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Ya sé que no tiene directamente que ver con la economía, pero veo que tiene poca difución el tema.
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EEUU podrá encarcelar sin juicio previo a sospechosos de terrorismo
Un nuevo proyecto de ley extiende los poderes del presidente para arrestar sin cargos en base a sospechas


Estados Unidos podrá detener y encarcelar a cualquier ciudadano sin juicio previo sólo por el hecho de ser sospechoso de terrorismo. El Congreso de EEUU dará a Barack Obama la potestad de detener indefinidamente a ciudadanos americanos bajo custodia militar, gracias a un nuevo proyecto de ley de Defensa que se aprobará esta semana, según informa The Huffington Post.

Sobre la llamada National Defense Authorization Act se cernía la sombra del veto presidencial, según estas mismas fuentes, después de que la Casa Blanca se quejara de que el borrador del proyecto de ley restringía, a su juicio, la capacidad del presidente para luchar contra el terrorismo.

Sin embargo, las presiones han surtido efecto y la versión filtrada este lunes autoriza la encarcelación indefinida de sospechosos vinculados a Al Qaeda o a sus células, incluyendo ciudadanos capturados en Estados Unidos.

"La patria también es parte del campo de batalla", dicen sus defensores

La principal novedad de la ley es que el presidente de Estados Unidos podrá argumentar razones de seguridad nacional para no tener que pedir permiso al Ejército a la hora de detener a los acusados de pertenecer a la organización terrorista. En la actual legislación, esto se limitaba a ciudadanos extranjeros, pero ahora también los estadounidenses o residentes permanentes en este país podrán ser detenidos bajo estos presupuestos.

Además, el nuevo proyecto pone serias trabas a la extradición de prisioneros de Guantánamo así como a la celebración de juicios.

Quienes defienden esta nueva ley, como el senador Lindsey Graham, consideran que "la patria también forma parte del campo de batalla".

Sus opositores, por el contrario, lamentan que esta medida vaya a salir adelante porque consideran que "lo que se ha cambiado no es simplemente una coma". Así lo asegura Christopher Anders, miembro de la Unión Americana de Libertades Civiles, quien exige el veto a este proyecto de ley. Desde el Centro por los Derechos Constitucionales aseguran en un comunicado que si Obama aprueba esta ley, "será responsable de convertir en ley una de las mayores expansiones del poder Ejecutivo en la historia del país". "La detención indefinida es contraria a la mayoría de los principios fundamentales que rigen el Derecho", concluye.

EEUU podrá encarcelar sin juicio previo a sospechosos de terrorismo - Público.es

US Congress to vote on indefinite detention

The US aims to declare the world a battlefield, making virtually anyone vulnerable to indefinite military detention.


While it's known that the US has used indefinite detention of suspects in its "war on terror", the House and Senate are just a vote away from making the same treatment legal for US citizens apprehended within the US.

The Senate already passed one version of the 2012 National Defence Authorisation Act (or NDAA) on December 1, with 93 votes in favour of and seven against - a remarkable margin.

The bill, which includes the 2012 $662bn military budget and more. But civil liberties advocates are concerned over a section in the legislation that deals with the detention of civilians by the military.

Provisions in the bill codify an approach that allows for endless detention of US citizens and non-citizens picked up anywhere in the world. They also gives the US military the option to detain US citizens suspected of participating or aiding in terrorist activities without a trial, indefinitely.

A person can be detained "under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities", the bill states. The hostility in question here is the "war on terror", and at the moment, it seems to have no end.

Attempts were made by several senators to strip the bill of that provision, but those attempts failed. Indeed, most of those who fought to have the provision removed from the bill - such as California's Senator Diane Feinstein and Colorado's Senator Mark Udall (both Democrats) ultimately ended up voting in favour of the bill.

Al Jazeera tried to contact nearly 30 senators from both sides of the vote (including co-sponsors senators John McCain and Carl Levin) but none seemed to be willing to talk or to answer questions about why they either voted against the provisions or, alternately, why they feel they are necessary and why the US justice system is inadequate to deal with terrorist suspects.

Where Obama stands

Under pressure from the White House, Congress tweaked the bill on Monday, altering it to say that the military cannot interfere with FBI and other civilian investigations and interrogations. The revisions also allow the president to sign a waiver moving a terror suspect from military to civilian prison. The final version of the bill is expected to go through the Senate and House by Thursday before it is signed - or vetoed - by President Barack Obama.

For weeks, the White House has been expressing concern over the bill. A November 17 statement from the Executive Office of the President rejects codification of such detention authority and reads that in its current form, the provisions, "disrupt the Executive branch's ability to enforce the law" while "inject[ing] legal uncertainty and ambiguity that may only complicate the military's operations and detention practices".

