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Llevamos hablando de ello unas semanas, y me parece que ya va siendo hora de crear un hilo oficial sobre Hugh, para que la información no quede dispersa por el foro.
Si Hugh está en lo cierto, seguro que este hilo será uno de los importantes de burbuja.info, y sino, caerá en las profundidades del foro para siempre.

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Edward Hugh es un macroeconomista especializado en teoría del crecimiento y de la productividad, los procesos demográficos y su impacto en el conjunto de la economía, así como en la dinámica subyacente a los flujos migratorios. Radicado en Barcelona, desarrolla una investigación sobre envejecimiento, longevidad y migración, así como sobre el impacto de todos esos parámetros en el crecimiento económico. Actualmente, trabaja en un libro provisionalmente titulado: Población, ¿el último recurso no-renovable? Colabora regularmente en publicaciones como Euro Watch y en la página Global Macro EconoMonitor dirigida por Nouriel Roubini, y sigue de cerca las economías de India, Italia, España, Alemania y Japón.

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Suele postear en Facebook comentarios breves, casi siempre en inglés y alguna vez en catalán.
Es pesimista con el futuro de nuestra economía y no tiene pelos en la lengua para llamar a las cosas por su nombre, siempre manteniendo una educación exquisita.

El informe de Variant, que tanto revuelo ha ocasionado, bebe de sus opiniones.

Aquí dejo su último comentario:


This article in today's Cotizalia asks the very interesting and pertinent question - just how typical was La Caja Castilla La Mancha - since their bad debt rate has gone up from 9.23% in December (before intervention) to 17.33% in June (after th...e government auditors went through the books). 31.6% vof their loans to property developers are now in default (up from 16.77% in Dec) and 20.94% of their corporate loans.

Y el artículo al que se refiere, de McCoy:


Los "borrachos" de la CCM, ¿los únicos que dicen la verdad?

cajas de ahorro, CCM, morosidad

@S. McCoy - 07/09/2009

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Sostiene el acervo popular que sólo los borrachos y los locos dicen la verdad. La utilización corriente de tal expresión hace referencia a dos situaciones principales: la revelación de un secreto desconocido para la gran mayoría de los que lo oyen, lo que genera estupefacción y asombro a partes iguales, o la promulgación de una verdad obvia pero inconveniente que sólo alguien que no esté en pleno dominio de sus facultades mentales se atreve a pronunciar, provocando así que la mayoría de la audiencia trate cuanto antes de someter tal salida del guión al curso corriente de las cosas. Hoy vamos a tratar de este último supuesto.

Dentro del panorama bancario español, CCM se ha convertido en ese personaje incómodo equivalente al loco o al borracho que, a través de sus cuentas trimestrales, se encarga de recordar al conjunto del sector cuál es su realidad implícita, toda vez que su cobijo bajo el paraguas de la Administración provoca que no incurra en las dudosas prácticas de la patada a seguir en las que están inmersos gran parte de sus competidores. Ni hay adjudicaciones masivas de activos inmobiliarios, ni tasaciones irreales, ni refinanciaciones imposibles, ni creación de sociedades aparcamiento fuera de balance a ver si cuela. La verdad cruda y dura, sin aderezos de ningún tipo. O, al menos, eso se supone. Y, ¿qué es lo que nos dicen los orates (pedazo de palabra de crucigrama) de la caja castellano manchega?

Pues nos cuentan, ni más ni menos, que la morosidad de la entidad ha pasado de diciembre del año pasado a junio de este año del 9,32% al 17,33%; es decir, que prácticamente ha doblado en seis meses. Que uno de cada tres créditos a promotores están en mora tras pasar en el mismo periodo del 16,77% al 31,36%; que una quinta parte de su financiación empresarial está incursa en la misma situación (del 11,27% al 20,94%), que los activos dudosos sin garantía real se han multiplicado por cuatro en 120 días (3,47% al 13,86%) y que la mora de las hipotecas sigue por debajo del 3% (del 1,5% al 3%) lo que permite que la cifra final no sea aún más escandalosa. La tasa de cobertura se encuentra ligeramente por debajo del 30%.

