencio es bueno, no tienen propaganda que colar, al contrario, y hacen apagón.
 

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Espabila hombre, no tiene ninguna necesidad de recordarle donde vive ni a donde van sus hijos dado que ella no tiene alzeimer, sino es para decir que se donde vives y se a donde van tus hijos , pero a la forma silibina del orate
No es la impresión que da. No señala el colegio exacto ni direcciones.
Habla en genérico, como si yo le digo a alguien en este foro: "Tus hijos te harán responsable de su ruina, por haber votado a Pedro Sanchez".
 

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la organización criminal , enemigos de Europa y los europeos y que está llenando Europa de sicarios jovenlandeses y personas de color , es la misma que mató a Gadafi , la de los atentados de los trenes de Atocha que metió a Zapatero en el gobierno y la que financia millones de asesinatos de niños europeos en el vientre de sus madres alienadas .
 

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Pues entonces si no es presidente Biden se va a haber un follón y si lo es, también, porque los más "progresivos" (y más violentos) dudo que se conformen con las migajas.
Si, parece que andan a palos entre las distintas vertientes del partido "demócrata"

Leftists and Moderates, Stop Fighting. You Need One Another. In the Democratic civil war, both sides are partly right.

In 2004, I went to Ohio to cover John Kerry’s campaign to unseat George W. Bush. For liberals, the race felt existential. The Bush administration had lied America into war in Iraq, where an entirely predictable insurgency was raging. His military and C.I.A. were torturing people; the Abu Ghraib scandal had broken open in April.

A worshipful cult of personality surrounded the president, whose administration was nakedly disdainful of truth. Yet four years earlier Bush had lost the popular vote, in a race where progressives were divided and a decisive number voted third party. Surely, it seemed, with the right mobilization Democrats should be able to defeat him this time.

Liberal groups launched what Matt Bai described in The New York Times Magazine as “the largest get-out-the-vote effort ever undertaken to win a single presidential campaign.” It wasn’t enough. Democrats did increase their turnout, but Republicans increased theirs even more.

Reporting from Ohio megachurches and right-wing rallies, I could see that many conservatives were motivated by the specter of lgtb marriage, which had been recognized in Massachusetts a few months earlier. In the election, 11 states including Ohio — including Oregon — passed ballot initiatives against same-sex marriage. Postelection surveys showed that “moral values” beat out issues like Iraq and the economy as voters’ chief concern.

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As I look back from 2020, two things seem obvious to me. L.G.B.T.Q. activists had justice on their side, even if the campaign for marriage equality caused a terrifying backlash before it triumphed. At the same time, it’s understandable why Democratic politicians like Barack Obama publicly opposed same-sex marriage in 2008, since to do otherwise risked producing permanent right-wing rule. Good policy and good politics are not the same thing.

The 2004 election illuminates some of the dilemmas faced by today’s Democrats, who are currently locked in an internecine battle between progressives and moderates. It’s a frustrating and destructive fight because both sides are partly right.

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It’s the job of the activist left to push political limits, staking out positions that sound radical today but could, with enough work, seem like common sense in the future. But in the short term, an assertive left that garners national attention can threaten the political survival of Democrats who answer to a more conservative electorate.

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In a postelection interview with The Times’s Astead Herndon, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez expressed frustration with those who are blaming leftists for Democrats’ down-ballot losses. “Progressive policies do not hurt candidates,” she insisted, noting swing-district Democrats who had co-sponsored Medicare for All legislation and the Green New Deal and had kept their seats.

But most candidates who endorsed those initiatives were in safer districts than those who didn’t. When moderate Democrats like Conor Lamb and Abigail Spanberger say that left-wing slogans are poisonous in their communities, people who don’t live in those communities should take them seriously.

Left-wing populists often believe that there’s a silent majority who agree with them, if only they can be organized to go to the polls. If that were true, though, an election with record high turnout should have been much better for progressives. Instead, 2020 was a reminder of something most older liberals long ago had to come to terms with: The voters who live in the places that determine political control in this country tend to be more conservative than we are.

Yet that doesn’t miccionan that the Democratic Party doesn’t need the left. Leaders like Bernie Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez were loyal soldiers in this election. After the primaries, they put aside their disappointment to rally voters whom Joe Biden might not have reached. One analysis showed that voting by young people was up 8 percent in 2020, and after the cobi19, the issues young Biden voters cared about most were racism and climate change. The Democratic Party can’t afford to alienate the people inspired by Sanders and the Squad.

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The Democrats’ loss in 2004 was devastating, but recovering from it didn’t miccionan moving right. At the time, even civil unions for lgtb couples were controversial — the Ohio ballot initiative was one of several that banned them along with same-sex marriage. Agitation for marriage equality turned support for such unions into the moderate liberal position, then into the centrist position. Then marriage equality became the law of the land.

Similarly, the Green New Deal made a climate plan like Biden’s, the most ambitious ever proposed by a major party presidential nominee, look moderate. Calls to defund the police are unpopular, but the slogan has already made other reforms — like changing the law to make it easier to hold police officers liable for misconduct — seem centrist and practical.

Moderates need radicals to expand their scope for action. Radicals need moderates to wield power in a giant heterogenous country with sclerotic institutions and deep wells of reaction. Neither camp could have defeated Donald Trump on its own. It’s frustrating now, as it was heartbreaking in 2004, that revanchist Republicans retain such a hold on America. But that’s all the more reason for Democrats to stop their counterproductive sniping and work together to beat them
 

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Que el que está discutiendo contigo, te recuerde a que colegio van tus hijos, me da igual sea privado o público.
¿Dónde menciona el colegio al que van sus hijos? Yo no escuche eso. Habla en genérico: "Cuando tus hijos vayan al colegio y se encuentren con compañeros de otras razas..."