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The Origins of Political Correctness

An Accuracy in Academia Address by Bill Lind

Variations of this speech have been delivered to various AIA conferences including the 2000 Consevative University at American University

Where does all this stuff that you’ve heard about this morning – the victim feminism, the lgtb rights movement, the invented statistics, the rewritten history, the lies, the demands, all the rest of it – where does it come from? For the first time in our history, Americans have to be antiestéticarful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think. They have to be afraid of using the wrong word, a word denounced as offensive or insensitive, or racist, sexist, or homophobic.

We have seen other countries, particularly in this century, where this has been the case. And we have always regarded them with a mixture of pity, and to be truthful, some amusement, because it has struck us as so strange that people would allow a situation to develop where they would be afraid of what words they used. But we now have this situation in this country. We have it primarily on college campuses, but it is spreading throughout the whole society. Were does it come from? What is it?

We call it "Political Correctness." The name originated as something of a joke, literally in a comic strip, and we tend still to think of it as only half-serious. In fact, it’s deadly serious. It is the great disease of our century, the disease that has left tens of millions of people dead in Europe, in Russia, in China, indeed around the world. It is the disease of ideology. PC is not funny. PC is deadly serious.

If we look at it analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is. Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious.

First of all, both are totalitarian ideologies. The totalitarian nature of Political Correctness is revealed nowhere more clearly than on college campuses, many of which at this point are small ivy covered North Koreas, where the student or faculty member who dares to cross any of the lines set up by the gender feminist or the gays-rights activists, or the local black or Hispanic group, or any of the other sainted "victims" groups that PC revolves around, quickly find themselves in judicial trouble. Within the small legal system of the college, they face formal charges – some star-chamber proceeding – and punishment. That is a little look into the future that Political Correctness intends for the nation as a whole.

Indeed, all ideologies are totalitarian because the essence of an ideology (I would note that conservatism correctly understood is not an ideology) is to take some philosophy and say on the basis of this philosophy certain things must be true – such as the whole of the history of our culture is the history of the oppression of women. Since reality contradicts that, reality must be forbidden. It must become forbidden to acknowledge the reality of our history. People must be forced to live a lie, and since people are naturally reluctant to live a lie, they naturally use their ears and eyes to look out and say, "Wait a minute. This isn’t true. I can see it isn’t true," the power of the state must be put behind the demand to live a lie. That is why ideology invariably creates a totalitarian state.

Second, the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness, like economic Marxism, has a single factor explanation of history. Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups. Nothing else matters. All literature, indeed, is about that. Everything in the past is about that one thing.

Third, just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil. In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good – feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, gayss. These groups are determined to be "victims," and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil, thereby becoming the equivalent of the bourgeoisie in economic Marxism.

Fourth, both economic and cultural Marxism rely on expropriation. When the classical Marxists, the communists, took over a country like Russia, they expropriated the bourgeoisie, they took away their property. Similarly, when the cultural Marxists take over a university campus, they expropriate through things like quotas for admissions. When a white student with superior qualifications is denied admittance to a college in favor of a black or Hispanic who isn’t as well qualified, the white student is expropriated. And indeed, affirmative action, in our whole society today, is a system of expropriation. White owned companies don’t get a contract because the contract is reserved for a company owned by, say, Hispanics or women. So expropriation is a principle tool for both forms of Marxism.

And finally, both have a method of analysis that automatically gives the answers they want. For the classical Marxist, it’s Marxist economics. For the cultural Marxist, it’s deconstruction. Deconstruction essentially takes any text, removes all meaning from it and re-inserts any meaning desired. So we find, for example, that all of Shakespeare is about the suppression of women, or the Bible is really about race and gender. All of these texts simply become grist for the mill, which proves that "all history is about which groups have power over which other groups." So the parallels are very evident between the classical Marxism that we’re familiar with in the old Soviet Union and the cultural Marxism that we see today as Political Correctness.

But the parallels are not accidents. The parallels did not come from nothing. The fact of the matter is that Political Correctness has a history, a history that is much longer than many people are aware of outside a small group of academics who have studied this. And the history goes back, as I said, to World War I, as do so many of the pathologies that are today bringing our society, and indeed our culture, down.