Es verdad que se podrá argüir, como reconocen los propios administradores, que el mix de negocio de la caja, al calor de las operaciones cuando menos dudosas acometidas por sus anteriores gestores, era especialmente malo con un peso sustancial del crédito promotor (40% del concedido) y de unas aventuras empresariales de cuestionable viabilidad. Obviamente, no voy a ser yo quien niegue la mayor. Pero ¿tanto como para que su morosidad triplique a la del conjunto del sector? Pocas entidades se libran del pecado de su contribución financiera a la burbuja inmobiliaria, en mayor o menor grado; no creo que la prudencia haya sido la máxima principal a la hora de conceder dinero a empresas ligadas al ladrillo o al ciclo infinito de crecimiento que aguardaba a nuestro país; ni pienso que la caja haya sido excesivamente agresiva en la financiación al consumo, la verdad. Aún aplicando un coeficiente corrector, resulta difícil creer que la mora real de muchas entidades, sin triquiñuelas contables y operativas, no se encuentre ya por encima del 10% al calor de las cifras que citamos en el párrafo anterior.

En la intervención de CCM ha habido muchos errores que van desde el absurdo que supone en un mercado globalizado como el actual el tratar el problema de la supervivencia de una entidad de un modo individual hasta la generación de lo que algunos directivos bancarios han dado en llamar dinámicas competitivas negativas, sobre todo por lo que a la captación del pasivo se refiere, depósitos sobrepagados y compensación del riesgo moral por la vía de las recompras a la par de participaciones preferentes. Es muy cuestionable, en efecto, que uno de los objetivos de la nueva CCM sea “la retención y captación de pasivo minorista” con la garantía estatal detrás lo que se traduce en una reducción del margen de intereses aún en el entorno actual de curva de tipos que está haciendo que la mayoría de las entidades se forren.

Pero, dicho esto, hay que reconocer que la visión sectorial que aporta es impagable. Se trata de la única sociedad capaz de proclamar, a voz en grito, que el rey está desnudo. Sin embargo, tanto gobierno como Banco de España y asociaciones sectoriales, prefieren mantenerse en su falsa inopia en la creencia de que, como el coste de financiación es, gracias a la masiva intervención de los bancos centrales, irrisorio comparado con 1993, si el ciclo repite su esquema temporal el impacto sobre sus cuentas será mucho más limitado que entonces. Sin embargo, la pregunta cuya respuesta “is blowing in the air” es ¿por qué no se aplican los criterios de CCM al resto de las firmas financieras españolas, verdadero stress test? Y, si se hiciera, ¿cuál sería el resultado? Se admiten apuestas. Buena semana a todos.

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Edward posteó hace unos días una serie de gráficos sobre la evolución de la economía española. Como son temas en general bastante debatidos en el foro no los posteo, pero veamos los comentarios:

Primero este Sr., que no parece de aquí, interpreta los gráficos a su manera. Le parece que pronto vamos a ir bien. Vamos, NPI.

Balaji Viswanathan
Most of your charts show a stabilization of the fundamentals. The PMI charts show improvement and moving towards 50 (after which is indicates expansion). I think people were so afraid of a freefall that even a stabilization sounds like recovery. Also, major economies like Germany, Japan, China, India, Australia have recovered pretty much from last ... Read MoreSeptember lows, and this would have further effects on global consumption.

Regarding drop in construction & retail, I think that is healthy in the long term. It will eventually reduce the importance of these two overvalued sectors, and get the world to do more productive things.

La cosa parece que no le hace mucha gracia a Edward. Le explica a nuestro ingenuo amigo que aquí no funcionan las cosas com él se cree. Le comenta como la burbuja ha distorsionado de tal manera la estructura de precios, por lo que nos espera un largo sendero de deflación para poder llegar a exportar.


