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Antiguo 17-dic-2005, 04:27
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"Toni" <aa@bb.cc> wrote in message news:dngqa6$77o$1@inews.gazeta .pl...

> Es decir, un 50,1% tiene como lengua habitual el catalán, y el 30,2% tiene
> como lengua habitual el castellano.


> Fíjate también, como dato curioso, como el uso habitual del catalán
> aumenta 12 puntos respecto con los amigos y compañeros, al pasar 36,7%
> hasta un 48,4% en los bancos, médicos, grandes establecimientos y pequeño
> comercio.



The MISUSE of Butifarran Cocoliche is growing, and growing, and growing
among Charnego children. One thing you will not find any well-informed
advocate of compulsory immersion programs is that children graduate from
school with the level of Butifarran Cocoliche necessary to genuinely live in
the language and compete with Polakos at the University and other high level
cultural arenas.

They usually graduate with better Cocoliche skills than their parents but
they are not at all comparable to native speakers.
The Polako ikastolas are producing a generation of Charnego dummies (que no
saben hacer ni la o con un canuto, I may add)

One paper I remember reading on the subject of Inmersion showed that a
minority of Ontario French immersion graduates did ultimately develop real
French fluency. Most did not.

Other studies show that children in Immersion programs can develop fairly
good passive comprehension skills in Butifarran Cocoliche but that fluent
speech and writing rarely develop.

Why, then, isn't Butifarran Cocoliche immersion a scandal instead of being
tolerated bu a large segment of the Charnego community? Well, first,
neither the parents nor the students are usually readily able to judge the
language skills taught in immersion. They may think they have quite good
Butifarran skills, but parents are comparing themselves to their
children.The Polako Cheneralidaz has scared Charnego parents with the fear
that their children won't find a job if they are not fluent in Butifarran
Cocoliche. Needless to say they difficulties in these jobs for a person not
fluent in Cocoliche are caused by the redtape introduced by the Cheneralidaz
itself, with tons and tons of petty regulations demanding that every fart
in Catalonia has to sound absolutely Butifarran.

Therefore, thousands of Castilian-speaking children's overall educational
outomes are harmed, and immersion schools are producing swarms of
semi-illiiterate graduates in both Castilian and Cocoliche and who are
flunking out of university. To send children to schools where 99.99 % of
the time is spent in Butifarran Cocoliche classes for as much as 12 years
and still not produce fully functional Cocoliche speakers does not incline
me to think highly of the efficacy of Butifarran immersion programs in
Catalonia. Most kids don't learn very much in school anyway, but this
screwing of the minds of a whole generation of children is fucking too
much.

But I think the most important factor for the presence of compulsory
immersion ikastolas of Catalonia is social pressure and propaganda. Nobody
dares to complain because would be immediatly outcasted as "Francoist".
Apparently the Castilian language was Franco's invention, what a genius! So
many people with position of power in Catalonia so strongly identify their
ethnic bullshitn and a policy of Butifarran monolinguism, that their
bigottry keeps the immersion programmes going. Maragall stated once that the
Butifarran Cocoliche is the DNA of Polakos. The immersion program serves
an important political purpose. In a nation with very little militarism,
Catalan immersion substitutes for sending your young ones off into military
service as a demonstration of nationalist pride.

Charnego parents believe that they are doing the right thing for their
children by sending them to public immersion schools, instead of sending
them to an expensive provate school where the children could get lectures
in Castilian and aquire a REAL education. They don't kow they are being
brainwashed and a entire generation of secondclass Charnego citizens is
being created. Scholastic achievement of Charnego children in the public
schools of Catalonia is one of the worse in the entire World.

