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| Esto claramente va parriba..... Military help for Georgia is a 'declaration of war', says Moscow in extraordinary warning to the West Moscow has issued an extraordinary warning to the West that military assistance to Georgia for use against South Ossetia or Abkhazia would be viewed as a "declaration of war" by Russia. The extreme rhetoric from the Kremlin's envoy to NATO came as President Dmitry Medvedev stressed he will make a military response to US missile defence installations in eastern Europe, sending new shudders across countries whose people were once blighted by the Iron Curtain. And Moscow also emphasised it was closely monitoring what it claims is a build-up of NATO firepower in the Black Sea. The incendiary warning on Western military involvement in Georgia - where NATO nations have long played a role in training and equipping the small state - came in an interview with Dmitry Rogozin, a former nationalist politician who is now ambassador to the North Atlantic Alliance. "If NATO suddenly takes military actions against Abkhazia and South Ossetia, acting solely in support of Tbilisi, this will mean a declaration of war on Russia," he stated. Yesterday likened the current world crisis to the fevered atmosphere before the start of the First World War. Rogozin said he did not believe the crisis would descend to war between the West and Russia. But his use of such intemperate language will be seen as dowsing a fire with petrol. Top military figure Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Studies in Moscow, alleged that the US and NATO had been arming Georgia as a dress rehearsal for a future military operation in Iran. "We are close to a serious conflict - U.S. and NATO preparations on a strategic scale are ongoing. In the operation the West conducted on Georgian soil against Russia - South Ossetians were the victims or hostages of it - we can see a rehearsal for an attack on Iran." He claimed Washington was fine tuning a new type of warfare and that the threat of an attack on Iran was growing by the day bringing "chaos and instability" in its wake. With the real architect of the worsening Georgian conflict - prime minister Vladimir Putin - remaining in the background, Medvedev followed up on Rogozin's broadside with a threat to use the Russian military machine to respond to the deployment of the American anti-missile defence system in Poland and the Czech republic. Poland agreed this month to place ten interceptor missiles on its territory, and Moscow has already hinted it would become a nuclear target for Russia in the event of conflict. Military help for Georgia is a 'declaration of war', says Moscow in extraordinary warning to the West| News | This is London
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| U.S. & RUSSIAN Warships Line Up Over Georgia US and Russian warships took up positions in the Black Sea today in a risky war of nerves on opposing sides of the Georgia conflict. With the Russians effectively controlling Georgia's main naval base of Poti, Moscow also dispatched the Moskva missile cruiser and two smaller craft on "peacekeeping" duties at the port of Sukhumi on the coast of Abkhazia, the breakaway region that the Kremlin recognised as independent yesterday. The Americans, wary of escalating an already fraught situation, cancelled the scheduled docking in Poti of the US Coast Guard vessel, the Dallas, and instead sent it to the southern Georgian-controlled port of Batumi, 200km (124 miles) from the Russian ships, where it delivered humanitarian aid. "Let's hope we don't see any direct confrontation," said Dmitri Peskov, the spokesman for the Russian prime minister, Vladimir Putin, as the Russians challenged the US policy of using military aircraft and ships to deliver relief supplies. "The decision to deliver aid using Nato battleships is something that hardly can be explained," said Peskov. "It's not a common practice." He said Russian naval forces were taking "some measures of precaution" around the Black Sea as the worsening dispute caused by Russia's recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia independence brought strong criticism from the key European countries most reluctant to sever relations with Russia. The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, spoke to President Dmitri Medvedev today, the first western leader to talk to the Kremlin since Medvedev announced the recognition of the two secessionist regions of Georgia. She made it plain she had voiced her strong disapproval to the Russian leader. "I made clear above all that I would have expected that we would talk about these questions in [international] organisations before unilateral recognition happened," she said. "There are several UN Security Council resolutions in which the territorial integrity of Georgia was stressed, which Russia also worked on." The French foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner, said Russia had broken international law and, along with other senior European officials, worried that Russia's decision to redraw Georgia's borders would encourage Moscow to act similarly with other former parts of the Soviet Union such as Ukraine. "We cannot accept these violations of international law ... of a territory by the army of a neighboring country," he said. Germany and France, who