Edward Hugh
Balaji, most of your arguments are sensible enough, there is a stabilistaion towards a slow and steady decline, especially as you say in retail and construction. The only sectors that can really hope to recover are industry, services (tourism), and agriculture (which I don't show here, but is obviously a potential growth area, especially soaking up... Read More some of the migrants who are surplus to requirements from construction.

But all of these activities will now need to be driven by exports, (especially with internal demand falling steadily as people pay down their debts) and this is where the true problem lies, since Spain's price structure has become horribly distorted by the bubble, and this is where the correction is needed to bring back competitiveness to exports, and generate that much needed current account surplus. But Spain cannot devalue, since it no longer has its own currency, so a long and hard road of deflation lies ahead.

Coge carrerilla y 3 minutos después sigue al ataque, explicándole sucintamente la espiral de debt-deflation en la que estamos empezado a entrar y que finalizará en una crisis financiera del estado en 2010 ó primeros de 2011.


Edward Hugh
Meanwhile, as Spain deflate employment is falling at an underlying trend rate of about 100,000 a month, and as wages and prices fall the bad debts simply mount up, which is what is leading to the problems in the banking sector.

None of this will change till we have export lead growth and a significant trade surplus, which is all at this point a ... Read Morelong way away. So the big danger is now that there is another financial crisis (this time in government finance) and the whole thing gets destabilised yet again. This is what I imagine will happen, sometime in 2010, or early 2011.

Nuestro amigo indio queda tan abrumado que se retira del debate. Después comenta otro que parece que sí que se entera. Resumiendo, ¿pero qué coj... vamos a vender fuera?


Paul Monahan
"export lead growth"?? what do we produce at a competitive price that we can export? not much apart from such niche products!!!!!

Esto parece que le gusta a Edward, y le dice que eso demuestra los disparates que hemos hecho estos años. Luego apunta que tenemos que pagar la deuda y que no cree que los alemanes nos permitan hacer default.



Edward Hugh
Well, this is the point Paul. This is a measure of how far wrong things have gone, and how long the road ahead actually is. There is no alternative now, the external debt has to be paid down, or Spain has to default, and I doubt the Germans who hold a large chunk of the debt will permit the latter.

Luego comenta otro, español (kierevelos??), que también vive en los mundos de yuppie, y que cree que somos unos fieras que en cuatro días salimos, como campeones.


Fernando Blanco Mourenza
As far as I know Spain exports things: there is a number in the trade account for that item, maybe not as big as desired. And there is also the tourism . Wages are decreasing as a direct consequence from unemployment, so the costs are going down. No need for internal devaluation.

Edward demuestra su temple y le explica con infinita paciencia que las cosas han ido demasiado lejos para corregirse así, que el déficit se ha reducido simplemente porque ha bajado el consumo interno y que si seguimos así el paro seguirá aumentando hasta que lleguemos a un punto de ruptura en que quiebre todo el sistema financiero. Y le explica que no existe otro camino, sea en el país que sea.


Edward Hugh
Unfortunately Fernando the trade deficit is just way to big for this. The CA balance is only improving because imports are falling, and along with them living standards.

Without internal devaluation unemployment will simply continue to rise at 100,00 a month, or whatever till we reach 6, 7, or 8 million - wherever the breaking point is. After that ... Read Morethe banks will simply melt with all the bad loans that will pile up.

I know you think you are arguing for the best for your country, but really, the longer we put off the inevitable the worse it will be in the end. There is no other way, after the substantial price distortion Spain has suffered. Structural corrections are just like this, in every country where they happen.

Luego sigo que todavía hay más.
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Puesto que este es el hilo oficial, posteo aquí el nuevo artículo de Edward Hugh. Mis disculpas si ya se ha posteado en otro sitio.