Saludos
DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR





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Antiguo 17-dic-2005, 15:32
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"Gurriato" <patanegra@netnitco.net> wrote in message
news:2IednUsQ45XsGD7eRVn-sA@netnitco.net...
>
>
> The MISUSE of Butifarran Cocoliche is growing, and growing, and growing
> among Charnego children. One thing you will not find any well-informed
> advocate of compulsory immersion programs is that children graduate from
> school with the level of Butifarran Cocoliche necessary to genuinely live
> in the language and compete with Polakos at the University and other high
> level cultural arenas.
>


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abo navit' v cilim rozdili vono mozhe maty jakes' znachinnia.Vono vyh-
ladaje jak xtos' na osnovi jidish zbuduvav rechennia.
hacken je hachok,mir je meni,chaynik je take v chim chaj varyty,
a razom to je nichoho

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going to eat. And usually these girls are not fat. They're normal size
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Antiguo 17-dic-2005, 19:03
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The Castilian people does not want to give the independence to
Galicia, Wask Country (Basque Country) and Navarra, Catalonia, Valence,
Balearics and Canaries.


The Castilian people obligate compulsorily to learn the Castilian
language.








Gurriato wrote:
> "Toni" <aa@bb.cc> wrote in message news:dngqa6$77o$1@inews.gazeta .pl...
>
>
>>Es decir, un 50,1% tiene como lengua habitual el catalán, y el 30,2% tiene
>>como lengua habitual el castellano.

>
>
>>Fíjate también, como dato curioso, como el uso habitual del catalán
>>aumenta 12 puntos respecto con los amigos y compañeros, al pasar 36,7%
>>hasta un 48,4% en los bancos, médicos, grandes establecimientos y pequeño
>>comercio.

>
>
>
> The MISUSE of Butifarran Cocoliche is growing, and growing, and growing
> among Charnego children. One thing you will not find any well-informed
> advocate of compulsory immersion programs is that children graduate from
> school with the level of Butifarran Cocoliche necessary to genuinely live in
> the language and compete with Polakos at the University and other high level
> cultural arenas.
>
> They usually graduate with better Cocoliche skills than their parents but
> they are not at all comparable to native speakers.
> The Polako ikastolas are producing a generation of Charnego dummies (que no
> saben hacer ni la o con un canuto, I may add)
>
> One paper I remember reading on the subject of Inmersion showed that a
> minority of Ontario French immersion graduates did ultimately develop real
> French fluency. Most did not.
>
> Other studies show that children in Immersion programs can develop fairly
> good passive comprehension skills in Butifarran Cocoliche but that fluent
> speech and writing rarely develop.
>
> Why, then, isn't Butifarran Cocoliche immersion a scandal instead of being
> tolerated bu a large segment of the Charnego community? Well, first,
> neither the parents nor the students are usually readily able to judge the
> language skills taught in immersion. They may think they have quite good
> Butifarran skills, but parents are comparing themselves to their
> children.The Polako Cheneralidaz has scared Charnego parents with the fear
> that their children won't find a job if they are not fluent in Butifarran
> Cocoliche. Needless to say they difficulties in these jobs for a person not
> fluent in Cocoliche are caused by the redtape introduced by the Cheneralidaz
> itself, with tons and tons of petty regulations demanding that every fart
> in Catalonia has to sound absolutely Butifarran.
>
> Therefore, thousands of Castilian-speaking children's overall educational
> outomes are harmed, and immersion schools are producing swarms of
> semi-illiiterate graduates in both Castilian and Cocoliche and who are
> flunking out of university. To send children to schools where 99.99 % of
> the time is spent in Butifarran Cocoliche classes for as much as 12 years
> and still not produce fully functional Cocoliche speakers does not incline
> me to think highly of the efficacy of Butifarran immersion programs in
> Catalonia. Most kids don't learn very much in school anyway, but this
> screwing of the minds of a whole generation of children is fucking too
> much.
>
> But I think the most important factor for the presence of compulsory
> immersion ikastolas of Catalonia is social pressure and propaganda. Nobody
> dares to complain because would be immediatly outcasted as "Francoist".
> Apparently the Castilian language was Franco's invention, what a genius! So
> many people with position of power in Catalonia so strongly identify their
> ethnic bullshitn and a policy of Butifarran monolinguism, that their
> bigottry keeps the immersion programmes going. Maragall stated once that the
> Butifarran Cocoliche is the DNA of Polakos. The immersion program serves
> an important political purpose. In a nation with very little militarism,
> Catalan immersion substitutes for sending your young ones off into military
> service as a demonstration of nationalist pride.
>
> Charnego parents believe that they are doing the right thing for their
> children by sending them to public immersion schools, instead of sending
> them to an expensive provate school where the children could get lectures
> in Castilian and aquire a REAL education. They don't kow they are being
> brainwashed and a entire generation of secondclass Charnego citizens is
> being created. Scholastic achievement of Charnego children in the public
> schools of Catalonia is one of the worse in the entire World.
>
> Saludos
> DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
>
>
>



