Existen brokers que prestan acciones a cambio de una comision: unos las piden prestadas para venderlas y otros para comprarlas asi que se equilibran (mas o menos)
Despues estan los creadores de mercado que dan liquidez aportando lo que nadie quiere aportar. A cambio claro, mueven a su antojo el mercado (tienen volumen para hacerlo)
Y despues estan las propias empresas que cuidan sus acciones, haciendo movimientos contra-corriente que mas tarde compensan poco a poco.

En el casino no todos son jugadores de un dia, los hay profesionales, algunos a pachas con el dueño

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Una pregunta Juan Carlos (bueno,puede contestar cualquiera), Al respecto del plan de Infraestructuras que se presentó el otro día por Fomento, y en el cual se van a movilizar 17.000 millones que serán prestados, y gastados estos dos años, hasta que en el 2014 el gobierno empiece a devolverlos, ¿crees que habrá problemas? ¿podrán disponer de ese dinero, o si nos metemos en una situación a la griega, los prestamistas no podrán disponer del dinero para prestarle al gobierno?

Me da a mi que el Plan de Fomento se va a quedar, por lo menos, con un cero de menos... Ya conocemos a estos politicos, prometen sabiendo de antemano que no podrán cumplir. La obra pública quedará prácticamente paralizada.

Sin embargo mirad a Griñán, en Andasulía.... este sí que sabe:
..."Cuarenta lámparas a 8.000 euros la pieza diseñadas por el arquitecto Erik Gunnar Asplund, mármol de Carrara… Griñán no ha ahorrado lujos en la remodelación del Palacio de San Telmo, de 22.000 metros cuadrados, y que se estrenará en septiembre. La mudanza de la Casa Rosa a San Telmo empezará en agosto. Las obras terminaron el pasado 25 de marzo."Así predica Griñán con la austeridad: 40 lámparas a 8.000€ la pieza y mármol de Carrara - elConfidencial.com

Decidme si no es para meterles una MEGANUKE de las de Aleph a toda esta clase política!!! Nos las van a pagar!!!

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Mirad lo que escribe Marc Vidal en el Confidencial:
"...Definitivamente está claro que consideran que somos tontos a las tres. Ahora resulta que todo este tinglado al que asistimos es producto de unos especuladores malos malísimos que están escondidos en vete tú a saber donde y que estaban esperando el momento justo para actuar y fastidiar a Leire Pajín y a su jefe. Hombre, me gustará ver la cara que se les va a poner cuando eso pase de verdad, que pasará, cuando un centenar de miles de millones de dólares como mínimo empiecen las apuestas a la baja y ésta se produzca sobre la deuda pública española, por poner una. Una economía débil es una presa perfecta para un hedge fund, pero lo que más asequible hace una economía es la inacción y la de nuestro ejecutivo y oposición, clase política en general, es de tal calibre que se nos van a merendar sin esfuerzo alguno. "Ya llega el chapapote griego - SALIDA DE EMERGENCIA - Cotizalia.com
Como dice Zpeta: NO DOY CRÉDITO, NO DOY CRÉDITO

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Me ha costado mucho ponerme al día. ¡Vaya como escribís!. A lo que iba: Pensaba que el fin de semana iba a ser para descansar, pero por lo que comentáis se juega gran parte de nuestro futuro en estos dos días. Y el futuro empieza el lunes. Así que seguiremos pendiente del "transistor". Hoy por la mañana he estado amargándole el día a varios de mis compañeros de trabajo y los he encontrado muy receptivos. Alguno va a mover los ahorros de una caja a un banco y diversificar riesgo. Al menos habrá servido de algo el haber perdido horas de sueño de la noche de ayer. Yo por desgracia no puedo sacarle mucho provecho, porque ahorros tengo pocos.

Buenas noches a todos y muchas gracias de nuevo.

PD: ¿Han participado alguna vez en alguna de las versiones de este hilo Animosa, Bobojista, Kierevelos, Lorca,....? Es que veo que siguen en su mundo de yupi como si siguiera importando si se venden 1 ó 1000 pisos. Lo peor que veo es que también hay muchos foreros que siguen pesando que la guerra está ahí y siguen entrando al trapo a las provocaciones broteverdistas, mientras nos se enteran de que va (ahora) todo esto.

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Muy bueno como siempre MV. Por cierto, habla claramente que los subnormales estos no saben lo que es un ataque de artilleria pesada de un Hehge founs. Ya van dos por hoy que aseguran que nos van a despellejar vivos, aleh en el hilo de JCB habla clarito sobre eso mismo. Solo queda rezar, para que la bola de mierda nos manche lo menos posible.

Tico ha sido injustamente baneado hasta el lunes por responder a los insultos de Davitin. Esta es la cuenta que utilizo hasta entonces.

Tico si que ha participado en estos hilos. Y la mayoría de los días le echa un vistazo a este hilo (sobre todo este fin de semana, lunes y martes lo voy a mirar porque nos jugamos mucho).