There Is Another Shoe To Drop In The Global Economic and Financial Crisis - And The Focus Will Be On Europe’s Perifery
by Edward Hugh

‘As far as I am concerned, this is … the most complex crisis we’ve ever seen due to the number of factors in play’
Spanish Economy Minister Pedro Solbes speaking to the Spanish radio station Punto Radio September 2008

“‘The global imbalances have to add up to zero and so, if the US is going to be less the consumer importer of last resort, then other countries are going to need to be in different positions as well.”
Director of the US president’s National Economic Council Larry Summers, speaking over lunch with the FT’s Chrystia Freeland.

Basically what we now have before us - as Pedro Solbes pointed out before being uncerimoniously defenestrated from the inner circle of the Spanish government - is an extremely complex situation and problem set. The background has evidentally been an unprecedented global financial and economic crisis, but this crisis has affected countries unequally, and it is noteworthy just how many people in what could be called the “weaker” countries have often sought refuge in the global nature of the crisis, rather than asking themselves just what it is exactly about their own particular economy that makes them “weaker”, and more vulnerable, and why the crisis has struck more severely “here” rather than “there”. Thus there is a great danger that people take refuge in the fact that the crisis is global in order to avoid thinking about the actual reality that faces them. This danger becomes even more of an issue as some countries begin timidly to return to growth, leaving others stuck in the mire - and possibly in danger of bringing the whole pack of cards tumbling down on top of them again. One such danger is evident in China (for which see the numerous warnings from Andy Xie) but others are for me somewhat nearer home, on Europe’s periphery. A number of countries in Eastern Europe immediately come to mind - not only the Baltics, but also Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Serbia and Croatia. And in Southern Europe Spain and Greece stand out as in particular need of what Jean Claude Trichet would undoubtedly call “extreme vigilance”.

If we leave out Russia (which is arguably a rather special case due to its dependence on energy revenue), then the simple fact of the matter is that what all of these countries had in common during the bubble years was that they were all running large (unrealistically large) current account deficits, which were produced to fuel strong credit driven housing and consumption booms. The crisis has struck all these countries like a shot of lightening for the simple reason that under present conditions such current account deficits are now no longer sustainable.

Now, the only way forward for such countries, as Paul Krugman points out (citing Reinhardt and Rogoff) is to export their way back to growth, and to demonstrate how this might work Krugman produced a simple chart in his Lionel Robbins lectures, which although rather rough and ready does serve the purpose adequately well.

So the central point I wish to make is that all these countries now need to run current account and trade surpluses to generate headline economic growth and to start paying down the external debt they accumulated during the heady years of the boom. Countries are no different to households in this sense. And the wider the current account deficit at the height of the boom, the bigger the correction needed. Without the much needed correction these countries simply will not recover, and we will see the famous “L” shaped recovery. If people think otherwise they are simply deluding themselves.

The situation in the US and the UK is, of course, not that different structurally from that which is to be found in some parts of Eastern and Southern Europe, but it is less extreme, in that the Current Account deficit peaked at between 5% & 6% of GDP. This is still large, and correcting it is going to be one of the very good reasons that the global economiy ISN’T going to return to any kind of strong growth anytime soon, given the strategic importance of the economies concerned.

The UK and the US do, however, have one large and significant advantage over the worst affected countries in South and East of Europe, and this lies in the fact they can issue debt in their own currency, and they can allow that currency to devalue, and that in fact is the road that both these countries are now going down. But remember, the result of this is that US and UK consumers will now play little part in facilitating headline growth in the global economy, since they themselves will now be net savers. But most of the worst affected East European economies are either locked-into currency pegs with the euro (the Baltics and Bulgaria), or cannot devalue very far due to the strong dependence on forex loans (Romania and Hungary) or both. Nor can these countries realistically expect to issue debt in their own currencies. So they are in effect in a very parlous situation, on financial life support from the EU and the IMF, while unable to make sufficient adjustments sufficiently quickly to stop unemployment rising out of hand, and non performing loans piling up in the banking sector.