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Antiguo 17-dic-2005, 19:27
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"Españuelo" <espanuelo@senseterra.com> wrote in message
news:40iumlF1akp4nU3@individua l.net...

> The Castilian people does not want to give the independence to Galicia,
> Wask Country (Basque Country) and Navarra, Catalonia, Valence, Balearics
> and Canaries.
>
>
> The Castilian people obligate compulsorily to learn the Castilian
> language.


Bullshit.

This sort of nonsense is usually uttered without a droplet of irony by who
consider themselves strident antifrancoists
Such utterances are usually considered somewhat ballsy and heroic, as if
David had slung a two pound rock at Goliath's bullying forehead.

In their putsh to redress imaginary past grievances, the Charnego-bashers
will expund endlessly about Castilian oppression while ignoring some
very umpleasant realities about modern-day Catalonia. Ethnic hysteria is
everywhere, but you will not hear a word about the abuse of the
Castilian-speaking proletariat of Catalonia. Castilian-speaking children are
denied education in their language, at all educational levels, from primary
school all the way to the university. Civil "servants" of the Catalonian
Generalitat fine humongous amounts of mulah if a shopkeeper dares to put a
sign in Castilian in his shop. An extensive network of offices have been set
in Catalonia for the anonimous accusations of Castilan-speaking people who
do not obey the abusive quotas and immersions of Butifarran ethnic biggots.
A private radio station can be fined up to 90.000 euros for broadcasting its
programs in Castilian. Catalonia is a totalitarian ethnic dictatorship, and
nevertheless these tyrannical bastards depict themselves as some sort of
poor victims.

There is no shortage of socio-illogical alibis for Catalonia's aberrants
acts. To justifie the ideological Anschluss against opressed Charnegos
(65% of the population) one would have to establish that these mostly
bluecollar immigrants wield an unholy degree of power. As I have argued for
years, the only true fascists are people with the power systematically
to opress others. And this is where the pseudo-kikuyu pundits and
Butifarran babblers fail in their assault on Castilian language and
culture.

Most corporate executives and most people in positions of power are
Catalans who enriched themselves during the Franco's era exploiting the
Charnego workers. They simmultaneously depict Charnego trash to be as dumb
as oak sap, yet able to pull off some sort of conspiracy to keep the
Botifarran patois as a worthless, irrelevant vehicle of communication. They
flimsily assert that people living in barrios rotten with "aluminosis"
somehow have a chokehold on the pipelines of Botifarran "cultureta".
Castilian speaking people are portrayed as the embodiment of power, when
the only time you see a Charnego interacting with a Botifarran person is
when the boss barks down at him in the factory.

The Charnegos should denonce this ethnic abuse at the high levels of the
European Community and other international arenas. Fines, compulsory
cultural inddoctrinations, quotas, forced immertions, etc on basis of your
ethnic background are intolerable in democratic societies.

