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Citigroup Shares Tumble After Analyst Sees $10 Billion Writedown - Financials * US * News * Story - CNBC.com

Citigroup Shares Tumble After Analyst Sees Major Writedown
Published: Friday, 30 Oct 2009 | 2:36 PM ET

By: Steve Liesman
Senior Economics Reporter

Citigroup may have to write down about $10 billion in deferred tax assets in the fourth-quarter, according to CLSA banking analyst Michael Mayo, sending the shares down over 5 percent.

Citigroup [C 4.0999 -0.2101 (-4.87%) ] has not yet commented on Mayo's analysis.

Mayo disclosed his expectation that more writedowns were ahead in a conference call Friday. In the wake of this disclosure, shares of banking stocks, including Citigroup, were trading lower.

Deferred tax assets can be used to offset future gains. However, if over time, a company does not have gains to offset, the value of the deferred tax assets must be written down.

Mayo estimates the $10 billion writedown would be equal to about 25 percent of Citigroup's existing $38 billion in deferred tax assets, and about 10 percent of Citigroup's tangible equity.

According to Mayo, Citigroup may be able to offset a portion of the expected write down with other gains.
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Citi, Bac, AIG,...están todas a puntito de caramelo ahora mismo en la bolsa para pegarse el hostiazo,

El mes que entra puede ser clave
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Tonuel está preparando los sellos...
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Pero quiebra o no quiebra oficialmente??

Hoy -17,44%
Ayer -16.84
Anteayer -10.36%
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Pero quiebra o no quiebra oficialmente??

Hoy -17,44%
Ayer -16.84
Anteayer -10.36%

Que Cit no es Citigroup.
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Cit group es igual a Citi group? que lio
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Antiguo 30-oct-2009, 19:06
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Entonces Cit Group tambien se va a pegar otro castañazo
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Me parece que hay gente que esta confundiendo citigroup con cit group
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Me parece que hay gente que esta confundiendo citigroup con cit group

Es el gato-pardismo...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/bu...my/01citi.html

Un artículo que merece la pena leer entero, dejo aquí algunos extractos:


OVER the past 80 years, the United States government has engineered not one, not two, not three, but at least four rescues of the institution now known as Citigroup. In previous instances, the bank came back from the crisis and prospered.

If Citigroup remains stuck, taxpayers will be on the hook for outsize losses.


Chris Whalen, editor of the Institutional Risk Analyst, calls Citigroup “the queen of the zombie dance,” referring to the group of financial institutions that the government has on life support.

“They are hoping that a combination of bank assistance and maximizing revenue and buying time will let them survive,” he said. “When I look at the whole picture, Citigroup is in the process of resolution. I continue to believe the equity is worth zero and that the company will have to go to bondholders for some kind of money to make the bank stable.”


Representative Lloyd Doggett, a Texas Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee, recently registered unease about the government’s guarantee of $300 billion in Citigroup assets and how effectively the Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, was monitoring the bank.

“We cannot know the full scope of the taxpayers’ potential cost from these hasty guarantees,” Mr. Doggett said last week in an e-mail message. “Inexplicably, Secretary Geithner appears unwilling to commit to conduct an analysis, despite my specific request to him in March. A critical and transparent examination of the response to the financial crisis is essential not only to learn from past mistakes, but also to prevent further erosion of the public’s trust in government.”

The Treasury secretary declined to comment.

ALTHOUGH history does not repeat, now and then, as Mark Twain famously proclaimed, it rhymes. Nowhere in the financial world, perhaps, is that more true than for Citigroup.

During the 1920s, the institution then known as National City Bank opened stores around the country to encourage the burgeoning middle class to invest in stocks and bonds. With little money down — 10 percent of the cost of a trade was all an investor needed to buy shares — investors poured into the stock market. Charles E. Mitchell, C.E.O. of National City, hyped these sales throughout the period. His nickname was “Sunshine Charley.”

Then came the Great Crash of 1929. Vilified as a “bankster” in the aftermath of the crash, Mr. Mitchell testified to Congress that banks “were too ready to loan, too ready to meet the competition of neighbors, too willing to cut down their margins to a point of encouraging excessive bargaining.”

Before the crash, industry practice allowed National City not only to underwrite securities but also to employ a sales army to peddle them to depositors. After Congressional hearings determined that this conflict of interest was a major cause of the debacle, lawmakers passed the Glass-Steagall Act, separating activities of commercial banks (which offered plain old savings accounts and loans) from those of investment firms (which trafficked in more highflying endeavors like stock trading and underwriting).

Although thousands of smaller banks failed, government policies to prop up the banking sector helped National City and other major banks weather the Depression.

By 1998, Citicorp had more than regained its footing and was willing to take a more aggressive stance. At the direction of its chief executive, John S. Reed, Citicorp agreed to join forces with the Travelers Group, an amalgam of insurance, brokerage and investment banking services run by a brash dealmaker named Sanford I. Weill. The largest merger in history followed, creating a colossus named Citigroup with $700 billion in assets.

Because Travelers had an investment firm under its umbrella, the creation of Citigroup prompted Congress to eliminate what remained of the Depression-era separation between Main Street banking and Wall Street trading. Mr. Reed and Mr. Weill argued persuasively for the change, and, along with the rest of the financial industry, deployed an armada of lobbyists in Washington. In 1999, Congress overturned Glass-Steagall.

“By liberating our financial companies from an antiquated regulatory structure, this legislation will unleash the creativity of our industry and insure our global competitiveness,” Mr. Weill and Mr. Reed, Citigroup’s co-chairmen and co-chief executives, said in a statement after Congress repealed the law. “As a result, all Americans — investors, savers, insureds — will be better served.”

Even with occasional regulatory restraints, Citigroup’s assets ballooned from $1.49 trillion to $2.19 trillion from 2005 to 2007, an increase of 46.9 percent (and three times the size of Citigroup’s balance sheet when the merger that created it occurred).

But amid that impressive growth, dubious mortgage loans and questionable trading in mortgage and other debt-related securities began to undermine Citigroup’s finances. One ugly class of securities continues to haunt the bank: collateralized debt obligations, or C.D.O.’s.

From 2004 to the beginning of 2008, Citigroup underwrote $70 billion in C.D.O.’s but had to keep $57 billion of that amount on its own books when it couldn’t find buyers, according to a class-action lawsuit filed in federal court in Manhattan, on behalf of disgruntled Citigroup investors. The suit contends that by late 2006, Citigroup’s C.D.O. operations “had devolved into a Ponzi scheme where unsold portions of older C.D.O. securitizations were recycled as the asset base for new C.D.O. securitizations.”

Furthermore, the lawsuit says, Citigroup executives engaged in various accounting gimmicks to conceal the bank’s ownership of assets that eventually soured. Citigroup denies the allegations and says it will vigorously fight the suit.

Still, the unfortunate truth about the bank during the last several years, according to analysts and former insiders, is that it was managed horribly. “They just blew it,” said one former Citigroup executive, who like many others interviewed for this article requested anonymity because of pending lawsuits and a desire to preserve relationships with former colleagues. “It’s really hard to drive the car if you don’t have the headlights on.”



Mr. Whalen, the bank analyst, thinks that squaring away Citigroup’s problems will take more than low interest rates and taxpayer assistance.

“Citigroup will need future capital injections,” he said. “Eventually what happens with Citigroup is the government is going to turn to the bondholders and say we can’t put any more money into this. You own the company now.”

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