Which brings us to Southern Europe. Italy is a case apart - since it is “simply” suffering from a kind of ageing-related terminal slow death “Venice style”, and thus has a different problem set - in particular, while the Italian government is heavily in debt, Italian households are strong net savers, and thus any eventual default would be largely a “home team” issue. Portugal, Greece and Spain, on the other hand, were all running large CA deficits between 2000 and 2008, and these are deficits are now being forceably closed. But of course, and here comes the rub, these countries don’t have their own currency - they have to issue debt in euros, and they can’t simply fuel inflation (like they did in the past) since they can’t print money, only the ECB can do that, and the ECB is a multi-national not a national institution.

Now people over at the ECB are well aware of this problem, and the bank is facilitating all the liquidity these countries need in the short term, but it is so very important important to understand this only aids liquidity, it does not resolve the solvency-related issues (which the individulal countries have to sort out for themselves) and in fact the short term palliative only adds to long term accumulated debt problem if the breathing space offered is not taken advantage of. And, here comes the problem, since all the available evidence suggests that the correction the ECB would like to be funding is either not taking place, or is taking place too slowly to be of much use. That is, the ECB has the funding capacity, but it does not have the necessary political clout.

Take Spain for example - Spain’s external debt is continuing to rising even as I write, while at the same time GDP is falling, and will continue to fall untill we get back to export competitiveness. Worse, nominal GDP (that is current price GDP) is now falling faster than real (inflation-adjusted) GDP, so the value of the debt remains - in money terms - where it is, while GDP shrinks in relation to this absolute reference point - both in real terms, and even more so in nominal terms. I have been following this problem in Japan for the best part of a decade now, and the solution is evidently not an easy one, since - if you take the core core price index - Japan never really came out of deflation after 1998, and land prices are now back at the levels of somewhere in the early 1980s. Needless to say, if this repeats itself in Spain, the mess will not be a pretty one, and the problem for the ENTIRE global financial system will be substantial, due to the counterparty risk element.

So we are really caught on the horns of a dilema here, Spain and other EU periphery countries have to deflate (willingly or unwillingly, they need to carry out what has now come to be known as “internal devaluation”) but so long as they fail to do this and to attract sufficient investment for new export industries to turn the economic dynamic around AND as long the rest of the global economy doesn’t recover strongly enough with some countries starting to shoulder significant deficits again, then we are all only going to plumb the bottom. Worse, unemployment will continue to mount, and bad debts pressurise the banking system, which is where the next shoe might then not only drop, but be forced right off the foot first.

The only way in which it would be possible for these countries to attract the necessary investment to be able to start to create employment employment again would be to restore competitiveness, and over the time horizon we should be thinking about this is impossible for them to do via productivity improvements alone: hence the pressing urgency for the “internal devaluation” solution.

And let’s not be fooling ourselves here - the main reason those famous government bond “spreads” have all tightened so impressively recently has been the willingness of the ECB to discount the national government bonds which are first purchased by local financial entities and then passed on for discounting at the ECB - a practice one of my Spanish friends calls the “truco del almendruco” (that is, you sell the 10,000 euro new car for 9,995 euros thus changing the key headline digit, giving everyone the impression there has been a large and significant discount, and, oh yes, first of all you need to dump a wheelbarrow load of cash on the banks - in this case on a one year financing basis).

“Between October 2008 and April 2009 MFIs’ net purchases of debt securities issued by the euro area general government sector totalled €217 billion in the context of rapidly declining short-term interest rates. This entirely reversed the net sales of €191 billion observed between December 2005 and September 2008 in the context of rising short-term interest rates.”
ECB Monthly Bulletin, June 2009

So what I am saying is that the ECB is effectively conducting expansionary fiscal policy in the Eurozone countries - by buying a large part of the new government debt, a state of affairs which is in fact equivalent to conducting Quantitative Easing via the back door, while the EU/IMF tandem is offering similar support to the key countries in the East. Anatole Kaletsky made a similar point in the Times back in June, when the ECB announced its €442 billion of new cash into the euro money markets in what was the biggest long-term lending operation in the history of central banking and roughly equivalent to half the Fed’s entire monetary expansion in the past 18 months.