GURRIATO




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Antiguo 17-dic-2005, 22:47
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En/na Gurriato ha escrit:

> Catalonia is not above the law. Catalonia does not have jurisditional
> powers to abolish the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The
> Generalitat of Catalonia is an il·licit government because is not
> fulfilling its constitutional role with its refusal to protect the
> half of its population being persecuted and with its its tolerance
> to the growing mistreatment of Spanish-speaking citizens for linguist
> or cultural reasons. The fines being imposed on Catalan merchants
> who post their signs in Spanish are against the principles clearly
> stated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Spanish
> Constitution.


So, if Calalunya has breached the law as you state, why the Army hasn't
send yet any military forces as the Constitution permits?

> In Catalonia Spanish-speaking parents cannot send their children to
> school (from nursery all the way through university) in their native
> language; those who want to school their children in Catalan can.
> This is discrimination a touch more serious than that of Catalan
> merchants unable to put up signs in Spanish.


That's untrue, and you know it very well. You complain about catalan
victimism but you're doing the same thing.

> How long will the Spanish-speaking community of Catalonia (65% of
> the total population) tolerate Pujol's discriminatory policy, the
> model for everything that has come since? How far will this community
> extend his servitude to fascist linguistic policy of social
> engineering to yesterday's CiU and today's Tri-party, which
> discriminates against half the population from cradle to grave?


You lie again. 100% of Catalonia population speak Spanish by law, but
not every single person living here speaks Catalan. So how you dare to
say that Spanish is prosecuted?

> The ethnofascist Generalitat should not fool itself, the current
> dictatorial linguistic oppresion cannot go on. It spurs local
> despotism which leads to abyect discrimmination against Spanish
> speakers of Catalonia. It is time to put up a fight by all necessary
> means.


You get mad if someone speaks Catalan. I get sad when I see almost
everybody speaks me Spanish as they don't know my native language in my
native land.

Keep the guns off your hands ;-)

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Antiguo 17-dic-2005, 23:48
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"Eloi [entfe001]" <gmail@entfe001.invalid> wrote in message
news:43a48770_2@x-privat.org...

> En/na Gurriato ha escrit:
>
>> Catalonia is not above the law. Catalonia does not have jurisditional
>> powers to abolish the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The
>> Generalitat of Catalonia is an il·licit government because is not
>> fulfilling its constitutional role with its refusal to protect the
>> half of its population being persecuted and with its its tolerance
>> to the growing mistreatment of Spanish-speaking citizens for linguist
>> or cultural reasons. The fines being imposed on Catalan merchants
>> who post their signs in Spanish are against the principles clearly
>> stated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Spanish
>> Constitution.

>
> So, if Calalunya has breached the law as you state, why the Army hasn't
> send yet any military forces as the Constitution permits?
>
>> In Catalonia Spanish-speaking parents cannot send their children to
>> school (from nursery all the way through university) in their native
>> language; those who want to school their children in Catalan can.
>> This is discrimination a touch more serious than that of Catalan
>> merchants unable to put up signs in Spanish.

>
> That's untrue, and you know it very well. You complain about catalan
> victimism but you're doing the same thing.



You are a fucking liar.

Recently the Catalan PP has demanded that the Generalitat's commerce
counselor Josep Huguet explain before the regional parlaiment why the number
of legal actions taken against Catalan businesses that only use the Spanish
language has increased by 400% in the last six months. The Generalitat is
Catalonia's autonomous regional government, and Huguet is a member of the
radical separatist party ERC, the Republican Left of Catalonia. In recent
months, the number of mostly anonymous accusations against and official
inspections of businesses that use Spanish has skyrocketed. The PP asked
Huguet for the exact figures; his department has received more than one
thousand denunciations in the last six months against businesses that do not
conform to a 1998 law that obliges businesses to serve clients using Catalan
and to have signs and information in that language. The head of linguistic
policy, Carme Laura Gil, defended the increase in legal sanctions "because
they enforce a law that defends consumers. It is not a measure against
businesses, but rather it defends the right of the consumer to be served in
his own language."

If you don't like the language spoken in a shop or restaurant, go to another
one, you son of a bitch, and leave Spanish speaking people alone.

