Interesante pregunta ein? seguro que nunca os la habeis planteado

Yo si, e imagino que en una pregunta abierta como es este post la respuesta masiva es los bancos. Pero yo tengo mis dudas ¿que volumen de dinero mueven las petroleras? ¿un estado como Rusia prefiereria tener un Santander o Gazprom?

EEUU ¿Es poderosa por la Reserva Federal o por el brent?

Los bancos en general, ¿tienen de los huevos cogidos a las petroleras, como lo tienen a estados y poblacion en general?

Que nivel de "independencia" tienen respecto a ellos, ya no solo a nivel de capital, solvencia y liquidez, sino meramente politico(aunque ambas cosas esten ligadas) ¿tienen las petroleras capacidad de jugar sus cartas y condicionarlos?

Recordad, que no estamos hablando de trigo o soja, hablamos del petroleo, del petrodolar.

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averigua quien es el propietario de los bancos, y luego averigua quien es propietario de las petroleras y tendras tu respuesta.

ps: no tardes mucho que ya estamos esperando

zanjado ya el tema? son los mismos?

en china y arabia si, ok

En Rusia a Gazprom la financia exlcusivamente un banco ruso, o el gobierno?

En EEUU, Reserva federal democrata y petroleras republicanas bailan al unisono, que lo que le va bien a una le va bien a otra?

son mis dudas simplemente, creo que razonables.

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Arrested oil tycoon passed shares to banker - Washington Times

Voting rights to the shares passed to Mr. Rothschild, 67, under a “previously unknown arrangement” designed to take effect in the event that Mr. Khodorkovsky could no longer “act as a beneficiary” of the shares, it said.

un Rochilrl ... venga, no me diga que ... amigo, es que entonces automaticamente ya me voy a ir a



bueno, a un me queda hablar de democratas y republicanos, no suelen estar muy deacuerdo con el tema del petroleo ... ¿pecata minuta hablando de los yuesei?

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Si el martillo de Thor lo recubrimos de kriptonita, matía Thor de un martillazoa Superman?

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Lo importante es participar hamijo, participar..

Pero puestos a especular, Thor lo tiene dificil. El poder supernatural que Bernanke extrae de la tinta china inutiliza el martillo kriptonizado.

hombre, bromas aparte, y creo que nadie aqui tiene la cifra exacta, uno puede pensar que las petroleras con algun lobby de por medio maneja un capital suficiente como para al menos disputar con los bancos. Si me dice que toda petrolera es posesion de un banco, pues vale. O si medio mundo es de los rochirls

OWNERSHIP OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE


Most Americans, if they know anything at all about the Federal Reserve, believe it is an agency of the United States Government. This article charts the true nature of the "National Bank."

Chart 1
Source: ** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence ** - - Published 1976

Chart 1 reveals the linear connection between the Rothschilds and the Bank of England, and the London banking houses which ultimately control the Federal Reserve Banks through their stockholdings of bank stock and their subsidiary firms in New York. The two principal Rothschild representatives in New York, J. P. Morgan Co., and Kuhn, Loeb & Co. were the firms which set up the Jekyll Island Conference at which the Federal Reserve Act was drafted, who directed the subsequent successful campaign to have the plan enacted into law by Congress, and who purchased the controlling amounts of stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in 1914. These firms had their principal officers appointed to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors and the Federal Advisory Council in 1914. In 1914 a few families (blood or business related) owning controlling stock in existing banks (such as in New York City) caused those banks to purchase controlling shares in the Federal Reserve regional banks. Examination of the charts and text in the House Banking Committee Staff Report of August, 1976 and the current stockholders list of the 12 regional Federal Reserve Banks show this same family control.