Tú no tienes ni un solo motivo para pensar que a Tico le preocupa que se vendan 1 o 1000 pisos. En cambio tienes toda clase de motivos para pensar justo lo contrario. Por tanto si lo piensas es debido a que estás trastornado.

Saludos a todos los que participan en este gran hilo (menos a ti).

¿es una broma verdad? Es que me parece extraño que te decidieras a corregir para, estoy casi seguro, equivocarte.

halla -> del verbo hallar (incorrecto)
hayga -> ¿es coña verdad? (incorrecto)
haya -> del verbo haber (correcto)

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More Expert Opinions On Economic Doom
Richard Russell (Market Expert)

(from 2/3/10) says the bear market rally is in the process of breaking up and panic is on the way. He sees a full correction of the entire rise from the 2002 low of 7,286 to the bull market high of 14,164.53 set on October 9, 2007. The halfway level of retracement was 10,725. The total retracement was to 6,547.05 on March 9, 2009. He now sees the Dow falling to 7,286 and if that level does not hold, “I see it sinking to its 1980-82 area low of Dow 1,000.” The current action is the worst he has ever seen. (Bob Chapman says for Russell to make such a startling statement is unusual because he never cries wolf and is almost never wrong)


Niño Becerra (Professor of Economics)
Predicted in July 2007 that what was going to happen was that by mid 2010 there is going to be a crisis only comparable to the one in 1929. From October 2009 to May 2010 people will begin to see things are not working out the way the government thought. In May of 2010, the crisis starts with all its force and continues and strengthens throughout 2011. He accurately predicted the current recession and market crash to the month.


Lyndon Larouche
The crisis is accelerating and will become worse week by week until the whole system grinds into a collapse, likely sometime this year. And when it does, it will be the greatest collapse since the fall of the Roman Empire.


WALL STREET JOURNAL- (2/2010)
"You are witnessing a fundamental breakdown of the American dream, a systemic breakdown of our democracy and our capitalism, a breakdown driven by the blind insatiable greed of Wall Street: Dys********al government, insane markets, economy on the brink. Multiply that many times over and see a world in total disarray. Ignore it now, tomorrow will be too late."


Eric deCarbonnel
There is no precedence for the panic and chaos that will occur in 2010. The global food supply/demand picture has NEVER been so out of balance. The 2010 food crisis will rearrange economic, financial, and political order of the world, and those who aren’t prepared will suffer terrible losses…As the dollar loses most of its value, America's savings will be wiped out. The US service economy will disintegrate as consumer spending in real terms (ie: gold or other stable currencies) drops like a rock, bringing unemployment to levels exceeding the great depression. Public health services/programs will be cut back, as individuals will have no savings/credit/income to pay for medical care. Value of most investments will be wiped out. The US debt markets will freeze again, this time permanently. There will be no buyers except at the most drastic of firesale prices, and inflation will wipe away value before credit markets have any chance at recovery. The panic in 2010 will see the majority of derivatives end up worthless. Since global derivatives markets operate on the assumption of the continued stable value of the dollar and short term US debt, using derivatives to bet against the dollar is NOT a good idea. The panic in 2010 will see the majority of derivatives end up worthless. The dollar's collapse will rob US consumers of all purchasing power, and any investment depend on US consumption will lose most of its value.


Alpha-Omega Report (Trends Forecast)
Going into 2010, the trends seemed to lead nowhere or towards oblivion. Geo-politically, the Middle East was and is trending towards some sort of military clash, most likely by mid-year, but perhaps sooner...At the moment, it seems 2010 is shaping up to be a year of absolute chaos. We see trends for war between Israel and her neighbors that will shake every facet of human activity...In the event of war, we see all other societal trends being thoroughly disrupted...Iran will most likely shut off the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf. This will have immense consequences for the world’s economy. Oil prices will skyrocket into the stratosphere and become so expensive that world’s economies will collapse..There are also trend indicators along economic lines that point to the potential for a total meltdown of the world’s financial system with major crisis points developing with the change of each quarter of the year. 2010 could be a meltdown year for the world’s economy, regardless of what goes on in the Middle East.


Robin Landry (Market Expert)
I believe we are headed to new market highs between 10780-11241 over the next few months. The most likely time frame for the top is the April-May area. Remember the evidence IMHO still says we are in a bear market rally with a major decline to follow once this rally ends.


John P. Hussman, Ph.D.
In my estimation, there is still close to an 80% probability (Bayes' Rule) that a second market plunge and economic downturn will unfold during 2010.


Robert Prechter
Founder of Elliott Wave International, implores retail investors stay away from the markets… for now. Prechter, who was bullish near the lows in March 2009, now says the stock market “is in a topping area.”predicting another crash in 2010 that will bring stocks below the 2009 low. His word to the wise, “be patient, don’t rush it” keep your money in cash and cash equivalents.


Richard Mogey
Current Research Director at the Foundation for the Study of Cycles- Because of a convergence of numerous cycles all at once, the stock market may go up for a little while, but will crash in 2010 and reach all-time lows late 2012. Mogey says that the 2008 crash was nothing compared to the coming crash. Gold may correct in 2009, but will go up in 2010 and peak in 2011. Silver will follow gold.