And not only that, the Generalitat has a policy of discrimination against
Spanish speaking children in public schools and is trying to treat to
erradicate the Castilian language it as an unwanted foreign language. In a
missive sent to all schools in Tarragona province, the Generalitat's
education department said, "Using Spanish hurts the students' social
cohesion," and warned that inspectors would be sent to watch teachers. The
missive established "the labor obligation of teaching staff of the
Generalitat of Catalonia to do their work in Catalan." It continues,
"Catalan must be the language of internal and external use in schools in the
oral and written expression of the teachers and in their administrative
duties."

It is intolerable for this bunch of hysterical Butifarreros to prohibit
Spanish not only in class, but also in the conversations of teachers with
parents, on school playgrounds, and even in conversations with students who
just arrived here.

>> How long will the Spanish-speaking community of Catalonia (65% of
>> the total population) tolerate Pujol's discriminatory policy, the
>> model for everything that has come since? How far will this community
>> extend his servitude to fascist linguistic policy of social
>> engineering to yesterday's CiU and today's Tri-party, which
>> discriminates against half the population from cradle to grave?

>
> You lie again. 100% of Catalonia population speak Spanish by law, but
> not every single person living here speaks Catalan. So how you dare to
> say that Spanish is prosecuted?


Exactly: 100 % of the population speaks Spanish and therefore it is absurd
that a private radio station gets a humongous fine for broadcasting its
programs in this language. The Botifarran Brahmins want to change the choice
of language with quotas, fines and forced cultural indoctrination. This is a
bizarre attempt ef social engineering against the individual rights of the
citizens of Catalonia. They call this tyrannical bullshit "normalizing" the
country.

Normalize your ass, you totalitarian bastards!

>> The ethnofascist Generalitat should not fool itself, the current
>> dictatorial linguistic oppresion cannot go on. It spurs local
>> despotism which leads to abyect discrimmination against Spanish
>> speakers of Catalonia. It is time to put up a fight by all necessary
>> means.

>
> You get mad if someone speaks Catalan. I get sad when I see almost
> everybody speaks me Spanish as they don't know my native language in my
> native land.


Fuck you. You are a totalitarian ethnic biggot.
Take your goddamned Botifarran patois and shovel it up your ass. We are up
to the gills with your hysterical ethnocentric bullshit and the
balkanization of a nation into petty ridiculous tribes.

> Keep the guns off your hands


Keep your dick off el coño de tu puta madre, caciquillo de mierda. Ya habeis
dado por el culo a la gente durante demasiado tiempo con vuestras monsergas.

Ya va siendo hora de plantar cara a esas canalladas y dejarse de servilismos
cobardes.

DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR




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Antiguo 18-dic-2005, 08:04
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Con esta sarta de insultos multilinguales, lo que va a conseguir Mr.
Gurriato es que "all the world" tome conciencia del "talante" de los
defensores del tripartito catalán.

Sigue así, Gurriato,m defendiendo tu postura con argumentos internacionales.
Lo estas haciendo muy bien.


"
>
> Fuck you. You are a totalitarian ethnic biggot.
> Take your goddamned Botifarran patois and shovel it up your ass. We are up
> to the gills with your hysterical ethnocentric bullshit and the
> balkanization of a nation into petty ridiculous tribes.
>
>> Keep the guns off your hands

>
> Keep your dick off el coño de tu puta madre, caciquillo de mierda. Ya
> habeis dado por el culo a la gente durante demasiado tiempo con vuestras
> monsergas.
>
> Ya va siendo hora de plantar cara a esas canalladas y dejarse de
> servilismos cobardes.
>
> DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
>
>





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Antiguo 18-dic-2005, 18:27
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Españuelo <espanuelo@senseterra.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
3vr9jtF17e19cU1@individual.net...
> Aquilino wrote:
> > Xavier:
> >
> > "Xavier Llobet" <Xavier.Lloobet@epfl.ch> escribió en el mensaje
> > newsavier.Lloobet-7293C1.08480808122005@sicinfo. epfl.ch...
> >
> >>In article <rJJlf.266381$E72.2457248@tele news.teleline.es>,
> >>"Aquilino" <a.moorcillo@iies.es> wrote:

