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Dice una inmigrante boliviana, trabajadora del ayuntamiento de Madrid, al despedir a un primo de vuelta al terruño allende los mares: "Nosotros, al menos, tenemos un Plan B. Podemos volver a casa, pero los españoles...¿qué pueden hacer ellos?"


As Jobs Die, Europe’s Migrants Head for Home

By RACHEL DONADIO and NELSON D. SCHWARTZ

ALCALÁ de HENARES, Spain — Six years after the Spanish construction boom lured him here from his native Romania, Constantin Marius Craiova is going home, another victim of the bust that is reversing the human tide that has transformed Europe in the past decade.

“Everyone says in Romania there’s no work,” Mr. Craiova, 30, said with a touch of bravado as he lifted his mirrored Ray-Bans onto his forehead. “If there are 26 million people there, they have to do something. I want to see for myself.”

Mr. Craiova, who is planning to return to Romania next month, is one of millions of immigrants from Eastern Europe, Latin America and Africa who have flocked to fast-growing places like Spain, Ireland and Britain in the past decade, drawn by low unemployment and liberal immigration policies.

But in a marked sign of how quickly the economies of Western Europe have deteriorated, workers like Mr. Craiova are now heading home, hoping to find better job prospects, or at least lower costs of living, in their native lands.

In many ways, this is what the European Union was meant to be, a zone where workers could move freely in search of jobs. But as the economic crisis deepens, fault lines are emerging across the Continent, where borders may be porous but national identities remain fixed.

Indeed, while all workers are theoretically equal under European rules, some may be more equal than others as national, or even local, concerns come to the fore.

Consider Ireland’s capital, which earned the nickname Dublinski as roughly 180,000 Poles, Czechs and other Eastern Europeans went there in search of work after the European Union expanded in 2004. Now, a stunning rise in the unemployment rate, currently 10.4 percent, is making even the most recent arrivals rethink their plans.

“Since 2000, there has been a resurgence of intra-European migration,” said Rainer Münz, a migration scholar who is head of research and development at Erste Bank in Vienna. “To a certain extent, that’s clearly unwinding now.”

Between April 2008 and the end of this month, as many as 50,000 workers are likely to have returned home from Ireland, mostly to Eastern Europe, according to Alan Barrett of the Economic and Social Research Institute in Dublin.

“Things have changed quickly,” said Monica Jelinkova, 25, who moved to Dublin from the Czech Republic 18 months ago. “I used to know 15 people here. Now there are only four friends left.”

While unemployment is also rising in the Czech Republic, “it is much easier to be at home with family and with friends and not to have a job,” she said, “than to be here and not to have a job.”

Until very recently, countries like Spain, Ireland and Italy were nations of emigrants, not immigrants.

That changed in the decade-long expansion that began in the late 1990s. In Spain, where the growth has been the most explosive, the foreign population rose to 5.2 million last year out of a total of 45 million people from 750,000 in 1999, according to the National Statistics Institute. Ireland’s population, now 4.1 million, was also transformed, with the percentage of foreign-born residents rising to 11 percent in 2006 from 7 percent in 2002.

“In the U.S., it took generations to build up a foreign-born population of that size,” said Demetrios Papademetriou, head of the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington. “These countries have done it at an unprecedented rate, but the society and institutions haven’t even begun to have a chance to catch up.”

Alcalá, a Madrid bedroom community and the birthplace of Miguel de Cervantes, is home to so many Romanian immigrants — 20,000 by some estimates — that Romania’s president, Traian Basescu, campaigned here for parliamentary elections last fall.

But signs of the reverse migration of Romanians are already evident. “Slowly, slowly, they’re disappearing,” said Gheorghe Gainar, the president of a Romanian cultural association in Alcalá. “When you look for them, you don’t find them. Sometimes you ask a relative, and they say they’ve gone back.”

The reverse exodus from more prosperous countries in Western Europe is likely to add to the economic pressures already buffeting Central and Eastern Europe, where migrants from developing countries are in turn being encouraged to leave.

The Czech government announced in February that it would pay 500 euros, or about $660, and provide one-way plane tickets to each foreigner who has lost his job and wants to go home.

And in Bucharest, Romania’s capital, workers from China have been camped out in freezing weather in front of the Chinese Embassy for two months, essentially stranded after their construction jobs disappeared.

Like the Czech Republic, Spain is offering financial incentives to leave. A new program aimed at legal immigrants from South America allows them to take their unemployment payments in a lump sum if they agree to leave and not return for at least three years. The Spanish government says only around 3,000 people have taken advantage of the plan, but many others are leaving of their own accord.

Airlines in Spain are offering deals on one-way tickets to Latin America, and they say demand has increased significantly. Every day, Barajas airport in Madrid is the setting for emotional departures, as families send their jobless loved ones back home.

