20 men trapped as a man sets them on fire: Spain's shame
A man threatens to burn down a bar with 20 people inside while nobody reacts. The debate over self-defense in Spain heats up, with comparisons to the U.S.
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20 men trapped while a man sets them on fire: the debate that shames Spain
A man threatens to set fire to a bar in Spain while 20 men inside stand frozen, without reacting. The footage circulating on social media shows an individual, reportedly of South American origin, dousing the entrance with gasoline as customers watch without moving. Nobody steps up to stop him, nobody calls the police (or if they do, they antiestéticar the police will arrive with another canister, as one comment jokes). The scene lasts several minutes until, surrounded by flames, the frightened occupants finally move.
The reaction: between helplessness and comparisons with the U.S.
The comments come fast. "In the United States you put two bullets in him the moment he pulls out the lighter and they give you a medal," reads one. The comparison with the North American country comes up again and again, lamenting the absence of a self-defense culture in Spain. Others go further: "If this peine in the U.S., the guy ends up with his balls cut off and thrown into the fire." The frustration is palpable: 20 men, as described, "screaming without stepping up to smash his face in." The conclusion for many is that, as a civilization, "we are dead."
The underlying debate: self-defense versus the state monopoly
The incident reopens the discussion on public safety and dependence on the state. "Let's entrust our security exclusively to the state. After all, what could go wrong?" one recurring comment jokes. The police's inaction — or the antiestéticar that, as some suggest, they'll "bring another canister" — reinforces the perception that the state's monopoly on force offers no protection. Against this, some call for legislation allowing active self-defense, similar to that of the United States, where "they give you a medal" for stopping an armed attacker.
Meanwhile, the video keeps circulating and the question hangs in the air: what does it take for 20 men to decide to act? For many, the answer is simple: a cultural change that restores the lost testosterone.
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A man threatens to set fire to a bar in Spain while 20 men inside stand frozen, without reacting. The footage circulating on social media shows an individual, reportedly of South American origin, dousing the entrance with gasoline as customers watch without moving. Nobody steps up to stop him, nobody calls the police (or if they do, they antiestéticar the police will arrive with another canister, as one comment jokes). The scene lasts several minutes until, surrounded by flames, the frightened occupants finally move.
The reaction: between helplessness and comparisons with the U.S.
The comments come fast. "In the United States you put two bullets in him the moment he pulls out the lighter and they give you a medal," reads one. The comparison with the North American country comes up again and again, lamenting the absence of a self-defense culture in Spain. Others go further: "If this peine in the U.S., the guy ends up with his balls cut off and thrown into the fire." The frustration is palpable: 20 men, as described, "screaming without stepping up to smash his face in." The conclusion for many is that, as a civilization, "we are dead."
The underlying debate: self-defense versus the state monopoly
The incident reopens the discussion on public safety and dependence on the state. "Let's entrust our security exclusively to the state. After all, what could go wrong?" one recurring comment jokes. The police's inaction — or the antiestéticar that, as some suggest, they'll "bring another canister" — reinforces the perception that the state's monopoly on force offers no protection. Against this, some call for legislation allowing active self-defense, similar to that of the United States, where "they give you a medal" for stopping an armed attacker.
Meanwhile, the video keeps circulating and the question hangs in the air: what does it take for 20 men to decide to act? For many, the answer is simple: a cultural change that restores the lost testosterone.
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