> >
> > .............................. .............................. .........>
> >
> >>>la existencia de una Nación FEDERAL que denominaron los EE.UU. de
> >>>América. Y
> >>>en un Estado federal, el derecho emanado de la nación prevalece sobre

el
> >>>de
> >>>los territorios de la misma. Y cuando esto se puso en duda en 1861-65,
> >>>sobre si
> >>>la soberanía era de la Nación federal o de los Estados agrupados en
> >>>Confederación, el resultado fue una guerra civil de cuatro años con
> >>>617.000
> >>>muertos, que confirmó la primera opción.

> >
> >
> >
> >>O sea, no prevaleció la fuerza de la razón, sino la razón de la fuerza
> >>:-)

> >
> >
> >
> > Según los parmetros democráticos no parece ser así. Los Unionistas (que
> > interpretaban la Constitución como Federal, eran 22 millones de

personas,
> > mientras que los Confederados (que interpretaban que el Régimen era el

de la
> > Declaración de la Independencia, o confederal), eran 9 millones, entre

los
> > que se encontraban 4 millones de esclavos.

>
> El conflicte fou degud a que eran dos mons distints i que estavan en
> process de efectuar la industrialisation.
> El Sud si volia entrar dins aquest process de la industrialisation
> havia de desfer-se i enviar aquests esclaus a son origen.
> Una vegada que guanyià el Nord, tots els esclaus no foren enviads a
> son origen.
> El problema per resoldre seria separar el Sud i el Nord i tornar els
> esclaus (descendents) a son origen.
>


Y una vez de devueltos devolver sus amos (descendientes) a su origen.

Y si la cosa se para ahí, resultaría que La Florida y La Luisiana serían
españolas (borbónicas)




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Antiguo 18-dic-2005, 19:33
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The Castilian people (incorrectly known as Spaniard or Spanish) obligate
compulsorily to learn and speak and write the Castilian language under
arrests and penalties.


Gurriato wrote:
> "Españuelo" <espanuelo@senseterra.com> wrote in message
> news:40iumlF1akp4nU3@individua l.net...
>
>
>> The Castilian people does not want to give the independence to Galicia,
>>Wask Country (Basque Country) and Navarra, Catalonia, Valence, Balearics
>>and Canaries.
>>
>>
>> The Castilian people obligate compulsorily to learn the Castilian
>>language.

>
>
> Bullshit.
>
> This sort of nonsense is usually uttered without a droplet of irony by who
> consider themselves strident antifrancoists
> Such utterances are usually considered somewhat ballsy and heroic, as if
> David had slung a two pound rock at Goliath's bullying forehead.
>
> In their putsh to redress imaginary past grievances, the Charnego-bashers
> will expund endlessly about Castilian oppression while ignoring some
> very umpleasant realities about modern-day Catalonia. Ethnic hysteria is
> everywhere, but you will not hear a word about the abuse of the
> Castilian-speaking proletariat of Catalonia. Castilian-speaking children are
> denied education in their language, at all educational levels, from primary
> school all the way to the university. Civil "servants" of the Catalonian
> Generalitat fine humongous amounts of mulah if a shopkeeper dares to put a
> sign in Castilian in his shop. An extensive network of offices have been set
> in Catalonia for the anonimous accusations of Castilan-speaking people who
> do not obey the abusive quotas and immersions of Butifarran ethnic biggots.
> A private radio station can be fined up to 90.000 euros for broadcasting its
> programs in Castilian. Catalonia is a totalitarian ethnic dictatorship, and
> nevertheless these tyrannical bastards depict themselves as some sort of
> poor victims.
>
> There is no shortage of socio-illogical alibis for Catalonia's aberrants
> acts. To justifie the ideological Anschluss against opressed Charnegos
> (65% of the population) one would have to establish that these mostly
> bluecollar immigrants wield an unholy degree of power. As I have argued for
> years, the only true fascists are people with the power systematically
> to opress others. And this is where the pseudo-kikuyu pundits and
> Butifarran babblers fail in their assault on Castilian language and
> culture.
>
> Most corporate executives and most people in positions of power are
> Catalans who enriched themselves during the Franco's era exploiting the
> Charnego workers. They simmultaneously depict Charnego trash to be as dumb
> as oak sap, yet able to pull off some sort of conspiracy to keep the
> Botifarran patois as a worthless, irrelevant vehicle of communication. They
> flimsily assert that people living in barrios rotten with "aluminosis"
> somehow have a chokehold on the pipelines of Botifarran "cultureta".
> Castilian speaking people are portrayed as the embodiment of power, when
> the only time you see a Charnego interacting with a Botifarran person is
> when the boss barks down at him in the factory.
>
> The Charnegos should denonce this ethnic abuse at the high levels of the
> European Community and other international arenas. Fines, compulsory
> cultural inddoctrinations, quotas, forced immertions, etc on basis of your
> ethnic background are intolerable in democratic societies.
>
> GURRIATO
>
>