opposed the US and Britain in April in blocking Georgian negotiations to join Nato, have been the most reluctant to punish Russia for the Georgian conflict of the past three weeks and are desperate to try to revive the Russia-Georgia peace plan mediated by the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, a fortnight ago. Paris and Berlin agree the unilateral recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia by Russia left the peace plan ineffectual. A summit of EU leaders in Brussels on Monday is to ponder Europe's options. With mounting warnings of western economic or trade sanctions against Russia, an EU official admitted that threats to block Russian membership of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) were meaningless. The push for Russian admission being driven not by Moscow but by western business interests keen to tap the large Russian market, he said. Peskov warned that trade sanctions against Moscow would hurt the west as much as Russia. He admitted that South Ossetia, a mountainous region of 70,000 people, would struggle to establish itself as an independent state, but stressed that Russia's constitution made it possible for Russia to expand. "My country will extend the arm of cooperation and friendship to ease the transition period [for South Ossetia]," he said. EU officials complained that Moscow was seeking to control the distribution of international relief. EU aid officials were demanding entry to the Russian controlled regions, but were being barred unless they handed over the aid to the Russian authorities for distribution. US and Russian warships line up in dispute over Georgia | World news | guardian.co.uk PD: Siento poner estos tochos en ingles pero me parecen interesantes como para esperar que algun medio lo ponga en español, si es que lo hacen algun dia.
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| Ya está en español en wikipedia: Guerra en Osetia del Sur de 2008 - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre edito: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerra_...rat.C3.A9gicas ... - Georgia puede cobrar importancia estratégica para los Estados Unidos en caso de un conflicto bélico con Irán, ya que se encuentra a solo 100 kilómetros de distancia. ...
__________________ Las palabras son aire y van al aire. Las lágrimas son agua y van al mar. El poder puede impedirte hacer cosas, pero no puede obligarte a hacer lo que ellos quieran linea900 CON EL AGUA DE TODOS http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgYTrfNIHg ¿funciona la "joe cell"? Úlima edición por pobre_pringao fecha: 08-28-2008 a las 01:52 AM. |
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| Para los conspiranoicos dejo una casualidad: Un terremoto de 6.3 en LAKE BAYKAL REGION, RUSSIA at: 51.75N 104.21E Depth 10km 27/08/2008 at 01:35:29 (Universal Time) Un terremoto de 5.3 en IRAN-IRAQ BORDER REGION at: 32.36N 47.43E Depth 30km 27/08/2008 at 21:52:41 (Universal Time) |
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__________________ You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world |
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__________________ Yo estuve allí, el día en el que la voluntad del Hombre fracasó. |
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| Tal y como yo lo veo, todo esto ha sido una enorme metedura de pata de USA, una que Moscú estaba esperando. Veamos: El periodo de "entreguerra" fria se caracterizó por la administración Bush. Empezó con Bush padre, y terminará con Bush hijo. Los Bush, y la gente que les rodea, los que se conformaron como el "estamento de poder" en USA al terminar la era Reagan son gente que no sabe manejarse en un mundo multipolar. En cuanto cayó Rusia y finalizó el conflicto de Iran e Irak (Que era reflejo de esta), Irank necesitaba pagar su factura de guerra. USA necesitaba librarse de un aliado incómodo. Eso originó el ataque a kuwait y el comienzo de la política de los Bush de avasallar a estados menores, pero importantes estratégicamente. Al no existir una potencia enfrentada, USA lo tuvo facil para todo tipo de acciones inaceptables en otros casos (Como el ataque preventivo a Irak por las armas de destrucción masiva, etc...). No hicieron gala de elegante geoestrategia, diplomacia y astutas intrigas: fueron burdos, brutales y zafios, como un elefante en una cacharreria. Ahora, quisieron jugar mas fuerte con Rusia, y han querido aplicar la misma fórmula: no funciona. No solo no funciona, sino que les deja en una posición espantosa. Si USA queria atacar una pequeña nación (Afganistan) y el lider de esta amenazaba al mundo occidental, USA se reia de el, al iguañl que sus aliados. Si un pais del tamaño de Rusia realiza la misma amenaza, USA tiene que cambiar su diálogo y sus aliados se "enfrian": las apuestas son demasiado altas. La guerra fria fue una época de guerras encubiertas, pero entre las dos grandes potencias había un cuidado exquisito para evitar provocaciones burdas y situaciones insostenibles: ahora no se esta dando eso. Por eso la situación es mas volatil que nunca. Lo que esta claro es que no hay forma en la que USA pueda salir de todo esto indemne. Como poco, habra perdido gran parte de credibilidad y sus aliados se habran mostrado timoratos. Ante el resto de paises no alineados en zonas calientes esto es un golpe del que dificilmente se podra recuperar.