Marxist theory said that when the general European war came (as it did come in Europe in 1914), the working class throughout Europe would rise up and overthrow their governments – the bourgeois governments – because the workers had more in common with each other across the national boundaries than they had in common with the bourgeoisie and the ruling class in their own country. Well, 1914 came and it didn’t happen. Throughout Europe, workers rallied to their flag and happily marched off to fight each other. The Kaiser shook hands with the leaders of the Marxist Social Democratic Party in Germany and said there are no parties now, there are only Germans. And this happened in every country in Europe. So something was wrong.

Marxists knew by definition it couldn’t be the theory. In 1917, they finally got a Marxist coup in Russia and it looked like the theory was working, but it stalled again. It didn’t spread and when attempts were made to spread immediately after the war, with the Spartacist uprising in Berlin, with the Bela Kun government in Hungary, with the Munich Soviet, the workers didn’t support them.

So the Marxists’ had a problem. And two Marxist theorists went to work on it: Antonio Gramsci in Italy and Georg Lukacs in Hungary. Gramsci said the workers will never see their true class interests, as defined by Marxism, until they are freed from Western culture, and particularly from the Christian religion – that they are blinded by culture and religion to their true class interests. Lukacs, who was considered the most brilliant Marxist theorist since Marx himself, said in 1919, "Who will save us from Western Civilization?" He also theorized that the great obstacle to the creation of a Marxist paradise was the culture: Western civilization itself.

Lukacs gets a chance to put his ideas into practice, because when the home grown Bolshevik Bela Kun government is established in Hungary in 1919, he becomes deputy commissar for culture, and the first thing he did was introduce sex education into the Hungarian schools. This ensured that the workers would not support the Bela Kun government, because the Hungarian people looked at this aghast, workers as well as everyone else. But he had already made the connection that today many of us are still surprised by, that we would consider the "latest thing."

In 1923 in Germany, a think-tank is established that takes on the role of translating Marxism from economic into cultural terms, that creates Political Correctness as we know it today, and essentially it has created the basis for it by the end of the 1930s. This comes about because the very wealthy young son of a millionaire German trader by the name of Felix Weil has become a Marxist and has lots of money to spend. He is disturbed by the divisions among the Marxists, so he sponsors something called the First Marxist Work Week, where he brings Lukacs and many of the key German thinkers together for a week, working on the differences of Marxism.

And he says, "What we need is a think-tank." Washington is full of think tanks and we think of them as very modern. In fact they go back quite a ways. He endows an institute, associated with Frankfurt University, established in 1923, that was originally supposed to be known as the Institute for Marxism. But the people behind it decided at the beginning that it was not to their advantage to be openly identified as Marxist. The last thing Political Correctness wants is for people to figure out it’s a form of Marxism. So instead they decide to name it the Institute for Social Research.

Weil is very clear about his goals. In 1971, he wrote to Martin Jay the author of a principle book on the Frankfurt School, as the Institute for Social Research soon becomes known informally, and he said, "I wanted the institute to become known, perhaps famous, due to its contributions to Marxism." Well, he was successful. The first director of the Institute, Carl Grunberg, an Austrian economist, concluded his opening address, according to Martin Jay, "by clearly stating his personal allegiance to Marxism as a scientific methodology." Marxism, he said, would be the ruling principle at the Institute, and that never changed.

The initial work at the Institute was rather conventional, but in 1930 it acquired a new director named Max Horkheimer, and Horkheimer’s views were very different. He was very much a Marxist renegade. The people who create and form the Frankfurt School are renegade Marxists. They’re still very much Marxist in their thinking, but they’re effectively run out of the party. Moscow looks at what they are doing and says, "Hey, this isn’t us, and we’re not going to bless this."

Horkheimer’s initial heresy is that he is very interested in Freud, and the key to making the translation of Marxism from economic into cultural terms is essentially that he combined it with Freudism. Again, Martin Jay writes, "If it can be said that in the early years of its history, the Institute concerned itself primarily with an analysis of bourgeois society’s socio-economic sub-structure," – and I point out that Jay is very sympathetic to the Frankfurt School, I’m not reading from a critic here – "in the years after 1930 its primary interests lay in its cultural superstructure. Indeed the traditional Marxist formula regarding the relationship between the two was brought into question by Critical Theory."

