Asi Que El Euribor Habia Tocado Techo? Ya Esta En 3,825

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La Semana Pasada Se Afirmo Que El Euribor Ya No Subiria Mas Que Se Quedaria En El 3,75 O Que Incluso Bajaria, Eso Segun A Los Estafadores De La Ahe(agencia Hipotecaria De EspaÑa) Que Lo Unico Que Quieren Es Que La Gente Se Compren Pisos Y Se Endeuden Al Maximo Y Procuran Que No Haya Alarmas Sociales Por Las Subidas De Tipos Y Con De Paliar El Panico Sueltan Mentiras En Los Medios De Comunicacion, Ya Veremos Que Es Lo Que Dicen Cuando El Euribor El 1 De Enereo De 2007 Este En 4,015 % Apuntarlo En El Blog De Notas, Repito 4,015!

P.d: No Ven Esta Gente Que La Inflacion Se Disparara A Partir De Diciembre, El Petroleo Se Pondra Por Las Nubes Y La Energia De Europa Tambien (electricidad, Gas) Asi Que Solo Tocara Subir Mas Los Tipos, Hay Pobrecito Que No Piense Al Contrario.
 

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economista23 dijo:
La Semana Pasada Se Afirmo Que El Euribor Ya No Subiria Mas Que Se Quedaria En El 3,75 O Que Incluso Bajaria, Eso Segun A Los Estafadores De La Ahe(agencia Hipotecaria De EspaÑa) Que Lo Unico Que Quieren Es Que La Gente Se Compren Pisos Y Se Endeuden Al Maximo Y Procuran Que No Haya Alarmas Sociales Por Las Subidas De Tipos Y Con De Paliar El Panico Sueltan Mentiras En Los Medios De Comunicacion, Ya Veremos Que Es Lo Que Dicen Cuando El Euribor El 1 De Enereo De 2007 Este En 4,015 % Apuntarlo En El Blog De Notas, Repito 4,015!

P.d: No Ven Esta Gente Que La Inflacion Se Disparara A Partir De Diciembre, El Petroleo Se Pondra Por Las Nubes Y La Energia De Europa Tambien (electricidad, Gas) Asi Que Solo Tocara Subir Mas Los Tipos, Hay Pobrecito Que No Piense Al Contrario.
mmmm...yo lo pondría para finales de Enero, en un 4 y un par de décimas.

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A la vista de la gráfica, a mi no me parece que se vaya amortiguando la subida, sino que simplemente va poquito a poco subiendo como hace ya un año y medio.

Se podría estudiar la pendiente de la curva en distintas fases, pero creo que no hace falta, los finlandeses nos dan una buena panorámica.


Cierto lo de la AHE. ¿Habéis leído la sección de artículos de prensa seleccionados en su página? Es surrealista, solamente meten los artículos autocomplacientes que les van interesando.

Además, se ve el poder de la banca cuando cada vómito que lanzan aparece en todos los periódicos, y lo que es peor, los articulistas, pseudoeconomistas, lanzan en las siguientes semanas montones de artículos basándose en las infamias de esta gente.

Pobres pepitos, pobres.
 

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Para saber como van a estar los intereses en el futuro no hay mas que mirar, los intereses de los depositos crecientes. Una entidad bancaria siempre te da por tu dinero un interes mas bajo que lo que piden por dejar dinero. Ejemplo: el primero que he encontrado en google, haciendo una busqueda como deposito creciente: la caixa
Además de ofrecerte una alternativa para cubrir tus necesidades de ahorro, con un importe mínimo de 1.000 euros, puedes beneficiarte de reducciones fiscales y a la vez obtener un interés que incrementa año tras año.


Interés creciente
Durante los 3 años de vida del depósito, con una TAE* del 3,25% si se mantiene el depósito hasta su vencimiento.

3º año: 4,31%
2º año: 3,25%
1º año: 2,25%

O sea, ahora que el euribor esta, redondeemos, al 3,8%, pongamos que la entidad cobra un 0,5% mas, es decir que el credito hipotecario estaria al 4,3%, estan cobrando mas de un 2% (4,3 - 2,25 del primer año = 2,05, redondeemos otra vez al 2% justo) mas para credito que lo que dan para depositos. Asi nos queda:

Finales de este año (si no hay trichetazo en diciembre, que si lo habra): 4,25%
Finales 2007: 5,25%
Finales 2008: 6,31 %

Asi que usando esta sencillisima regla de calculo ya sabemos que para finales del 2008 los intereses para revisiones de hipotecas estaran alrededor del 6,31%. O eso o los bancos se pillaran los dedos y nos daran por nuestro dinero mas de lo que piden ellos por el suyo , cosa que no creo que pase, la banca siempre gana.