The Fed has “monetised” roughly $1 trillion of US Government debt since 2007, if we combine its Treasury and agency bond buying. Meanwhile, the ECB has lent $1.5 trillion to the euro-area banks. But what have the euroland banks done with this new money? They have lent most of it straight to their governments. Indeed, the governments in Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Spain and Austria would long-since have gone bust had it not been for the willingness of the commercial banks in these struggling economies to buy unlimited quantities of government bonds with money borrowed from the ECB. And these bond purchases have, in turn, been used as collateral for more ECB borrowings, which could be used to buy more government bonds.

In effect, therefore, the ECB has been lending money by the shed-load to governments, with commercial banks acting merely as a fig leaf for what would otherwise be seen as a blatant monetisation of the most insolvent European countries’ public debt.

Now Anatole only has it half right here, the objective is not to finance dubious government debt in semi-bankrupt countries (Italy, for example), but to enbale those countries who had been running extraordinarily large current account deficits (Spain, Greece and Portugal) to close the deficits gradually (ie without precipitating a dramatic implosion in their economies) by facilitating government borrowing to fill the gap left by domestic and corporate deleveraging. The situation I am trying to describe is perhaps best illustrated by the following chart on Financial Balances prepared by PNB Paribas Chief European Economist Dominic Bryant for a recent research report on Spain.

As households and companies desperately try to save, to put some sort of order back into their balance sheets, government steps in (Krugman’s push button “G”) to help ease the transition. Such a policy is, of course, all well and good and totally justified (since there is effectively no alternative), so long as the structural transition which such support is meant to facilitate is actually carried through. And this is a big if, especially since most of the evidence we have seen to date suggests it isn’t.

And then there is the Irish case, and the proposal to create a “bad bank” (NAMA). According to Minister of Finance Brian Lenihan the Irish State plan to buy up toxic property loans with a current face value of €60 billion and investment property loans with a book value of €30 billion, all in exchange for Government bonds. And how will the Irish government finance a possible €90 billion (or two thirds of 2008 GDP) in bonds? We the government plans to pay the banks in bonds which they can then redeem for cash over at the ECB. Obviosuly there is little other way, with such a high proportion of GDP, but has anyone started to think what will happen if the Spanish exchequer is faced with an equivalent proportional sum to clean up bad loans in Spanish banks. Spain, remember is the only major country where there was a property bubble where the banks have not had a substantial capital injection.

And in my humble opinion the ECB will only be willing and able to continue with this kind of policy for a limited period of time, since they will not be in a position to keep accumulating Irish, Austrian and Southern European bonds ad infinitum, and the sovereign governments won’t be able to keep increasing their debt load for ever. Just look, for example at the kind of dynamic Spanish public finances have entered in 2009 (see the acceleration in the cash basis deficit shown for 2009 in the chart below - the evolution is almost exponential, and it still hasn’t stopped the haemorrage of jobs out of the economy).

We also need to think about the risk the ECB is running of accumulating substantial capital losses if there is a sovereign debt problem (which there most likely will be at some point if the correction is not carried out) in one of the member states as the size of the ECB position simply grows by the day, and ultimately the German and French taxpayers will have to pay the losses being steadily accumulated, something I feel they will be very reluctant if those in the worst case scenario countries continue to harp on about a global economic and financial crisis whilst effectively doing nothing to put their own house in order.

Precisely this point was raised a while back by Willem Buiter on his Mavercon Blog:

The first vacuum is that there is no single fiscal authority, facility or arrangement which can re-capitalise the ECB/Eurosystem when the Eurosystem makes capital losses that threaten its capacity to implement its price stability and financial stability mandates.

The second related vacuum is that there is no single fiscal authority, facility or arrangement which can re-capitalise systemically important border-crossing financial institutions in the EU or the Euro Area, or provide them with other forms of financial support.