James Howard Kunstler (January 2010)
The economy as we’ve known it simply can’t go on, which James Howard Kunstler has been saying all along. The shenanigans with stimulus and bailouts will just compound the central problem with debt. There’s not much longer to go before the whole thing collapses and dies. Six Months to Live- The economy that is. Especially the part that consists of swapping paper certificates. That’s the buzz I’ve gotten the first two weeks of 2010.

Peter Schiff (3/13/2010)
"In my opinion, the market is now perfectly positioned for a massive dollar sell-off. The fundamentals for the dollar in 2010 are so much worse than they were in 2008 that it is hard to imagine a reason for people to keep buying once a modicum of political and monetary stability can be restored in Europe. In fact, the euro has recently stabilized. My gut is that the dollar sell-off will be sharp and swift. Once the dollar decisively breaks below last year's lows, many of the traders who jumped ship in the recent rally will look to re-establish their positions. This will accelerate the dollar's descent and refocus everyone's attention back on the financial train-wreck unfolding in the United States. Any doubts about the future of the U.S. dollar should be laid to rest by today's announcement that San Francisco Federal Reserve President Janet Yellen has been nominated to be Vice Chair of the Fed's Board of Governors, and thereby a voter on the interest rate-setting, seven-member Open Markets Committee. Ms. Yellen has earned a reputation for being one of the biggest inflation doves among the Fed's top players." Schiff is famous for his accurate predictions of the economic events of 2008.


Lindsey Williams
Dollar devalued 30-50% by end of year. It will become very difficult for the average American to afford to buy even food. This was revealed to him through an Illuminati insider.


Unnamed Economist working for US Gov't (GLP)
What we have experienced the last two years is nothing to what we are going to experience this year. If you have a job now...you may not have it in three to six months. (by August 2010). Stock market will fall = great depression. Foreign investors stop financing debt = collapse. 6.2 million are about to lose their unemployment.
If Only One Forecast Came True?
Bob Chapman
First 6 months of 2010, Americans will continue to live in the 'unreality'...the period between July and October is when the financial fireworks will begin. The Fed will act unilaterally for its own survival irrespective of any political implications ...(source is from insider at FED meetings). In the last quarter of the year we could even see Martial law, which is more likely for the first 6 months of 2011. The FDIC will collapse in September 2010. Commercial real estate is set to implode in 2010. Wall Street believes there is a 100% chance of crash in bond market, especially municipals sometime during 2010. The dollar will be devalued by the end of 2010.


Gerald Celente
Terrorist attacks and the "Crash of 2010". 40% devaluation at first = the greatest depression, worse than the Great Depression.


Igor Panarin
In the summer of 1998, based on classified data about the state of the U.S. economy and society supplied to him by fellow FAPSI analysts, Panarin forecast the probable disintegration of the USA into six parts in 2010 (at the end of June – start of July 2010, as he specified on 10 December 2000

Neithercorps
Have projected that the third and final stage of the economic collapse will begin sometime in 2010. Barring some kind of financial miracle, or the complete dissolution of the Federal Reserve, a snowballing implosion should become visible by the end of this year. The behavior of the Fed, along with that of the IMF seems to suggest that they are preparing for a focused collapse, peaking within weeks or months instead of years, and the most certain fall of the dollar.


Webbots
July and onward things get very strange. Revolution. Dollar dead by November 2010.


LEAP 20/20
2010 Outlook from a group of 25 European Economists with a 90% accuracy rating- We anticipate a sudden intensification of the crisis in the second half of 2010, caused by a double effect of a catching up of events which were temporarily « frozen » in the second half of 2009 and the impossibility of maintaining the palliative remedies of past years. There is a perfect (economic) storm coming within the global financial markets and inevitable pressure on interest rates in the U.S. The injection of zero-cost money into the Western banking system has failed to restart the economy. Despite zero-cost money, the system has stalled. It is slowly rolling over into the next big down wave, which in Elliott Wave terminology will be Super Cycle Wave Three, or in common language, "THE BIG ONE, WHERE WE ALL GO OVER THE FALLS TOGETHER."


Joseph Meyer
Forecasts on the economy. He sees the real estate market continuing to decline, and advised people to invest in precious metals and commodities, as well as keeping cash at home in a safe place in case of bank closures. The stock market, after peaking in March or April (around 10,850), will fall all the way down to somewhere between 2450 and 4125 during the next leg down.


Harry Dent (investor)
A very likely second crash by late 2010. The coming depression (starts around the summer of 2010). Dent sees the stock market--currently benefiting from upward momentum and peppier economic activity--headed for a very brief and pleasant run that could lift the Dow to the 10,700-11,500 range from its current level of about 10.090. But then, he sees the market running into a stone wall, which will be followed by a nasty stock market decline (starting in early March to late April) that could drive down the Dow later this year to 3,000-5,000, with his best guess about 3,800.

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Tal y como se están precipitando los acontecimientos, lo más probable es que ese plan jamás se lleve a cabo.

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