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Antiguo 18-dic-2005, 19:55
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Inapetente wrote:
> Españuelo <espanuelo@senseterra.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> 3vr9jtF17e19cU1@individual.net...
>
>>Aquilino wrote:
>>
>>>Xavier:
>>>
>>>"Xavier Llobet" <Xavier.Lloobet@epfl.ch> escribió en el mensaje
>>>newsavier.Lloobet-7293C1.08480808122005@sicinfo. epfl.ch...
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <rJJlf.266381$E72.2457248@tele news.teleline.es>,
>>>>"Aquilino" <a.moorcillo@iies.es> wrote:
>>>
>>>........................... .............................. ............>
>>>
>>>>>la existencia de una Nación FEDERAL que denominaron los EE.UU. de
>>>>>América. Y
>>>>>en un Estado federal, el derecho emanado de la nación prevalece sobre

>
> el
>
>>>>>de
>>>>>los territorios de la misma. Y cuando esto se puso en duda en 1861-65,
>>>>>sobre si
>>>>>la soberanía era de la Nación federal o de los Estados agrupados en
>>>>>Confederación, el resultado fue una guerra civil de cuatro años con
>>>>>617.000
>>>>>muertos, que confirmó la primera opción.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>O sea, no prevaleció la fuerza de la razón, sino la razón de la fuerza
>>>>:-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Según los parmetros democráticos no parece ser así. Los Unionistas (que
>>>interpretaban la Constitución como Federal, eran 22 millones de

>
> personas,
>
>>>mientras que los Confederados (que interpretaban que el Régimen era el

>
> de la
>
>>>Declaración de la Independencia, o confederal), eran 9 millones, entre

>
> los
>
>>>que se encontraban 4 millones de esclavos.

>>
>> El conflicte fou degud a que eran dos mons distints i que estavan en
>>process de efectuar la industrialisation.
>> El Sud si volia entrar dins aquest process de la industrialisation
>>havia de desfer-se i enviar aquests esclaus a son origen.
>> Una vegada que guanyià el Nord, tots els esclaus no foren enviads a
>>son origen.
>> El problema per resoldre seria separar el Sud i el Nord i tornar els
>>esclaus (descendents) a son origen.
>>

>
>
> Y una vez de devueltos devolver sus amos (descendientes) a su origen.
>
> Y si la cosa se para ahí, resultaría que La Florida y La Luisiana serían
> españolas (borbónicas)
>
>



Els esclaus eran negres, se havian de tornar o se tornan a la
Africa equatorial, i de pass els amos, bassura blanca (white trash), si
no se portan bé també amb els negres a Africa.

La Florida, Luisina i la major part de la Confederation eran i són
part del tercer món, on no se ha produïd la industrialisation.










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