Norway or Switzerland: do they offer more freedom than the EU?
Are Norway or Switzerland freer than the EU? Forum users debate strict rules, high salaries and the paradox of freedom in non-EU countries.
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Norway and Switzerland: more freedom than the EU?
When a forum user called Tito Ted opens a thread saying he is "tired, very tired" and asking whether Norway or Switzerland offer more freedom than the European Union, the debate erupts with 36 replies that fail to agree. The definition of freedom divides participants: some understand it as the absence of the state and bureaucracy, others as quality of life and legal certainty.
Switzerland: strict rules but high salaries
The user Endlich frei!, who lives in German-speaking Switzerland, argues that living there is "marvellous" and "much better than in Spain in every way", but sets conditions: you have to speak Schweizerdeutsch, earn at least 5000 CHF a month and accept that "your rights end where those of others begin". Tagghino, meanwhile, recounts the experience of an acquaintance who lived in Switzerland for years: neighbours who call the police over any trifle, fines for mistakes in the rubbish and a cold coexistence. Another user, paketazo, says his relatives in Switzerland claim the country "has filled up with manure over the past decade", though compared with Barcelona, everything is relative. On banking secrecy, it is noted that Switzerland gave it up in 2014, but the banking sector only accounts for 7% of GDP.
Norway: freedom to hunt but not to buy sens?
Tito Ted assumed Norway was freer because, in his view, "you can buy a rifle and go hunting without paperwork". However, several users refute this: nada2 quotes a Norwegian woman who says "whatever is not legislated is forbidden", and cerilloprieto claims that "your children are not yours, they belong to the Zionist state" and can be taken away if you do not go along with the system. Steven Seagull adds that buying sens is heavily prosecuted in Norway, which Tito Ted calls "bad vibes". In short, the image of a free country falls apart.
The thread ends without consensus: some point to Serbia or Czechia as freer destinations, others argue that "freedom doesn't exist anywhere". The question left hanging is whether we are really seeking freedom or simply fleeing what we know.
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When a forum user called Tito Ted opens a thread saying he is "tired, very tired" and asking whether Norway or Switzerland offer more freedom than the European Union, the debate erupts with 36 replies that fail to agree. The definition of freedom divides participants: some understand it as the absence of the state and bureaucracy, others as quality of life and legal certainty.
Switzerland: strict rules but high salaries
The user Endlich frei!, who lives in German-speaking Switzerland, argues that living there is "marvellous" and "much better than in Spain in every way", but sets conditions: you have to speak Schweizerdeutsch, earn at least 5000 CHF a month and accept that "your rights end where those of others begin". Tagghino, meanwhile, recounts the experience of an acquaintance who lived in Switzerland for years: neighbours who call the police over any trifle, fines for mistakes in the rubbish and a cold coexistence. Another user, paketazo, says his relatives in Switzerland claim the country "has filled up with manure over the past decade", though compared with Barcelona, everything is relative. On banking secrecy, it is noted that Switzerland gave it up in 2014, but the banking sector only accounts for 7% of GDP.
Norway: freedom to hunt but not to buy sens?
Tito Ted assumed Norway was freer because, in his view, "you can buy a rifle and go hunting without paperwork". However, several users refute this: nada2 quotes a Norwegian woman who says "whatever is not legislated is forbidden", and cerilloprieto claims that "your children are not yours, they belong to the Zionist state" and can be taken away if you do not go along with the system. Steven Seagull adds that buying sens is heavily prosecuted in Norway, which Tito Ted calls "bad vibes". In short, the image of a free country falls apart.
The thread ends without consensus: some point to Serbia or Czechia as freer destinations, others argue that "freedom doesn't exist anywhere". The question left hanging is whether we are really seeking freedom or simply fleeing what we know.
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