NATO in doubt as US pulls troops from Germany and threatens Italy and Spain
The US troop withdrawal from Germany and threats to Italy and Spain: the disappearance of NATO or blackmail? Debate on Burbuja.info with 27 replies.
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NATO isn't disappearing: the US troop withdrawal is blackmail or financial collapse
"We're going back to 1945," opens a forum user. In 27 replies, Burbuja.info dissects Trump's announcement: troop withdrawal from Germany and threats to Italy and Spain. NATO isn't falling apart; it's the prelude to a mafia-style move or a symptom that the empire can no longer pay for its bases.
Blackmail or real crisis?
Some see Trump's move as "blackmailing the Europeans", a ploy to make them spend more on US weapons. "Like the mafia that first sends its goons to destroy businesses and then sells protection," compares @Arturo Bloqueduro. The threat to Denmark over Greenland and the hints about Ceuta and Melilla reinforce the idea that the US is no longer an ally, but a thug. But others argue it's real: "The system is crumbling: peak oil, petrodollar, debt," says @pocholito. The money printer is jamming, and keeping 75,000 troops in Europe is no longer viable.
Ukraine's poisoned gift
For @nosinmiFalcon, the Ukraine war is "95% the work of the US" and they're leaving Europe holding the body. If the EU weren't a proxy, the war would end in 24 hours. Other forum users think the withdrawal is an opportunity: "Good riddance," declares @John Connor. But geopolitical reality is stubborn: without the American umbrella, Europe would need to rearm, including its own nuclear weapons.
Europe in the mirror
@El Buho offers the harshest reflection: "The US is no longer Europe's ally." The threat to Denmark, support for Argentina against the UK and doubts about the sovereignty of Ceuta and Melilla are signs that the world order has changed. The only solution is a common European defence with its own nuclear deterrence. "Only antiestéticar of mutually assured destruction keeps the peace," he concludes.
The thread isn't closed. Is Europe ready to take charge of its own defence? Or is the troop withdrawal just the first step of a reconfiguration that will move NATO to North Africa, as @cebollin-o suggests? Forum users will keep debating while the Yankee tanks pack their bags.
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"We're going back to 1945," opens a forum user. In 27 replies, Burbuja.info dissects Trump's announcement: troop withdrawal from Germany and threats to Italy and Spain. NATO isn't falling apart; it's the prelude to a mafia-style move or a symptom that the empire can no longer pay for its bases.
Blackmail or real crisis?
Some see Trump's move as "blackmailing the Europeans", a ploy to make them spend more on US weapons. "Like the mafia that first sends its goons to destroy businesses and then sells protection," compares @Arturo Bloqueduro. The threat to Denmark over Greenland and the hints about Ceuta and Melilla reinforce the idea that the US is no longer an ally, but a thug. But others argue it's real: "The system is crumbling: peak oil, petrodollar, debt," says @pocholito. The money printer is jamming, and keeping 75,000 troops in Europe is no longer viable.
Ukraine's poisoned gift
For @nosinmiFalcon, the Ukraine war is "95% the work of the US" and they're leaving Europe holding the body. If the EU weren't a proxy, the war would end in 24 hours. Other forum users think the withdrawal is an opportunity: "Good riddance," declares @John Connor. But geopolitical reality is stubborn: without the American umbrella, Europe would need to rearm, including its own nuclear weapons.
Europe in the mirror
@El Buho offers the harshest reflection: "The US is no longer Europe's ally." The threat to Denmark, support for Argentina against the UK and doubts about the sovereignty of Ceuta and Melilla are signs that the world order has changed. The only solution is a common European defence with its own nuclear deterrence. "Only antiestéticar of mutually assured destruction keeps the peace," he concludes.
The thread isn't closed. Is Europe ready to take charge of its own defence? Or is the troop withdrawal just the first step of a reconfiguration that will move NATO to North Africa, as @cebollin-o suggests? Forum users will keep debating while the Yankee tanks pack their bags.
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