¿El euribor a tocado techo? JA, JA y JA.
 
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Pobres Pepitos Si Se Cumple Lo Que Dices

En 2 AÑos Al 6,31% No Crees Que Te Pasas??? Eso Solo Puede Ocurrir Si La Inflacion En Europa Supera El 3% (cosa Que Podria Ocurrir Como He Dicho Antes Si La Energia Que Viene De Fuera Escasea, Petroleo Gas....) Y El Crecimiento De Alemania Y Francia Se Mantiene En El 2 Y Algo, Inflacion Mas Crecimiento = A Tipo De Interes, Esa Es La Formula Trichet, Como Te Queremos Trichet, Pepitos Preparad La Soga Y Cuidad Bien Del Piso Que Me Lo Quedare!!!
 

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Me remito a la premisa de que la banca no pierde, y si prometen eso, otra cosa seria perder (o no ganar lo suficiente, cosa que llaman perder). No creo que a los bancos les haya entrado la vena generosa y vayan a comprar mas caro que lo que preveen vender. Tambien puede ser que mi razonamiento este equivocado de principio a fin. Es algo que se me ha ocurrido.
 
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Haciendo malabarismos

Es muy extenso, pero pone de manifiesto las dudas de la Fed ante el futuro

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=arOA7.o0XGdc&refer=economy

Fed's New Growth Estimates Might Lead It to More Rate Increases

By Craig Torres and Carlos Torres

Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve policy makers opened confidential briefing books at their Aug. 8 meeting to find disturbing news between the green covers: Their assumptions about economic growth and inflation may be too optimistic.

The Fed's number-crunchers, rushing an analysis based on data that arrived about a week before, threw out previous conclusions about how fast the economy can grow without fueling inflation. They concluded that the speed limit is lower than previously thought -- and they lowered it still further in the ``Greenbook'' for the September policy meeting.

The staff's revisions, reflected in minutes of the last two meetings, shake the foundations of the fast-growth, low-inflation economy Americans enjoyed from 1995 to 2005. The implication: Unless the economy slows more than the Fed now expects, the central bank may have to resume raising interest rates sooner rather than later to control inflation.

``The tide is shifting,'' says David Greenlaw, chief U.S. fixed-income economist at Morgan Stanley in New York. ``I do not think the Fed is out of the game just yet.''

Fed policy makers meeting this week are likely to hold the benchmark lending rate at 5.25 percent, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. Even so, comments by Fed officials suggest the staff's analysis is affecting their thinking about what may lie ahead.

Kohn and Moskow

Vice Chairman Donald Kohn said Oct. 4 that any further jump in inflation would be ``adverse'' and ``require policy actions.'' Chicago Fed President Michael Moskow said Oct. 13 that ``some additional firming of policy may yet be necessary'' to get inflation down.

The estimates are the work of dozens of economists among the 200 PhDs who work for the central bank. Vincent Reinhart, Karen Johnson and David J. Stockton, the heads of the three key divisions -- monetary affairs, international finance and research and statistics, respectively -- are known informally as ``the barons.''

The fruit of their labors, the Greenbook, carries so much weight among members of the rate-setting Federal Open Market Committee that former Governor Laurence Meyer once dubbed it ``the 13th member of the FOMC.''

If anything, the staff's views have taken on greater influence under Chairman Ben S. Bernanke. Former Chairman Alan Greenspan, a professional forecaster, often rejected staff analyses in favor of his own views. Bernanke said last year his academic work didn't train him for ``current analysis'' on the U.S. economy.

Time Running Out

In effect, policy makers were told last month that time is running out for inflation to fall. The forecasters expect ``only a small gap'' between what the economy can produce running at full speed and the actual growth rate over the next several quarters. That means any unexpected acceleration in growth might well heat up inflation.