The stuff we’ve been hearing about this morning – the radical feminism, the women’s studies departments, the lgtb studies departments, the black studies departments – all these things are branches of Critical Theory. What the Frankfurt School essentially does is draw on both Marx and Freud in the 1930s to create this theory called Critical Theory. The term is ingenious because you’re tempted to ask, "What is the theory?" The theory is to criticize. The theory is that the way to bring down Western culture and the capitalist order is not to lay down an alternative. They explicitly refuse to do that. They say it can’t be done, that we can’t imagine what a free society would look like (their definition of a free society). As long as we’re living under repression – the repression of a capitalistic economic order which creates (in their theory) the Freudian condition, the conditions that Freud describes in individuals of repression – we can’t even imagine it. What Critical Theory is about is simply criticizing. It calls for the most destructive criticism possible, in every possible way, designed to bring the current order down. And, of course, when we hear from the feminists that the whole of society is just out to get women and so on, that kind of criticism is a derivative of Critical Theory. It is all coming from the 1930s, not the 1960s.

Other key members who join up around this time are Theodore Adorno, and, most importantly, Erich Fromm and Herbert Marcuse. Fromm and Marcuse introduce an element which is central to Political Correctness, and that’s the sensual element. And particularly Marcuse, who in his own writings calls for a society of "polymorphous perversity," that is his definition of the future of the world that they want to create. Marcuse in particular by the 1930s is writing some very extreme stuff on the need for sensual liberation, but this runs through the whole Institute. So do most of the themes we see in Political Correctness, again in the early 30s. In Fromm’s view, masculinity and femininity were not reflections of ‘essential’ sensual differences, as the Romantics had thought. They were derived instead from differences in life functions, which were in part socially determined." Sex is a construct; sensual differences are a construct.

Another example is the emphasis we now see on environmentalism. "Materialism as far back as Hobbes had led to a manipulative dominating attitude toward nature." That was Horkhemier writing in 1933 in Materialismus und Moral. "The theme of man’s domination of nature," according to Jay, " was to become a central concern of the Frankfurt School in subsequent years." "Horkheimer’s antagonism to the fetishization of labor, (here’s were they’re obviously departing from Marxist orthodoxy) expressed another dimension of his materialism, the demand for human, sensual happiness." In one of his most trenchant essays, Egoism and the Movement for Emancipation, written in 1936, Horkeimer "discussed the hostility to personal gratification inherent in bourgeois culture." And he specifically referred to the Marquis de Sade, favorably, for his "protest…against asceticism in the name of a higher morality."

How does all of this stuff flood in here? How does it flood into our universities, and indeed into our lives today? The members of the Frankfurt School are Marxist, they are also, to a man, Jewish. In 1933 the Nazis came to power in Germany, and not surprisingly they shut down the Institute for Social Research. And its members fled. They fled to New York City, and the Institute was reestablished there in 1933 with help from Columbia University. And the members of the Institute, gradually through the 1930s, though many of them remained writing in German, shift their focus from Critical Theory about German society, destructive criticism about every aspect of that society, to Critical Theory directed toward American society. There is another very important transition when the war comes. Some of them go to work for the government, including Herbert Marcuse, who became a key figure in the OSS (the predecessor to the CIA), and some, including Horkheimer and Adorno, move to Hollywood.

These origins of Political Correctness would probably not miccionan too much to us today except for two subsequent events. The first was the student rebellion in the mid-1960s, which was driven largely by resistance to the draft and the Vietnam War. But the student rebels needed theory of some sort. They couldn’t just get out there and say, "Hell no we won’t go," they had to have some theoretical explanation behind it. Very few of them were interested in wading through Das Kapital. Classical, economic Marxism is not light, and most of the radicals of the 60s were not deep. Fortunately for them, and unfortunately for our country today, and not just in the university, Herbert Marcuse remained in America when the Frankfurt School relocated back to Frankfurt after the war. And whereas Mr. Adorno in Germany is appalled by the student rebellion when it breaks out there – when the student rebels come into Adorno’s classroom, he calls the police and has them arrested – Herbert Marcuse, who remained here, saw the 60s student rebellion as the great chance. He saw the opportunity to take the work of the Frankfurt School and make it the theory of the New Left in the United States.