Citizens of European Union countries, like Mr. Craiova, are not eligible for the incentive plan for Latin American migrants, but they are finding other creative solutions to their predicament.

Like many other Romanians leaving Spain, Mr. Craiova said he planned to take the unemployment money he was owed by the Spanish government back to Romania, where it will go further. He needs only to return to Spain every three months to sign for it. His Peruvian wife, with their children, will follow him to Romania once he finds work.

Regardless of their fate, many immigrants realize that economic circumstances are squeezing locals, too. On a recent weekday evening, Juan and Miriam Garnica, Bolivians who are legal residents in Spain, were sending off Juan’s cousin, who had not found enough work in the fields to stay the three years required to establish residency.

The cousin, Sandro Garnica, 36, looked despondent as he held two backpacks and a new digital camera. But Ms. Garnica, 35, a worker for the Madrid city government, was philosophical.

“We have a plan B,” she said. “At least we can go back to our home. But the Spanish? What do they do?”

Rachel Donadio reported from Alcalá de Henares, Madrid and Rome, and Nelson D. Schwartz from Paris and Vienna. Eamon Quinn contributed reporting from Dublin, and Davin Ellicson from Bucharest, Romania.


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Joder ......y que mas descubriste, la tortilla de patatas.....
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Qué tiempos aquellos:



España necesita 157.000 inmigrantes al año pese desaceleración, según informe




http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria...migrantes.html








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In Spain, where the growth has been the most explosive, the foreign population rose to 5.2 million last year out of a total of 45 million people from 750,000 in 1999

In the U.S., it took generations to build up a foreign-born population of that size,” said Demetrios Papademetriou, head of the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington. “These countries have done it at an unprecedented rate, but the society and institutions haven’t even begun to have a chance to catch up.”

Lo que ha ocurrido aquí ha sido demencial. Y no creo que nadie en su sano juicio piense lo contrario (lo que se diga es otra cosa, por la corrección política y tal; pero pensarlo lo pensamos todos)


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Like many other Romanians leaving Spain, Mr. Craiova said he planned to take the unemployment money he was owed by the Spanish government back to Romania, where it will go further. He needs only to return to Spain every three months to sign for it. His Peruvian wife, with their children, will follow him to Romania once he finds work.

Mira que somos "desprendidos", recordar que el sistema de protección por desempleo es un sistema solidario en el que se pueden cobrar esas cantidades porque se asume que por cada parado habrá X que van a seguir cotizando y no lo cobrarán...
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Hay muchísimos inmigrantes con un un plan B y un plan C.
Plan B: Volver a casa
Plan C: Cuando los españoles arreglen el desaguisado en X años vuelven para España con su pasaporte español, que todos los sudamericanos con 2 años de residencia pueden obtener por cero euros.
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Lo que alucino es que Andalucía tenga mas de un 20% de paro y para el trabajo que hay (recogida de la fresa, agricultura, ...) tienen que contratar extranjeros. Esto se irá acabando cuando no se puedan pagar el paro o el per y o trabajas o te mueres de hambre


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No sé si alguien vió el telediario de la 1 ayer a las 3: hablaban de la campaña electoral en Ecuador y sacaron al jefe de la oposición que aspiraba a ser el nuevo presidente de este país centroamericano diciendo muy serio y cariacontecido a la cámara: "Si vuelven los 50.000 ecuatorianos (*en realidad hay 500.000 ecuatorianos aquí) que están en España a Ecuador, crearán un problema muy grave a este país."

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Lo que alucino es que Andalucía tenga mas de un 20% de paro y para el trabajo que hay (recogida de la fresa, agricultura, ...) tienen que contratar extranjeros. Esto se irá acabando cuando no se puedan pagar el paro o el per y o trabajas o te mueres de hambre

Los contratos en origen se deberían suspender, ya, este fin de semana. No se hace un contrato mas en origen para nada durante la crisis. Y para recoger la fresa se tira de parados. El que no quiere ir, se queda sin prestación.
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Lo que alucino es que Andalucía tenga mas de un 20% de paro y para el trabajo que hay (recogida de la fresa, agricultura, ...) tienen que contratar extranjeros. Esto se irá acabando cuando no se puedan pagar el paro o el per y o trabajas o te mueres de hambre


Esto ya esta cambiando, en la fresa y en la aceituna, se vio a muchos nacionales.

Y hablando de aceitunas:

Hace 2 o 3 años, el precio de la compra de la aceituna estaba muy bajo. Y habia una pila de olivos con la aceituna cayendose al suelo.

Este invierno no habia ni un olivo sin peinar.

Siendo el precio de compra bajisimo.

Idem pasa con la chatarra.

Algo si hay moviendose, aunque a una base muy baja...
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