When the Bank of England develops an unsustainable hole in its balance sheet, Mervyn King knows he only needs to call one person: Alistair Darling, the UK Chancellor of the Exchequer. If the Fed were to become dangerously decapitalised, Ben Bernanke also needs to call just one person: Tim Geithner , the US Secretary of the Treasury. It is possible that no-one in the US Treasury will pick up the phone, as none of the senior political appointments below Geithner are in place yet, but Geithner clearly would be the man to call.

Whom does Jean-Claude Trichet call if the Eurosystem experiences a mission-threatening and mandate-threatening capital loss? Does he have to make 16 phone calls, one to each of the ministers of finance of the 16 Euro Area member states? Or 27 phone calls, one to each of the ministers of finance of the 27 EU member states whose NCBs are the shareholders of the ECB? I don’t know the answer, and I doubt whether Mr. Trichet does.

Maybe one day all those phones will be ringing, only for the caller to hear that old Elvis automated operator resonse - “no such number, no such zone”.

The G20 Needs A Real Rethink And A New Plan

So, coming back to where we started, growth in Germany and France. Such growth is unlikely to be anything like as strong as most commentators and analysts seem to be expecting. France will most likely do rather better than Germany, given that the German economy can’t really move forward till other key economies move, due to export dependence. The German economy may well even ultimately contract over 2009 as a whole by more than the Spanish economy, and I expect Germany’s problems (like Japan’s) to continue well into 2010, simply because both these countries are now very high median age societies which are completely dependent on exports to grow - which means that now that the UK, US, Eastern and Southern Europe are no longer running current account deficits, Germany and Japan are very hard pressed to get the level of trade surplus they so badly need for achieving sustainable headling GDP growth, which brings us back to Krugman’s joke about which planet is going to do the importing?

Structurally the previous drivers of growth will now fail to work, since as Krugman suggests, all the former CA surplus countries now need to export and run trade surpluses to grow and straighten out their financial imbalances , and it is not clear which countries can buy all the added output, especially when countries in general are still reducing imports, and certainly not about to open up deficits which would soak up all those new surpluses.

Essentially, I would close by emphasising that I am not a complete catastrophist, since I think there is a mid term solution out there - and that the answer lies in steadily unwinding the global demographic and wealth imbalances, through the economic development of a number of key emerging economies - in a way which would perhaps be similar to the implementation of the Marshall Plan which is what really brought the first great global depression to an end.

The problem is that I think we are still some years away from being able to get any sort of agreement on such a programme - as everyone will have noted the G20 isn’t really talking about this yet, although I think they eventually will. In the meantime we all have to stagger forward. And it is the risk of further “events” occuring in countries like Latvia and Spain that make all this staggering onwards and downwards ever so dangerous. In all the key countries involved - the Baltics, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary in the East, and Portugal, Greece and Spain in the South - government support is simply not sufficient to arrest the contraction in Krugman terminology simply hitting the “G” button will not work, and these economies are steadily “imploding” in on themselves, with the result, as I keep stressing, that unemployment inexorably rises, and bad debts simply mount up in the banking system, and if nothing is done to change course the outcome is surely a foregone conclusion.

The principal difference between the East and the South is that in the East governments no longer have the capacity to continue to sustain large deficits, while in the South they continue to be able to do so, though even here they cannot hold out indefinitely. Sometime in late 2010 or early 2011 all of this will, with a horrid and almost deterministic inevitability, all come to a head.

And this is why, I personally take the view that the global financial and economic crisis is far from over. There is another stage yet to come, and the focus of the problem will be Southern and Eastern Europe.

There Is Another Shoe To Drop In The Global Economic and Financial Crisis - And The Focus Will Be On Europe’s Perifery | afoe | A Fistful of Euros | European Opinion
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Es un tío competente, profesional y muy prudente, un economista empirico de los de la vieja escuela inglesa: todos sus juicios los basa en datos.