One of Marcuse’s books was the key book. It virtually became the bible of the SDS and the student rebels of the 60s. That book was Eros and Civilization. Marcuse argues that under a capitalistic order (he downplays the Marxism very strongly here, it is subtitled, A Philosophical Inquiry into Freud, but the framework is Marxist), repression is the essence of that order and that gives us the person Freud describes – the person with all the hang-ups, the neuroses, because his sensual instincts are repressed. We can envision a future, if we can only destroy this existing oppressive order, in which we liberate eros, we liberate libido, in which we have a world of "polymorphous perversity," in which you can "do you own thing." And by the way, in that world there will no longer be work, only play. What a wonderful message for the radicals of the mid-60s! They’re students, they’re baby-boomers, and they’ve grown up never having to worry about anything except eventually having to get a job. And here is a guy writing in a way they can easily amow. He doesn’t require them to read a lot of heavy Marxism and tells them everything they want to hear which is essentially, "Do your own thing," "If it feels good do it," and "You never have to go to work." By the way, Marcuse is also the man who creates the phrase, "Make love, not war." Coming back to the situation people face on campus, Marcuse defines "liberating tolerance" as intolerance for anything coming from the Right and tolerance for anything coming from the Left. Marcuse joined the Frankfurt School, in 1932 (if I remember right). So, all of this goes back to the 1930s.

In conclusion, America today is in the throws of the greatest and direst transformation in its history. We are becoming an ideological state, a country with an official state ideology enforced by the power of the state. In "hate crimes" we now have people serving jail sentences for political thoughts. And the Congress is now moving to expand that category ever further. Affirmative action is part of it. The terror against anyone who dissents from Political Correctness on campus is part of it. It’s exactly what we have seen happen in Russia, in Germany, in Italy, in China, and now it’s coming here. And we don’t recognize it because we call it Political Correctness and laugh it off. My message today is that it’s not funny, it’s here, it’s growing and it will eventually destroy, as it seeks to destroy, everything that we have ever defined as our freedom and our culture.
 

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Five Stars

Esto es de lo mejor que he leído en mucho tiempo.


La llamada Corrección Política es el disfraz bajo el cual se oculta el totalitarismo y la opresión en nuestro tiempo. Ojo a la siguiente frase:

For the first time in our history, Americans have to be antiestéticarful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think.
Así es. Se trata de una forma más de opresión, quizá la más perversa, porque no hay un tirano identificable, y paradójicamente surgió del país que nació para ser libre. La dictadura de la correción política está ahí, en el ambiente, en ningún lugar y en todos a la vez, sin Bastilla que asaltar para ponerle fin. Pero no por ello es menos real:

The terror against anyone who dissents from Political Correctness on campus is part of it. It’s exactly what we have seen happen in Russia, in Germany, in Italy, in China, and now it’s coming here.
La voz de alarma que da este señor, del que no sé nada pero al que pienso googlear hasta que me sangren los dedos, es muy necesaria. El Marxismo, derrotado militarmente, se nos ha colado de forma subrepticia por muchos otros caminos, sobre todo culturales, como dice el artículo. Y el resultado es una sociedad que acepta sin pestañear aberraciones como las cuotas y la discriminación positiva:

In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good – feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, gayss. These groups are determined to be "victims," and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil

La mayor parte de la gente no lo entenderá, en primer lugar porque está en inglés (qué triste) y en segundo lugar precisamente por lo mismo que denuncia: el lavado de cerebro colectivo que el Marxismo ha conseguido colarnos, de forma tan venenosa como eficaz, desde los años 30.