But Aziz Rana, a professor of Constitutional law at Cornell University, said the Obama administration's approval of the assassination of terrorist suspect Anwar al-Awlaki, (US citizen killed in Yemen via US drone strikes) - points to strong similarities between how it operates and what Congress is trying to codify.

"The Obama administration's critique interestingly, is not therefore the civil libertarian critique," said Rana.

"The administration's critique is that this unnecessarily infringes on the Executive branch's ability to carry on the global war on terror - in other words, Congress is micromanaging through codification. So it's really an inter-branch battle."

He said that the distinction is one of either having a codified, set-in-stone basis for long-standing emergency practices that are quite coercive or simply giving greater leeway to the Executive branch to make up policies as it goes along.

"We can rightly be suspicious of the extent to which the Obama administration will actually use a veto and expend political capital in the context of an upcoming election on these sorts of issues," said Rana.

If it ain’t broke…

Indeed, the chief argument against codifying these provisions and giving the military a role in domestic terrorist investigation is that the system works just fine as it is.

"You can't find any national security experts in favour of these provisions," said Heather Hulburt, executive director of the National Security Network, a non-profit foreign policy organisation with a focus on national security.

The list of those against the provisions reads like and institutional who's who of national security - FBI Director Robert Mueller, CIA Director David Petraeus, Secretary of Defence Leon Panetta and dozens of senior White House counterterrorism officials, retired generals and retired interrogators have all come out strongly against allowing the US military to police US streets and detain US citizens - possibly overseas - without trial or access to their countries' legal system.

John Brennan, the White House senior counterterrorism adviser told a US radio show that he believes the provisions are unnecessary and that "a very strong established track record of dealing successfully with individuals here in the United States who are involved in terrorism-related activities".

Hulburt said the US has a very effective criminal justice system with a high conviction rate and severe sentences for those found guilty on terror-related charges.

"The parts of our government that are most experienced, not just at prosecuting cases but at interrogating people and actually helping in getting information that is not helpful just in that one case but actually on other networks and preventing further acts of terrorism is the FBI," said Hulbert.

According to the US Department of Justice, there have been over 400 terrorist convictions in civilian courts since the September 11 attacks.

Besides, the military is not set up for domestic law enforcement, said Hulburt, adding that she’s done briefings with members of the military who "roll their eyes and say 'I don't know, on a practical level, how they expect us to this'".

The world is a 'battlefield'

The bill defines the world - the entire world - as a war zone, meaning that anyone can be detained anywhere in the world and they can be said to be on the battlefield of the "war on terror".

Senator Lindsey Graham (a Republican from South Carolina, who also did not respond to a request for an interview) went so far as to say that it is justifiable to target US citizens in the US for endless military detention because "this notion that the homeland is not part of the battlefield is absurd".

Geneve Manatri, government relations director for Security with Human Rights at Amnesty International USA, disagrees.

"Senator Graham and people who share his point of view essentially believe that we are at war, and that that war and that battlefield extends everywhere. But taken to its logical conclusion - the idea is nonsensical. Where else are we really going to use drones? On the main street of Montreal? Or in the middle of America, are we going to chase someone down to a 7-Eleven with military force or drone," said Manatri.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has also been speaking out against the open-ended definition of the conflict as well as the location of the battlefield.

"The bill is a big deal," said Christopher Anders, the ACLU's senior legislative counsel.

"It would authorise the president to order the military to capture civilians and put them in indefinite detention without charge or trial, with no limitation based on either geography or citizenship. The military would have the authority to imprison persons far from any battlefield, including American citizens and including people picked up in the US."

Mirroring authoritarian regimes

When it comes to their citizens being detained in other countries without due process, no figure can muster outrage like a US politician.

Take the case of Sarah Shourd, Josh Fattal and Shane Bauer, known to many as simply "the American hikers" during their detention in Iran, where the government accused them of being spies and sentenced them without trial. Shourd was held for more than a year, while Fattal and Bauer waited for two years before they were tried, convicted and ultimately freed.

The rallying cry to release them was strong, if not necessarily sustained. There was even a US Senate resolution, co-sponsored by two Minnesota senators - Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar, both Democrats, urging Iran to free the three prisoners.

"The fact that these three innocent Americans have been unjustly detained for over a year is incomprehensible," said Franken at the passage of the resolution in August 2010.

"The Iranian government needs to release Shane, Sarah and Josh immediately so that that they can be reunited with their families and start putting their lives back together."

Franken and Klobuchar both voted in favour of the NDAA.