__________________ It was the year of fire... the year of destruction... the year we took back what was ours. It was the year of rebirth... the year of great sadness... the year of pain... and the year of joy. It was a new age. It was the end of history. It was the year everything changed. |
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| Bienvenido amigo. PD No olvides ser un algo hipócrita y un pelín "mamarracho" para que no te vuelvan a banear ![]() |
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| "German industry is worried," Cita:
__________________ hola, yo dejaria el suelo q tienes y le pondria un gresite pero de losetas grandes al tono, porq una amiga ha puesto suelo y paredes y para mi gusto parece q entras en una piscina marron... no se si me explico.. (hilo del gresite en facilísimo) |
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| Militares rusos examinan los vehículos norteamericanos "Hammer" tomados como trofeos de guerra 21:00 | 28/ 08/ 2008 El 18 de agosto, cerca de Poti fue detenido un grupo de 20 militares georgianos que se desplazaban en cinco vehículos norteamericanos de la marca "Hammer". EEUU declaró que Rusia debía devolver inmediatamente los bienes militares estadounidenses. El Estado Mayor ruso se negó a hacerlo y calificó de "poco delicadas" las exigencias de EEUU. "Estados Unidos insiste en que le devuelvan esos vehículos porque llevan muchas 'cosas interesantes'", explicó el general Nogovitsin. RIA Novosti - Últimas noticias - Militares rusos examinan los vehículos norteamericanos "Hammer" tomados como trofeos de guerra Si no fuese por el transfondo de una situación seria, diría que ese "diálogo" está sacado de algún guión humorístico.... Tan humorístico como que RIA Novosti - Últimas noticias - Presidente de Polonia propondrá a la UE aplicar sanciones contra Rusia O como RIA Novosti - Últimas noticias - Estonia exhorta a que UE juegue papel rector en la zona del conflicto georgiano-oseta Claro que quizás debiera someter a revisión mi sentido del humor ![]() Úlima edición por Natalia_ fecha: 08-29-2008 a las 12:22 AM. |
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Que estén en su derecho o no es lo de menos, usan la fuerza bruta para imponer su voluntad, como los USianos.
__________________ “There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of the voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.” - Ludwig von Mises, "Human Action, A Treatise of Economics" Yale University Press, 1949 |
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| Otro enlace de wikipedia. Enfrentamiento naval en Abjasia de 2008 - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
__________________ Las palabras son aire y van al aire. Las lágrimas son agua y van al mar. El poder puede impedirte hacer cosas, pero no puede obligarte a hacer lo que ellos quieran linea900 CON EL AGUA DE TODOS http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgYTrfNIHg ¿funciona la "joe cell"? |
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| INTERNACIONAL Rusia sube el tono en su pulso a Occidente Ni China ni cuatro ex repúblicas soviéticas apoyan la independencia de Osetia del Sur y Abjazia CUATRO - 28/08/2008 - 18:22 Rusia afirma haber aprobado un misil capaz de atravesar el sistema antimisiles de Estados Unidos. Da, así, un paso más en su enfrentamiento mientras se acrecienta su aislamiento diplomático. El presidente ruso no ha conseguido el apoyo ni de China ni de cuatro ex repúblicas soviéticas en el reconocimiento de la independencia de las regiones georgianas de Abjazia ni de Osetia del Sur. El próximo lunes día 1 de septiembre, Europa va a estudiar sanciones contra Rusia. no sé qué grado de fiabilidad tiene esta noticia viniendo de donde viene....... |
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