Progres, feministas, hombres-blanditos, ecologistas, teológos de la liberación, mujeres "porqueyolovalguistas", buenrollistas, y voluntarios de ONGs con vocación de salvar al planeta, ahórrense el esfuerzo. Sería como intentar enseñar física cuántica a un chimpancé.
 

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La voz de alarma que da este señor, del que no sé nada pero al que pienso googlear hasta que me sangren los dedos,
Por lo visto se llama William S. Lind. A mi tambien me ha gustado mucho el articulo, pero creo que tiene poco alcance. Este señor unicamente explica el origen de unas corrientes culturales absolutamente minoritarias, con predominio en las universidades americanas y en algunas europeas. Supongo que nadie pretendera hacerme creer que todo el movimiento ecologista deriva, tal como dice el articulo, de los desvarios de un señorito intelectual aleman en los años treinta. Los movimientos historicos nunca tienen una unica causa.
Es curioso cuanto han cambiado las cosas: todo ese rollo del deconstructivismo, la interpretacion freudiana de la literatura, la historia de genero, etc. Parecian el colmo de la "modernidad" y de la "transgresión" en los tiempos de las patillas y los seiscientos. Y hoy dia me suenan como el eco lejano de un charlatan decimononico, como las chorradas de Lombroso. Ni siquiera son ideas antiguas: son ideas viejas.
El siglo XXI ha traido algo de bueno: al menos ya no tenemos que fingir que comprendemos o nos interesa Marcusse, Deleuze o Lacan.
 

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ASEREJE, DEJE, DEJEBE, BUGY, BUGY. Ouh Yeah¡¡¡
No hace falta se va uno a libertad digital, y lee a los sesudos librepensadores que pululan por allí, y se entera uno de la fiesta.
Por cierto, que vosotros esteis ahi dándole al teclado se debe a esa manada de guano, como los progresistas, que en sus tiempos batallaron por condiciones más dignas de vida.
Como veo por donde van los tiros ideologicos del Señor Morales, le recomiendo articulitos de Jorge Valin, son muy, muy estimulantes.
 

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unas corrientes culturales absolutamente minoritarias, con predominio en las universidades americanas y en algunas europeas.

El siglo XXI ha traido algo de bueno: al menos ya no tenemos que fingir que comprendemos o nos interesa Marcusse, Deleuze o Lacan.
Ahora lo cool es ir con Le Monde Diplomatique debajo del brazo. Igual de ladrillo, y también de pega, para figurar.

Yo no estoy tan seguro de que se trate de corrientes minoritarias, ni de ideas pasadas de época. Creo que su herencia sigue viva, para nuestra desgracia. En este mismo foro tenemos un buen número de "intelectuales vanguardistas" que piden el regreso al socialismo, la sumisión del mercado y la sociedad al Estado, las restricciones a la libertad, etc.
 

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pues si y ademas del Le monde diplomatique, red voltaire, rebelión, insurgente, y kaos por ejemplo
Y para exonerar la razón o Libertad digital (menuda guasa la libertad que estos proponen).
y sí larga vida al socialismo.
 
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Progresar: Avanzar, mejorar, hacer adelantos en determinada materia.
Conservar: Continuar la práctica de costumbres, virtudes y cosas semejantes.



Lo demás paparruchas. :cool:
 

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El siglo XXI ha traido algo de bueno: al menos ya no tenemos que fingir que comprendemos o nos interesa Marcusse, Deleuze o Lacan.
En cambio Gramsci sigue siendo un referente imprescindible para comprender como funciona la sociedad moderna. Su teoria de la hegemonia cultural sigue perfectamente vigente. Solo hay que ver en Espanya, todas las televisiones, el cine, etc. a favor de los progres.

R6L
 

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pues si y ademas del Le monde diplomatique, red voltaire, rebelión, insurgente, y kaos por ejemplo
Y para exonerar la razón o Libertad digital (menuda guasa la libertad que estos proponen).
y sí larga vida al socialismo.
Amén, cachopo
 

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pues si y ademas del Le monde diplomatique, red voltaire, rebelión, insurgente, y kaos por ejemplo
Y para exonerar la razón o Libertad digital (menuda guasa la libertad que estos proponen).
y sí larga vida al socialismo.
Que yo sepa, ser marxista es hoy de carcas y desfasado. Lo guay es decir que eres liberal aunque idolatres a Franco y Pinochet (hoy está muy de moda quitar importancia a los crímenes del fascismo y ser anticomunista a tope).
 