Given the way the US typically lambastes states it feels violating fundamental rights by detaining people without end or trial, it seems odd that it seems to going in that direction.

Between increasing troop levels within the US (roughly 20,000 to be deployed internally) and then giving them the option to pull US citizens off the streets and send them Guantanamo Bay indefinitely, the provisions in the NDAA take a page out of the playbooks of governments they routinely criticise.

"This flies in the face of fundamental rights, the constitution and recent US history," said Manatri, referring to the 2001 attacks.

"In some ways, we're less thoughtful, we're less reflective, we're less concerned with protecting individual rights now than we were 10 years ago. Were any other country to apply the terms of this bill to the US or its allies, the US would be the first to complain."

The ACLU's position is similar, and Anders pointed out that the "enactment of this legislation would certainly undermine the US government's policy of urging other governments to rely on their courts and not on military detention."

Keeping Guantanamo open

Realistically, there are few facilities where US citizens are being detained under these new provisions.

"Physically, in terms of where you hold these people, you cannot hold them indefinitely, domestically, inside the US, in the same facility as somebody charged with a penal crime," said Manatri.

He said that within the US, there is Fort Leavenworth, in Kansas, and the military brig in Charleston, South Carolina, neither of which have much capacity for such operations.

"So if you're being held as a 'prisoner of war' then you're not being punished for your position. What they can do is to remove such a person from 'the battlefield' - to take you away from hostilities. You can't be in the same facility as a convicted criminal," said Manatri, adding, "there are hardly any facilities domestically where you can be placed, and that's part of the reason why they are trying to do this, so you can only really be sent to Guantanamo."

Keeping the Guantanamo Bay detention facility open has been problematic for the Obama administration, as one of the president's key campaign promises was to shut down the US facility in Cuba.

Hulburt said the military itself has doubts as to how it could detain terror suspects in the US.

"What'll happen is that this will be a nightmare for the military to administer, the military doesn't have that many prisons or holding facilities… nobody has idea how this will work," said Hulburt.

"But there is a cynical view that calls these provisions the 'Keep Guantanamo Open' provisions and that the idea is that just about the only place you could sent them is Guantanamo."

Could a military contractor open a prison overseas to house such detainees?

"Well, Guantanamo is not that huge, and there's a timetable to get out of Afghanistan, so you wouldn't have Baghram [airbase and prison] available," said Hulburt.

"The idea that you would have contractors building prisons overseas - somebody somewhere is going to start pitching that to the Pentagon over the next few weeks."

US Congress to vote on indefinite detention - Features - Al Jazeera English
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Cuando dices,en cualquier lugar del mundo¿significa saltarse por el forro las leyes de todos los paises del mundo?

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Cuando dices,en cualquier lugar del mundo¿significa saltarse por el forro las leyes de todos los paises del mundo?

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The bill defines the world - the entire world - as a war zone, meaning that anyone can be detained anywhere in the world and they can be said to be on the battlefield of the "war on terror".

Senator Lindsey Graham (a Republican from South Carolina, who also did not respond to a request for an interview) went so far as to say that it is justifiable to target US citizens in the US for endless military detention because "this notion that the homeland is not part of the battlefield is absurd".

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Francamente preocupante, por una parte se dicen defensores de las libertades y de la democracia y por otra esto.

Parece hecho a medida para etiquetar a los de Occupy como terroristas y meterlos en los campos de la Fema indefinidamente
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A que empieza a recordarme esto? Ahhh si........ ahora es cuando el eje invade polonia digo iran y se lia parda...... jajajjajajaj
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Osea, que ya sin pretextos, son la puta policía del mundo, por la cara.

Me recuerdan a estos...



Pues yo creo que si soy acusado de terrorismo por el mismo procedimiento y naturaleza jurídica tengo plenas capacidades para ofrecer resistencia inmediata y violenta. Razón, no me ningunea ningún yankie fascista e hideputa.
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Cuidado con dejarse barba y tostarse mucho en el solarium.
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Cuidado con dejarse barba y tostarse mucho en el solarium.

no, no, a estos les preocupa bastante más que pongas una tienda de campaña o te manifiestes delante de su embajada, a los fanáticos del turbante los necesitan para justificarse
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"The bill defines the world - the entire world - as a war zone"

El presidente del pueblo, premio nobel de la paz.
Que no se diga
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Si Estados Unidos está dispuesto a llevar su guerra a todo el mundo también ha de estar dispuesto a que todo el mundo convierta Estados Unidos en su campo de batalla.

¿Se dan cuenta de hasta dónde llega su estupidez o su insufrible orgullo?
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