By 2008, according to meeting minutes, the staff expects the economy to be roaring ahead at close to its speed limit, making it more urgent to get inflation under control now.

``We are getting growth that is very close to potential, and that is the important point for monetary policy,'' says John B. Taylor, a Stanford University economist who was Treasury undersecretary for international affairs from 2001 to 2005. ``There will be increased tightening'' if the ``core'' inflation rate -- which excludes food and energy costs -- ``remains in the 2.5 percent range,'' he says.

Comfort Zone

Core prices, as measured by the Fed's preferred index based on personal consumption expenditures, are up 2.5 percent over the past year, above Bernanke's ``comfort zone'' of 1 percent to 2 percent.

The economy will grow 2.5 percent over the second half of 2006, accelerating to a 2.9 percent rate by the third quarter of 2007, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg survey. While a 25 percent decline in oil prices since July will reduce the overall rate of inflation, core measures may remain above the Fed's comfort zone.

``There's no reason to expect any rapid decline in core inflation from an economy that grows in a 2.5 percent range,'' says Allen Sinai, president of Decision Economics Inc. in New York. ``The Federal Reserve will make that conclusion.''

Not all Fed policy makers are convinced they need to ratchet up their vigilance against inflation because of the staff's new estimates. Some, like San Francisco Fed President Janet Yellen, remain concerned that the economy may slow down too much, perhaps tipping into a recession.

Balancing Act

Policy makers are performing a ``balancing act,'' trying to bring inflation down without putting the economic expansion in danger, Yellen said Oct. 16. St. Louis Fed President William Poole said the same day that the chances of an interest-rate cut and an increase by the central bank are about equal.

The debate at the Fed is mirrored on Wall Street. JPMorgan Chase & Co. figures the economy's speed limit has dropped to around 2.7 percent from around 3.5 percent in the late 1990s. The New York firm expects at least three more interest rate increases by the end of June.

Others remain confident the economy will slow more than enough to bring inflation down. Economists at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in New York expect the Fed will reduce rates five times next year, ending 2007 at 4 percent.
 

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Por la parte que nos toca en Europa

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aTXp3N1TLN.c&refer=economy

European Economies: ECB's Wellink Says Rates Still `Very Low'

By Marcel van de Hoef and Matthew Brockett

Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- European Central Bank council member Nout Wellink said interest rates in the euro region are ``very low'' and the speed of economic growth risks fueling inflation, suggesting he supports further rate increases next year.

``With inflation above 2 percent, the real interest rate in a historic perspective is still very low,'' Wellink, who also heads the Dutch central bank, said in an interview on Oct. 20 in Bredevoort, the Netherlands. The economy is ``gradually reaching full capacity, which will of course somewhat increase pressure on wages and prices.''

ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet has signaled the bank is poised to raise borrowing costs for the sixth time in 12 months in December to keep inflation in check amid the fastest economic expansion in six years. Wellink, who reiterated Trichet's position that it's ``too early'' to speculate on the course of rates next year, also said the central bank needs to ``remain very alert.''

``Wellink is among the hawks on the governing council who support further rate increases next year,'' said Guillaume Menuet, senior European economist at Merrill Lynch & Co. in London. ``I wouldn't be surprised if we get another rise in March.''

Futures trading shows investors have increased bets the ECB will raise its key rate to 3.75 percent in the first three months of 2007 after a quarter-point increase to 3.5 percent in December.

Rate Outlook

The yield on the three-month Euribor futures contract for March rose to 3.85 percent today from 3.68 percent on Sept. 25. The rate on the September contract was 3.91 percent.

They settle to the three-month inter-bank offered rate for the euro, which has averaged 16 basis points more than the ECB's benchmark rate since the currency's start in 1999.

Wellink, who spoke in Dutch, said investors are correct to bet on a December move, saying ``we won't deny that expectation.'' Decisions on further moves will be made ``on the basis of the coming data,'' he said.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and the Bank of Japan have also said future rate decisions will be based on data, as lower oil prices ease some inflation pressures and the global economy shows signs of cooling. The Fed left its key rate of 5.25 percent unchanged for a second meeting on Sept. 20, after lifting it 17 times since June 2004. The Bank of Japan raised its rate to 0.25 percent in July, its first increase in almost six years.

