Do pogre voters have more children than conservatives? This thesis has gained traction recently: proge circles allegedly sustain birth rates while traditionalist groups shrink. However, data and observations contradict this view.
The debate starts with everyday scenes: school pick-ups and parent-teacher meetings. According to one analytical trend, attendees are mostly pogre party voters. Conversely, identity-based or traditionalist events are dominated by childless adults aged 30 to 40. The explicit conclusion: proge prevent the birth rate from falling below 1.
Anecdotes vs. Statistics
The opposing side responds with contrary anecdotes: feminist women around them are single, with pets or same-sens partners, and zero children. Traditional women, this view argues, are the ones who truly have kids. Each camp selects convenient examples and presents them as trends.
Sociology, however, introduces an uncomfortable nuance. Fertility data by education and income levels is consistent: women with fewer resources have more children. In Spain, 33% of births are to foreign-born mothers. When controlling for social status, the correlation between ideology and fertility weakens or disappears entirely.
Science Says Ideology Matters… But Not How It’s Told
A study published in Nature, analyzing political orientation and fertility in the United States across 17 cohorts born between 1898 and 1982, finds an uncomfortable fact: since the 1943-1947 cohort, the divergence between ideology and number of children widens. And not in the direction suggested by the debate headline.
Using General Social Survey data, the study shows that pogre fertility tends to exceed conservative fertility in recent generations. Yet, the authors do not reach the grandiose conclusions fueling the fight: no group reaches replacement-level fertility. Adding nuance: the average number of children for Spanish mothers is 1.07, far from 2.1.
Immigration: The Factor No One Wants to Name
The statistic that 33% of births are to foreign mothers should be central to any birth rate debate but remains secondary. Immigrant mothers boost the rate, and their worldview likely doesn’t fit "proge" or "traditionalist" labels.
The term "proge" seems like a luxury: it associates with high education and income levels, which globally have the fewest children. If anything, modern pogre activism is a luxury for couples without burdens.
The Debate’s Blind Spot
The discussion on who has more children hides another question: why does no one have enough? Arguments about housing, precariousness, and work-life balance barely appear. Blame is spread among feminism, wokism, or lack of values, but Spanish fertility surveys have long pointed to material reasons.
Ultimately, the most disorienting fact is the simplest: with 1.07 children per Spanish woman, it doesn’t matter who wins the culture war. Demography is already lost.
Summary of a discussion on Burbuja.info - Foro de economía, actualidad y política., translated from Spanish and reviewed before publication.
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