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Ni marxista ni franquista, hoy dia lo que mola es ser paracaidista.
 

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ASEREJE, DEJE, DEJEBE, BUGY, BUGY. Ouh Yeah¡¡¡
No hace falta se va uno a libertad digital, y lee a los sesudos librepensadores que pululan por allí, y se entera uno de la fiesta.
Por cierto, que vosotros esteis ahi dándole al teclado se debe a esa manada de guano, como los progresistas, que en sus tiempos batallaron por condiciones más dignas de vida.Como veo por donde van los tiros ideologicos del Señor Morales, le recomiendo articulitos de Jorge Valin, son muy, muy estimulantes.
Politicamente activo no hay ninguno que yo sepa...
¿Pepe Blanco? iba de corto
¿ZP? estaba por un futuro de vendedor de coches ams que por politica
¿Felipe Gonzalez? ya no ejerce y ademas estaba de jefe de centuria de falange en su pueblo
¿Carrillo? Suficiente tiene con esconder un oscuro y sangriento pasado...
¿Guerra? Pobrisssoooooooooo
¿Maragall? Aparte de revolucionario de café y asiduo al Bocaccio y la gauche divine era pasante del alcade franquista Porcioles en el ayuntamiento barcelones
¿Rosa Regas o Mercedes Mila? Aparte de que son parte de las familias mas adineradas y colaboradoras del regimen puesssssssss...
¿Llamazares? jajaajjjajajajjja

la verdad, muchos muchos no quedan por no decir ninguno :cool:
 

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No se me confunda caballero, a mi los Mila, los Sarda, los Sabina y demás me la sudan, son tan de derechas como Pio Moa, solo que con una manita de barniz modernista, eso no es socialismo, es lo que les gusta a ustedes con una capita de populismo para enganchar a las masas y voila. Progresistas a la marca¡¡¡
 

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Por cierto, que vosotros esteis ahi dándole al teclado se debe a esa manada de guano, como los progresistas, que en sus tiempos batallaron por condiciones más dignas de vida.
¿Quienes batallaron? ¿Los estructuralistas? ¿Los existencialistas? Esos batallarian por un despacho mas grande en el departamento universitario. Oye, ¿Tu estas segura de que has comprendido el articulo? Porque yo considero que habla de una secta que tiene secuestradas las facultades de letras, y cuyos miembros no tienen el menor interes en defender la pluralidad de ideas, todo lo contrario: te sabotean y te impiden publicar o promocionarte en cuanto averiguan que no comulgas con ellos. Esto lo se de primera mano, no me invento nada.
Los articulos de le Monde Diplomatique que merecen la pena son los que contienen datos y analisis: los que denuncian injusticias y los que destripan friamente el sistema financiero internacional. Cuando se ponen en plan doctrinario, yo simplemente paso pagina.
Alguna vez tendran que explicarme como nos convencieron de que un departamento de Estudios de la Mujer, que puede llegar a publicar un articulo sobre "La Novena Sinfonia de Beethoven Como Metafora de la Violacion", digo que como llegamos a creer que semejante monton de hez ayuda a la causa de la izquierda.
 

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Mouguias yo no rayo a tu altura ni de coña, asi que sere simple y directa no se me pone en la punta del Arco de Triunfo reivindicar las condiciones de vida de los inicios de la Revolución Industrial, simple pero aclarativo, me da igual estructuralismo, fabianismo o el Oremus de la Bernarda, y conceder poesias a energumenos como Six, o el señor Morales, va en contra de todas las peleas de gente anonima, como las mujeres que murieron quemadas vivas por reivindicar una jornada laboral más humana,( día de la mujer trabajadora), si usted quiere dialogar con ellos me parece bien.
Visto los millones de muertos y damnificados del neoliberalismo, no me queda humor.
Espere si, me queda para justificar que mi coche siga andando, mientras se incrementa el número de pobres.