Inflation Breach

The ECB is concerned the pace of growth will fuel wage demands and give businesses scope to increase prices even as lower energy costs ease the short-term inflation outlook. While the Frankfurt-based central bank forecasts the expansion will cool to 2.1 percent in 2007 from 2.5 percent in 2006, it expects inflation to exceed its 2 percent ceiling next year.

The ECB, which has failed to meet its inflation goal since 1999, currently expects consumer prices to rise an average 2.4 percent this year and next.

The price of oil was worth $58.61 a barrel at 12:22 p.m. in London, down from a July 14 record of $78.40. The euro region's inflation rate fell to 1.7 percent in September, the first month it's been below the ECB's ceiling since January 2005.

Wellink said it's nevertheless likely that ``even with the current oil price,'' inflation ``will be above our target for price stability in 2006 and 2007.'' ThyssenKrupp AG and Salzgitter AG, Germany's largest steelmakers, last month agreed to the highest wage increases in more than 10 years. Salaries for 85,000 steelworkers in the states of North Rhine-Westphalia, Lower Saxony and Bremen will rise 3.8 percent from 2007.

`Strong Growth Path'

Wellink said the economy is ``on a strong growth path at the moment'' and the expansion ``will still be in line with what we call potential'' after a ``slight slowdown'' next year. The ECB defines potential growth, the pace at which the economy can grow without fueling inflation, at around 2 percent.

Faster economic growth in the U.K. has fueled speculation Bank of England will raise its key rate to 5 percent as soon next month.

The ECB's 18-member governing council will have revised forecasts for growth and inflation at its Dec. 7 meeting.

Austrian central bank governor Klaus Liebscher said in an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung published Oct. 18 that the new projections will be ``very decisive'' in determining the ECB's monetary policy stance next year.

Economists are divided on whether the ECB will continue to lift the benchmark rate next year.

Eleven of the 20 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News on Oct. 5 and Oct. 6 said the ECB will lift its key rate to 3.75 percent in March. All the economists surveyed expect a quarter- point increase to 3.5 percent in December. Germany's six leading research institutes on Oct. 19 said the ECB will leave the rate at 3.5 percent in 2007.

Wellink was in his home town of Bredevoort chairing a symposium on the Dutch painter Rembrandt
 

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A la vanguardia del tapayogurismo
la clave, la energía

Leyendo un poco lo que ha pasado este fin de semana en Finlandia hay que tener una cosa clara, y es que la energia de Europa la tiene Rusia y Rusia no nos la va a regalar, por tanto es probable que los precios del Gas y otras energías suban durante este invierno que se avecina, consecuencia, subida de la inflación y para contrarrestar su efecto subidita de los tipos de interés, además así también controlarán el consumismo desmesurado de la navidad y la inflación no se disparará, apuesto a que la próxima subida no va a ser de un cuartillo sino del doble, un saludo.
 

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¿Hasta cuanto creeis que tiene que subir el euribor para que estalle la burbuja?. (¿¿O para que acelere irremediablemente su estallido??).
 

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A la vanguardia del tapayogurismo
también depende de Rusia.

Aunque en menor medida España también depende de Rusia, además el problema no es por países sino global, es decir, si el problema de suministro o precio ruso afecta a los países del entorno también nos afecta a nosotros aunque dependamos algo menos que el resto de países, te dejo el artículo para que veas la dependencia que existe y la influencia en los países de la unión, un saludo.
http://actualidad.terra.es/nacional/articulo/rusia_dependencia_energetica_europea_1155812.htm
 

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leyendoos, cada vez estoy mas contento con mi hipoteca FIJA del 5,25%....

A MI PLINNN LO QUE HAGA EL puñetero EURIBORRRRR, y la madre que lo p....
Mi hipoteca será toda la vida (hasta la comunion de mi hijo), CONSTANTE... jijijijijiji... 5.25%...
No veais la cara que se le quedo al director del Banco cuando me intento convencer de que eso de poner la hipoteca a interes fijo era una locura, y le dije que:
NO TIO, QUE NO QUIERO ARRIESGAR CUANDO EL EURIBOR DENTRO DE 3 AÑOS ESTE AL 7%... jojojojo, El tio (El director) tiene una hipoteca de 70 millones de pesetas a 40 años.... jojojojo, que parto de risa....(por dentro de mi claro..).