Eso sí, la ha cagado con lo de los bonos europeos emitidos por el BCE para acudir al rescate de paises como Espana. NI lo han hecho recibiendo la presión farolera de Irlanda, ni lo van a hacer porque no son la Reserva Federal para inyectar pasta en los Estados victimas de un shock asimétrico.

EN los últimos posts, parece que se ha caído del guindo, como dice Juancarlosb, y ya no ve ninguna opción para rescatar a Espana del desastre que le espera. Que un tío prudente como este nos coloque sin problema un 30% de paro para diciembre de 2010, da una idea de como va la cosa.

Totalmente necesario, de los pocos tíos serios a tener en cuenta.
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Basically what we now have before us - as Pedro Solbes pointed out before being uncerimoniously defenestrated from the inner circle of the Spanish government -

Malinterpretación grave de la situación aquel entonces:

Se fue, o mejor dicho, puso un últimatum sobre la mesa:

Hasta aquí gasto yo.

Y ha tenido la decencía de verificar sus palabras.

Por desgracía de todos nosotros.

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Basically what we now have before us - as Pedro Solbes pointed out before being uncerimoniously defenestrated from the inner circle of the Spanish government -

Malinterpretación grave de la situación aquel entonces:

Se fue, o mejor dicho, puso un últimatum sobre la mesa:

Hasta aquí gasto yo.

Y ha tenido la decencía de verificar sus palabras.

Por desgracía de todos nosotros.

PD:

Gran idea, Juanca

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Resaltar lo más importante de los tochos.

Sí, lo de resaltar es buena idea, además tengo pensado ir haciendo un resumen cuando tenga tiempo para darle más difusión.
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Sí, lo de resaltar es buena idea, además tengo pensado ir haciendo un resumen cuando tenga tiempo para darle más difusión.




Va ser un autentico pelmazo...
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Va ser un autentico pelmazo...

"Pos a aguantarse", que como no eres moderador no me puedes banear.
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Es un tío competente, profesional y muy prudente, un economista empirico de los de la vieja escuela inglesa: todos sus juicios los basa en datos.

Eso sí, la ha cagado con lo de los bonos europeos emitidos por el BCE para acudir al rescate de paises como Espana. NI lo han hecho recibiendo la presión farolera de Irlanda, ni lo van a hacer porque no son la Reserva Federal para inyectar pasta en los Estados victimas de un shock asimétrico.

EN los últimos posts, parece que se ha caído del guindo, como dice Juancarlosb, y ya no ve ninguna opción para rescatar a Espana del desastre que le espera. Que un tío prudente como este nos coloque sin problema un 30% de paro para diciembre de 2010, da una idea de como va la cosa.

Totalmente necesario, de los pocos tíos serios a tener en cuenta.

Para el caso, prácticamente es lo mismo emitir bonos europeos, que darles a los bancos españoles toda la pasta que haga falta, para que éstos a su vez compren la deuda española que el tesoro emite a manos llenas. Esto de hecho es lo que está sucediendo y donde él hace hincapié precisamente, en que puede ser un peligro para el propio BCE si más adelante uno de esos paises entra en default. Al pobrecito BCE le pasaría algo parecido a lo que le ocurre a China con sus reservas en dolares, pero en vez de dólares en ese caso el BCE tendría bonos sin valor como para empapelar Groenlandia. ¿Te imaginas al BCE acudiendo al FMI?. La leche.

Y además, el sistema que están utilizando actualmente para enchufar liquidez a los estados y bancos "sedientos", es mucho más discreto que emitir bonos europeos directamente para luego prestarselo a los "necesitados". Lo de los bonos europeos, me da a mi que va a ser que a los alemanes y franchutes no les mola ni un pelo, puesto que esa nueva deuda supranacional sería competencia directa de sus propios bonos, lo que haría a su vez que su propia financiación les resultase más cara, por poco necesaria que pueda ser en este momento, debido a sus superavits en la balanza comercial.

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"Pos a aguantarse", que como no eres moderador no me puedes banear.

Hemos aguantado cosas peores.

Así, por mí no vas a tener tal suerte.

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