N.M. Rothschild , London - Bank of England
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| J. Henry Schroder
| Banking | Corp.
| |
Brown, Shipley - Morgan Grenfell - Lazard - |
& Company & Company Brothers |
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| | | | | |
Alex Brown - Brown Bros. - Lord Mantagu - Morgan et Cie -- Lazard ---|
& Son | Harriman Norman | Paris Bros |
| | / | N.Y. |
| | | | | |
| Governor, Bank | J.P. Morgan Co -- Lazard ---|
| of England / N.Y. Morgan Freres |
| 1924-1938 / Guaranty Co. Paris |
| / Morgan Stanley Co. | /
| / | \Schroder Bank
| / | Hamburg/Berlin
| / Drexel & Company /
| / Philadelphia /
| / /
| / Lord Airlie
| / /
| / M. M. Warburg Chmn J. Henry Schroder
| | Hamburg --------- marr. Virginia F. Ryan
| | | grand-daughter of Otto
| | | Kahn of Kuhn Loeb Co.
| | |
| | |
Lehman Brothers N.Y -------------- Kuhn Loeb Co. N. Y.
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| | | |
Lehman Brothers - Mont. Alabama Solomon Loeb Abraham Kuhn
| | __|______________________|_________
Lehman-Stern, New Orleans Jacob Schiff/Theresa Loeb Nina Loeb/Paul Warburg
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| | Mortimer Schiff James Paul Warburg
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| | | | |
Mayer Lehman | Emmanuel Lehman \
| | | \
Herbert Lehman Irving Lehman \
| | | \
Arthur Lehman \ Phillip Lehman John Schiff/Edith Brevoort Baker
/ | Present Chairman Lehman Bros
/ Robert Owen Lehman Kuhn Loeb - Granddaughter of
/ | George F. Baker
| / |
| / |
| / Lehman Bros Kuhn Loeb (1980)
| / |
| / Thomas Fortune Ryan
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Federal Reserve Bank Of New York |
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______National City Bank N. Y. |
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| National Bank of Commerce N.Y ---|
| | \
| Hanover National Bank N.Y. \
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| Chase National Bank N.Y. \
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Shareholders - National City Bank - N.Y. |
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| /
James Stillman /
Elsie m. William Rockefeller /
Isabel m. Percy Rockefeller /
William Rockefeller Shareholders - National Bank of Commerce N. Y.
J. P. Morgan -----------------------------------------------
M.T. Pyne Equitable Life - J.P. Morgan
Percy Pyne Mutual Life - J.P. Morgan
J.W. Sterling H.P. Davison - J. P. Morgan
NY Trust/NY Edison Mary W. Harriman
Shearman & Sterling A.D. Jiullard - North British Merc. Insurance
| Jacob Schiff
| Thomas F. Ryan
| Paul Warburg
| Levi P. Morton - Guaranty Trust - J. P. Morgan
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Shareholders - First National Bank of N.Y.
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J.P. Morgan
George F. Baker
George F. Baker Jr.
Edith Brevoort Baker
US Congress - 1946-64
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Shareholders - Hanover National Bank N.Y.
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James Stillman
William Rockefeller
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Shareholders - Chase National Bank N.Y.
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George F. Baker



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Chart 2
Source: ** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence ** - - Published 1983

The J. Henry Schroder Banking Company chart encompasses the entire history of the twentieth century, embracing as it does the program (Belgium Relief Commission) which provisioned Germany from 1915-1918 and dissuaded Germany from seeking peace in 1916; financing Hitler in 1933 so as to make a Second World War possible; backing the Presidential campaign of Herbert Hoover ; and even at the present time, having two of its major executives of its subsidiary firm, Bechtel Corporation serving as Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State in the Reagan Administration.

The head of the Bank of England since 1973, Sir Gordon Richardson, Governor of the Bank of England (controlled by the House of Rothschild) was chairman of J. Henry Schroder Wagg and Company of London from 1963-72, and director of J. Henry Schroder, New York and Schroder Banking Corporation, New York, as well as Lloyd's Bank of London, and Rolls Royce. He maintains a residence on Sutton Place in New York City, and as head of "The London Connection," can be said to be the single most influential banker in the world.

J. Henry Schroder
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Baron Rudolph Von Schroder
Hamburg - 1858 - 1934
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Baron Bruno Von Schroder
Hamburg - 1867 - 1940
F. C. Tiarks |
1874-1952 |
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marr. Emma Franziska |
(Hamburg) Helmut B. Schroder
J. Henry Schroder 1902 |
Dir. Bank of England |
Dir. Anglo-Iranian |
Oil Company J. Henry Schroder Banking Company N.Y.
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J. Henry Schroder Trust Company N.Y.
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Allen Dulles John Foster Dulles
Sullivan & Cromwell Sullivan & Cromwell
Director - CIA U. S. Secretary of State
Rockefeller Foundation
Prentiss Gray
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Belgian Relief Comm. Lord Airlie
Chief Marine Transportation -----------
US Food Administration WW I Chairman; Virgina Fortune
Manati Sugar Co. American & Ryan daughter of Otto Kahn
British Continental Corp. of Kuhn,Loeb Co.
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M. E. Rionda |
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Pres. Cuba Cane Sugar Co. |
Manati Sugar Co. many other |
sugar companies. _______|
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G. A. Zabriskie |
--------------- | Emile Francoui
Chmn U.S. Sugar Equalization | --------------
Board 1917-18; Pres Empire | Belgian Relief Comm. Kai
Biscuit Co., Columbia Baking | Ping Coal Mines, Tientsin
Co. , Southern Baking Co. | Railroad,Congo Copper, La
| Banque Nationale de Belgique
Suite 2000 42 Broadway | N. Y |
__________________________|_______________________ ____|
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Edgar Richard Julius H. Barnes Herbert Hoover
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Belgium Relief Comm Belgium Relief Comm Chmn Belgium Relief Com
Amer Relief Comm Pres Grain Corp. U.S. Food Admin
U.S. Food Admin U.S. Food Admin Sec of Commerce 1924-28
1918-24, Hazeltine Corp. 1917-18, C.B Pitney Kaiping Coal Mines
| Bowes Corp, Manati Congo Copper, President
| Sugar Corp. U.S. 1928-32
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John Lowery Simpson
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Sacramento,Calif Belgium Relief |
Comm. U. S. Food Administration Baron Kurt Von Schroder
Prentiss Gray Co. J. Henry Schroder -----------------------
Trust, Schroder-Rockefeller, Chmn Schroder Banking Corp. J.H. Stein
Fin Comm, Bechtel International Bankhaus (Hitler's personal bank
Co. Bechtel Co. (Casper Weinberger account) served on board of all
Sec of Defense, George P. Schultz German subsidiaries of ITT . Bank
Sec of State (Reagan Admin). for International Settlements,
| SS Senior Group Leader,Himmler's
| Circle of Friends (Nazi Fund),
| Deutsche Reichsbank,president
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Schroder-Rockefeller & Co. , N.Y.
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Avery Rockefeller, J. Henry Schroder
Banking Corp., Bechtel Co., Bechtel
International Co. , Canadian Bechtel
Company. |
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Gordon Richardson
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Governor, Bank of England
1973-PRESENT C.B. of J. Henry Schroder N.Y.
Schroder Banking Co., New York, Lloyds Bank
Rolls Royce



