Would Americans 'rendering' Zapatero actually be a good thing?
Debate on Burbuja: is the rendition of politicians by foreign forces the only way out of Spain's alleged lack of justice?
English · Original discussion in Spanish · Published
Would Americans 'rendering' Zapatero actually be a good thing?
The fantasy of a foreign intervention that cleans up Spanish politics has gone from bar-talk banter to a recurring thread in the Economics subforum. The premise is as blunt as the forum users' exasperation: given the perception that the judiciary is a pantomime controlled by political power, the only way out some can envision is a Guantánamo-style rendition of the players on today's political stage.
Spanish justice against a third-world mirror
The debate splits between those who see a hypothetical US intervention as an act of poetic justice and those who consider it the definitive proof of national decline. For some users, Spain has ceased to be a functioning democracy and become a mafia where the separation of powers is a myth. The idea that Zapatero or Sánchez himself might be snatched by foreign forces is experienced as an orgasmic fantasy, a kind of cleansing operation the State itself is incapable of carrying out. At the other end, this stance is criticized as pathological submission: patriotism, they say, has been lost when people would rather have a foreign power solve internal problems than face them with sovereignty.
The backdrop of impunity and the CNI
Beyond the desire to see politicians in orange jumpsuits, the thread turns into an analysis of impunity. Bono is cited as an example of someone who has shielded himself through control of state secrets, suggesting that the CNI (Spain's intelligence service) operates more as a collector of zipper-down secrets than as an intelligence agency. The overall feeling is one of powerlessness: the system protects itself and, as some point out, no external confirmation is needed to know that we live in a country where corruption has seeped down to the foundations.
Is foreign intervention the climax of our powerlessness or simply the only way to break a regime that allows no internal housecleaning? The debate remains open, caught between the desire for justice and the stark reality of a country that, according to its own citizens, has lost the ability to govern itself.
Related debates on the forum
The fantasy of a foreign intervention that cleans up Spanish politics has gone from bar-talk banter to a recurring thread in the Economics subforum. The premise is as blunt as the forum users' exasperation: given the perception that the judiciary is a pantomime controlled by political power, the only way out some can envision is a Guantánamo-style rendition of the players on today's political stage.
Spanish justice against a third-world mirror
The debate splits between those who see a hypothetical US intervention as an act of poetic justice and those who consider it the definitive proof of national decline. For some users, Spain has ceased to be a functioning democracy and become a mafia where the separation of powers is a myth. The idea that Zapatero or Sánchez himself might be snatched by foreign forces is experienced as an orgasmic fantasy, a kind of cleansing operation the State itself is incapable of carrying out. At the other end, this stance is criticized as pathological submission: patriotism, they say, has been lost when people would rather have a foreign power solve internal problems than face them with sovereignty.
The backdrop of impunity and the CNI
Beyond the desire to see politicians in orange jumpsuits, the thread turns into an analysis of impunity. Bono is cited as an example of someone who has shielded himself through control of state secrets, suggesting that the CNI (Spain's intelligence service) operates more as a collector of zipper-down secrets than as an intelligence agency. The overall feeling is one of powerlessness: the system protects itself and, as some point out, no external confirmation is needed to know that we live in a country where corruption has seeped down to the foundations.
Is foreign intervention the climax of our powerlessness or simply the only way to break a regime that allows no internal housecleaning? The debate remains open, caught between the desire for justice and the stark reality of a country that, according to its own citizens, has lost the ability to govern itself.
Related debates on the forum
- What are the old geezers going to do in SARRACINIC SPAIN? · 41 replies
- Signs of a HOUSING COLLAPSE. Then let no one cry..... · 446 replies
- Urgent - things getting ugly in Sabadell (Barcelona) as hundreds of Maghrebis and sub-Saharan Africans protest against Roma people · 106 replies
- The lawfare against Zapatero is orchestrated by Ayuso · 52 replies
Also available in: Deutsch
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication. Read the full discussion (67 replies).
More summaries
-
US probe raises extradition risk for Spain's Zapatero
US authorities investigate former Spanish PM Zapatero for alleged money laundering and influence peddling linked to the Plus Ultra bailout.
-
PSOE Spokesperson Mínguez Faces Questions Over Partner's 30 Rentals
Data on the 30 rental properties owned by PSOE spokesperson Montse Mínguez's partner emerges, as she labels inquiries a personal attack.
-
Nursing vs Electrical Work: which career has more future for emigrating?
A starting salary of €30,000 versus a more trade-oriented vocational path: the dilemma between Nursing and Electrical Work for those who want to leave Spain. Data analysis and credential recognition.
-
Informal sperm donation: why fathering a child without a contract can cost you dearly
A friend asks you to inseminate her without sex or responsibilities? Here's why that offer could end up costing you more than 145,000 euros in child support.
-
Santaolalla vs Xokas: feud exposes Spain's public money divide
The war of words between journalist Sarah Santaolalla and streamer El Xokas exposes the tension in Spain between those who live off public money and those who don't.
-
Midsummer bonfires at Riazor beach expose Spain's migration divide
A group of Venezuelan women celebrated Midsummer Night with Latin American friends at Riazor beach in A Coruña, Spain. The event sparked racist comments and an immigration debate.