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Chart 3
Source: ** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence ** - - Published 1976

The David Rockefeller chart shows the link between the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Standard Oil of Indiana, General Motors and Allied Chemical Corportion (Eugene Meyer family) and Equitable Life (J. P. Morgan).


DAVID ROCKEFELLER
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Chairman of the Board
Chase Manhattan Corp
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Chase Manhattan Corp. |
Officer & Director Interlocks|---------------------
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Private Investment Co. for America Allied Chemicals Corp.
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Firestone Tire & Rubber Company General Motors
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Orion Multinational Services Ltd. Rockefeller Family & Associates
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ASARCO. Inc Chrysler Corp.
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Southern Peru Copper Corp. Intl' Basic Economy Corp.
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Industrial Minerva Mexico S.A. R.H. Macy & Co.
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Continental Corp. Selected Risk Investments S.A.
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Honeywell Inc. Omega Fund, Inc.
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Northwest Airlines, Inc. Squibb Corporation
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Northwestern Bell Telephone Co. Olin Foundation
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Minnesota Mining & Mfg Co (3M) Mutual Benefit Life Ins. Co. of NJ
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American Express Co. AT & T
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Hewlett Packard Pacific Northwestern Bell Co.
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FMC Corporation BeachviLime Ltd.
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Utah Intl' Inc. Eveleth Expansion Company
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Exxon Corporation Fidelity Union Bancorporation
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International Nickel/Canada Cypress Woods Corporation
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Federated Capital Corporation Intl' Minerals & Chemical Corp.
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Equitable Life Assurance Soc U.S. Burlington Industries
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Federated Dept Stores Wachovia Corporation
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General Electric Jefferson Pilot Corporation
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Scott Paper Co. R. J. Reynolds Industries Inc.
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American Petroleum Institute United States Steel Corp.
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Richardson Merril Inc. Metropolitan Life Insurance Co.
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May Department Stores Co. Norton-Simon Inc.
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Sperry Rand Corporation Stone-Webster Inc.
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San Salvador Development Company Standard Oil of Indiana



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Chart 4
** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence ** - - Published 1976

This chart shows the interlocks between the Federal Reserve Bank of New York J. Henry Schroder Banking Corp., J. Henry Schroder Trust Co., Rockefeller Center, Inc., Equitable Life Assurance Society ( J.P. Morgan), and the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston.


Alan Pifer, President
Carnegie Corporation
of New York
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Carnegie Corporation
Trustee Interlocks --------------------------
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Rockefeller Center, Inc J. Henry Schroder Trust Company
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The Cabot Corporation Paul Revere Investors, Inc.
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Federal Reserve Bank of Boston Qualpeco, Inc.
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Owens Corning Fiberglas
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New England Telephone Co.
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Fisher Scientific Company
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Mellon National Corporation
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Equitable Life Assurance Society
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Twentieth Century Fox Corporation
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J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation



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Chart 5
Source: ** Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence ** - - Published 1976

This chart shows the link between the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Brown Brothers Harriman,Sun Life Assurance Co. (N.M. Rothschild and Sons), and the Rockefeller Foundation.


Maurice F. Granville
Chairman of The Board
Texaco Incorporated
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Texaco Officer & Director Interlocks ---------- Liggett & Myers, Inc.
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L Arabian American Oil Company St John d'el Ray Mining Co. Ltd.
O | |
N Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. National Steel Corporation
D | |
O Brown Harriman & Intl' Banks Ltd. Massey-Ferguson Ltd.
N | |
American Express Mutual Life Insurance Co.
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N. American Express Intl' Banking Corp. Mass Mutual Income Investors Inc.
M. | |
Anaconda United Services Life Ins. Co.
R | |
O Rockefeller Foundation Fairchild Industries
T | |
H Owens-Corning Fiberglas Blount, Inc.
S | |
C National City Bank (Cleveland) William Wrigley Jr. Co
H | |
I Sun Life Assurance Co. National Blvd. Bank of Chicago
L | |
D General Reinsurance Lykes Youngstown Corporation
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General Electric (NBC) Inmount Corporation


** Source: Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence. Staff Report,Committee on Banking,Currency and Housing, House of Representatives, 94th Congress, 2nd Session, August 1976.

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